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Official JVC RS4500/Z1 Owner's Thread

Since there doesn't appear to be an actual thread for owner's of this projector. I thought it would be a good idea to create a thread for those that currently own one or are expecting one soon.
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I'm hoping to receive mine by the end of the week. Stay tuned !

That's great Craig. Please post your impressions here. I plan to do the same. Looking forward to it!
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Great idea. I have always owned a JVC projector going all the way back to DILA G11, what 15 years ago (has it been that long?) and I hope this would bring even more relevant and meaningful posts from video experts to Ultra forum.

And I must post since it's a pleasure to beat @Seegs108 to an important JVC thread . Kidding aside, I enjoy reading his great input.

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Great idea. I have always owned a JVC projector going all the way back to DILA G11, what 15 years ago (has it been that long?) and I hope this would bring even more relevant and meaningful posts from video experts to Ultra forum.

And I must post since it's a pleasure to beat @Seegs108 to an important JVC thread . Kidding aside, I enjoy reading his great input.
To be fair, I've never been the first one to receive any JVC projector, so it's no wonder you guys beat me here. Also, I have no intention of buying an RS4500. Never have.
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At this stage, not certain how long I'm going to remain an owner with the Z1 so far not stacking up to what most of us anticipated it would be for the price. Can't see any miraculous software update to get around the shortcomings that's for sure.
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At this stage, not certain how long I'm going to remain an owner with the Z1 so far not stacking up to what most of us anticipated it would be for the price. Can't see any miraculous software update to get around the shortcomings that's for sure.
Hey OZ. You have yours on hand already?

Actually, never mind. I recall some of your comments. Other than the measurements you were asked to provide, you seemed satisfied with the image. Personally, I'm not buying into the measurements that are being posted until I see some professional feedback from members I feel will provide reliable, non biased feedback and test results. Kris Deering being an example. He's currently working on thorough review and will be providing his feedback and test results soon I believe.

Measurements aside, what issues are you experiencing?

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Hey OZ. You have yours on hand already?

Actually, never mind. I recall some of your comments. Other than the measurements you were asked to provide, you seems satisfied with the image. Personally, I'm not buying into the measurements that are being posted until I see some professional feedback from members I feel will provide reliable, no biased feedback and test results. Kris Deering being an example.

Measurements aside, what issues are you experiencing?
The initial halo of having the unit so early in piece has faded quite a bit when I when I look at the issues of poor native contrast, dynamic dimming performing quite poorly compared to the VW5000, ridiculous level of light loss with the P3 filter (plus its total inaccuracy without calibration), the very significant noise level even in Mid laser. Really this projector is going to be extremely hard to justify for me having just taken down the RS600 I don't know all the guys who've reviewed the Z1/4500 that well, but apart from Kris, guys like Ekki I have total faith in what is reported here and on his review site.
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The initial halo of having the unit so early in piece has faded quite a bit when I when I look at the issues of poor native contrast, dynamic dimming performing quite poorly compared to the VW5000, ridiculous level of light loss with the P3 filter (plus its total inaccuracy without calibration), the very significant noise level even in Mid laser. Really this projector is going to be extremely hard to justify for me having just taken down the RS600 I don't know all the guys who've reviewed the Z1/4500 that well, but apart from Kris, guys like Ekki I have total faith in what is reported here and on his review site.
The noise level seems pretty odd and I've heard someone else mention that. I would consider talking to your dealer and maybe have another unit tested. It would be worth the effort to eliminate the possibility of a bad unit.. I'm expecting mine late next week and keeping faith. Like you, it's replacing the 1100.
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Official JVC RS4500/Z1 Owner's Thread

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At this stage, not certain how long I'm going to remain an owner with the Z1 so far not stacking up to what most of us anticipated it would be for the price. Can't see any miraculous software update to get around the shortcomings that's for sure.


Shame. I was in the process of getting estimates for timeline for getting a new Z1 in after reading your initial impressions. And then once the gloss of the new toy wore off, like you said, the hype fell like a tonne of bricks.

I've been told to get the 7500 and checking the price differential for the 9500.

I had one of the first RS60s and it has served me well for 6/7 years but chewing through bulbs really quickly - the second was also an original JVC. So on paper the Z1 seemed like a no brainer with a laser.

I'm wondering if I could use my old Optoma HD33 until the LS10500 arrives in Australia or if by some miracle the Z1 delivers a reasonable alternative to my 6 yr old DILA even calibrated I remember the RS60 was like 1000 lumens with 30-40k contrast. But that Optomas grey and manual lens with a fuzzy focus just doesn't seem anywhere as immersive as the razor sharp detail I got from the RS60.
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The noise level seems pretty odd and I've heard someone else mention that. I would consider talking to your dealer and maybe have another unit tested. It would be worth the effort to eliminate the possibility of a bad unit.. I'm expecting mine late next week and keeping faith. Like you, it's replacing the 1100.
It's very hard to do anything like compare units here considering I got one of 2 (apparently) that landed. Don't know the status of the other one, whether pre-sold or a demo unit with JVC. I believe the noise is as per what Ekki etc measured. It is summer here (and very hot) so I have to use A/C in the HT to avoid the unit going to higher fan mode by default. The fan noise is not a faulty type sound, just very noticeable after an 1100 and my X9000/RS600 that I've had for the last year. I'm interested to see what JVC delay to QC each unit finds if anything. Seems like a few US guys don't want to believe the feedback till someone there installs one and tests it.
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I have got my Z1 delivered very end of last year. Dealer told me that it is one of first seven units shipped from JVC domestically. Like some of you, I replaced Sony VW1100(which was upgraded from VW1000 I got in 2011) with Z1 and I have no regrets or anything. Z1 is far brighter than VW1100 and image is lot sharper(you can tell even from focusing screen), better color reproduction and easier calibration. Downside I can think of is fan noise and heat coming out from chassis, but it is not deal breaker at all.
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I have got my Z1 delivered very end of last year. Dealer told me that it is one of first seven units shipped from JVC domestically. Like some of you, I replaced Sony VW1100(which was upgraded from VW1000 I got in 2011) with Z1 and I have no regrets or anything. Z1 is far brighter than VW1100 and image is lot sharper(you can tell even from focusing screen), better color reproduction and easier calibration. Downside I can think of is fan noise and heat coming out from chassis, but it is not deal breaker at all.
Let me state this again as a few people seem to be reading into the fact I've still got my 1100 for sale. I'm coming from 2 JVC RS series, both I still own, an RS500 and 600, so the Z1 isn't referenced straight from my usage of the 1100. The 1100 has been out of my HT for nearly a year now after losing its spot to the RS600. So that in itself is very different frame of reference with respect to the Z1 and may have lead to a somewhat different POV/perspective. Having just returned from a few days away at my holiday property and viewing my RS500/X7000, I am even more inclined to say the Z1 isn't enough of an upgrade for the all promises and pitch that JVC put out about it. Also, again with the 600 as reference point its not far brighter, especially in P3 - its substantially worse and that's probably more the deal breaker for me as that was a big part of buying a laser projector. Rec.709 brightness is decent but again, the native contrast sacrifice is neither necessary or worthwhile. Ad to that comparisons already made by Cine4home on motion sharpness vs the X7000 and overall sharpness compared to the VW5000 and things just aren't all that rosy as many of us had anticipated with the Z1.
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I am even more inclined to say the Z1 isn't enough of an upgrade for the all promises and pitch that JVC put out about it.


1. Have you seen Z1 for yourself?
2. Given that some people cannot live with eShift 4K, what is your recommendation?
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I'm keeping my Z1 (replacing Sony 1000).

Given the, in some respects deserved, savaging it's getting on the other thread I probably should have returned it and stuck with the Sony for another year or so, but I'm so done with bulbs.

The Z1, for me, represents a few steps forward, a couple of steps backwards, but overall a big upgrade.

If time proves that Sony SXRD no longer degrades (and I think I've seen comments that suggest new models are already showing signs of problems), or JVC deliver a Z2 which gives us everything we wanted from the Z1 then I will happily jump across to whatever comes next, but until then I will enjoy the Z1.

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At this stage, not certain how long I'm going to remain an owner with the Z1 so far not stacking up to what most of us anticipated it would be for the price. Can't see any miraculous software update to get around the shortcomings that's for sure.
Going to stick with the RS600 or going back to VW5000 ? As I recall , you had a great price on the VW5000. It's the only show in town to light up a big screen , JVC will be a while sorting out these shortcomings .

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Let me state this again as a few people seem to be reading into the fact I've still got my 1100 for sale. I'm coming from 2 JVC RS series, both I still own, an RS500 and 600, so the Z1 isn't referenced straight from my usage of the 1100. The 1100 has been out of my HT for nearly a year now after losing its spot to the RS600. So that in itself is very different frame of reference with respect to the Z1 and may have lead to a somewhat different POV/perspective. Having just returned from a few days away at my holiday property and viewing my RS500/X7000, I am even more inclined to say the Z1 isn't enough of an upgrade for the all promises and pitch that JVC put out about it. Also, again with the 600 as reference point its not far brighter, especially in P3 - its substantially worse and that's probably more the deal breaker for me as that was a big part of buying a laser projector. Rec.709 brightness is decent but again, the native contrast sacrifice is neither necessary or worthwhile. Ad to that comparisons already made by Cine4home on motion sharpness vs the X7000 and overall sharpness compared to the VW5000 and things just aren't all that rosy as many of us had anticipated with the Z1.
I find this interesting that Ekki says specifically the "motion" sharpness is sharper on the X7000. The RS4500 was supposed to have the HP to process 4K with FI, this you would expect better than the X7000 series. The X7000 is not processing
4K worth of pixels which begs the next question. How does it pull off FI on 4K HDR material ? I can run 4K HDR on my RS600 projector and run FI . Must be down-scaling 4K to 1080 first obviously. Whatever it does do, is better than what is going
on with the RS4500 and that should not be if it were done adequately .
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So 127.2" wide ? What material ?

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So 127.2" wide ? What material ?
Correct. Seymour XD. Plan to test with Enlightor 4K material as well and compare.
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Correct. Seymour XD. Plan to test with Enlightor 4K material as well and compare.
So about 138" diagonal. Mine is 118" wide 2.35:1, StudioTek 130 G3 ( 128" diagonal ). I'm betting this projector totally shines on screens our size. 2400 lumens is not huge to begin with. I has a Sim Lumis on the same screens - 1200 - 3000 lumens supposedly. It was never too bright. The RS4500 at 2/3 power should be able to give me a great picture with the manual iris closed down for 16 foot lamberts, and laser dimming on, practically forever !

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1. Have you seen Z1 for yourself?
2. Given that some people cannot live with eShift 4K, what is your recommendation?
Sorry WHAT?? What part of my posts from just last in the other thread don't have me discussuing MY Z1 or even show it hanging in my HT? Or is that some kind of dig at me?

E-shift is more than fine, especially coming from the VW1100 - I A/B'd the 1100 vs RS600 with 4K Sony demo clips coming off a Sony FMP-X10 and the 1100 didn't walk away from the RS600, so I could no longer justify the resolution argument of native 4K in the Sony. For those who have issues with e-shift or should I say 'e-shift noise' that can be introduced, my advice is feed those projectors which use it a 4K signal, from an HTPC for example -mine would be used for a good 70-80% of normal viewing and presents a very pristine image. Otherwise don't utilise e-shift for native 1080p. Mind you I used it with high quality blurays(Force Awakens and Guardians of the Galaxy) the other night with my RS500 and had no issue with the results.

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Going to stick with the RS600 or going back to VW5000 ? As I recall , you had a great price on the VW5000. It's the only show in town to light up a big screen , JVC will be a while sorting out these shortcomings .
Not entirely sure at this stage. I may even consider the RS620 as that addresses my main concern with HDR on the 600.

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Sorry WHAT?? What part of my posts from just last in the other thread don't have me discussuing MY Z1 or even show it hanging in my HT? Or is that some kind of dig at me?

E-shift is more than fine, especially coming from the VW1100 - I A/B'd the 1100 vs RS600 with 4K Sony demo clips coming off a Sony FMP-X10 and the 1100 didn't walk away from the RS600, so I could no longer justify the resolution argument of native 4K in the Sony. For those who have issues with e-shift, my advice is feed those projectors which use it a 4K signal, from an HTPC for example -mine would be used for a good 70-80% of normal viewing and presents a very pristine image. Otherwise don't utilise e-shift for native 1080p. Mind you I used it with high quality blurays(Force Awakens and Guardians of the Galaxy) the other night with my RS500 and had no issue with the results.
I think its just a language barrier he probably didn't see it in the other thread.
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I think its just a language barrier he probably didn't see it in the other thread.
Did cross my mind re language. However, he was also pretty active in the other thread, so that's somewhat surprising, but not impossible of course.
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