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Sony VPL-VW885ES 4K HDR Laser Projector at CEDIA 2017

The Sony VPL-VW885ES is the company's latest high-end projector with true 4K resolution, HDR, and a laser-phosphor light engine.

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I still have a VPL-VW85 which has been professional ISF calibrated and I would love too take the leap into 4K but not at that price tag, seems the projector technology is lagging behind as most 4K Flat panels are very reasonable these days... I hope the trickle down technology comes sooner than later otherwise we will be into 8K by then... Then 4D Holodeck with smellovision!


I just did see this, which has me intrigued! Just not sure if the VW385ES has that much more specific features that one would use based off of a 3K price increase. It would be interesting if anyone had a chance to see all 3 in action.. As I am sure the Laser Projector will look nice, I suppose they don't have Dolby Vision yet...

Sony's New 4K Projectors
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Sony Electronics has just announced a major upgrade to its home theater projector line-up. Three new native 4K projectors, the VW285ES, the VW385ES, and the VW885ES, are being released at the CEDIA tradeshow in San Diego this week. All three of these 4K projectors share a common set of features as follows:

Sony's SXRD reflective technology in native 4096x2160 resolution.
HDR10 and Hybrid Log Gamma (HLG) formats
HDR Contrast adjustment allows user to adjust screen brightness for HDR content
Supports 4K HDR at 60p 10 Bit
TRILUMINOS color gamut with broader color range, reproducing more tones and textures than Rec709.
Reality Creation provides crisper picture while not sharpening picture noise
Powered 2.1x zoom and focus lens and powered vertical/horizontal lens shift.
Two HDMI ports, both with HDCP 2.2
Low 26 dB audible noise rating
Sony VW285ES and VW385ES 4K Projectors for Home Theater

Sony VW285ES and VS385ES
4K HDR Home Theater Projectors

The three models and their key differences are these:

Sony VW285ES ($4,999): The VW285ES drops the price of 4K projectors featuring chipsets with full native 4K resolution on the chips to under $5,000 for the first time. The VW285ES is built to deliver an immersive extremely high resolution 4K cinematic and gaming experience. It is rated at 1500 lumens and carries no published contrast rating. The light source is an ultra high pressure lamp with an estimated life of 6000 hours.

Sony VW285ES and VW385ES Connection Panel

Sony VW285ES / VW385ES Connection Panel
Sony VW385ES ($7,999): The mid-level VW385ES is a contrast enhanced version of the VW285ES, carrying a dynamic contrast rating of 200,000:1. It also adds two other key features: (1) Picture Position memory (automatic one-touch lens readjustment to accommodate different aspect ratios for Cinemascope constant-image-height installations), and (2) Built-in Auto Calibration to maintain color balance over time. Like the VW285ES, this model has an ultra high pressure lamp with an estimated life of 6000 hours.




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Sony VW885ES 4K Laser HDR
Home Theater Projector

Sony VW885ES 4K Home Theater Projector

Sony VW885ES ($24,999): The VW885ES replaces the high pressure lamps with a 20,000 hour laser illumination system. Dynamic Contrast is increased to "infinite" using real-time laser light level control. Brightness is boosted from 1500 to 2000 lumens. The VW885ES is a larger and heavier projector, weighing 44 lbs. compared to 31 lbs for the 285 and 385. It has a different cooling system with airflow exhausting out the rear of the unit to eliminate any possibility of heat exhaust affecting projected light. The VW885ES also introduces Motionflow (frame interpolation) for 4K signals, and it supports 18 Gbps on both HDMI/HDCP 2.2 inputs. It also adds a 4K vertical stretch mode for Anamorphic lens compatibility. Like the VW385ES it offers Picture Position memory and Built-in Auto color calibration.

Sony VW885ES connection panel

Sony VW885ES 4K Projector Connection Panel
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Love the laser, dis-like the price.
Yes, I realize Sony has to re-coup the R&D on the Laser engine ..... hopefully they improve yield and efficiency then adopt along more models, to reduce price .....

The "high end market can bear" $25k mindset has to change!
That's a early 2000's rationale, well the gap of technical difference are not so much to justify the price gap.
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Can it play my 3d movie collection? In other words does "a whole lot for the money" include 3D?
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Good thing we are all rich in the US and can afford the extra $10k for the exact same projector europe gets for $15k. WTF sony.
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Good thing we are all rich in the US and can afford the extra $10k for the exact same projector europe gets for $15k. WTF sony.

If Sony holds to 'SURE' pricing, ie no discounts from official dealers, then purchasing from a European dealer would be financially the better deal. Even if it needed to be returned for a warranty issue, unless that occurs several times, it would still work out to be a better deal.
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If Sony holds to 'SURE' pricing, ie no discounts from official dealers, then purchasing from a European dealer would be financially the better deal. Even if it needed to be returned for a warranty issue, unless that occurs several times, it would still work out to be a better deal.
Any reason why that wouldn't work? For that price difference, I would think everyone in the U.S. would do that.
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It looks like someone at Sony paid attention in Marketing 303 - Shearing The Sheep / Pricing.

I am disappointed but not surprised. And at a big time loss for what to do now. I will not go $25K. But I really want 18 GB HDMI, P3, FI, true 4K.
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It looks like someone at Sony paid attention in Marketing 303 - Shearing The Sheep / Pricing.

I am disappointed but not surprised. And at a big time loss for what to do now. I will not go $25K. But I really want 18 GB HDMI, P3, FI, true 4K.
I have the same dream brother .

However I'm just going to compromise on the true 4k as I think it's the least important. JVC hopefully has the rest covered with their new line. I'm waiting to hear about improvements to e-shift5 and reduction of banding with cmd (which I only occasionally use). They have a better lens than the sony and way higher contrast. Laser while nice is maybe with a grand or 2 to me tops. Pretty much the cost of replacement lamps for 5 years.

The good news is if the JVC works out it will likely be street @ half the cost of what the sony would have been @ 15k. So I'll take my savings and spend it on other toys.

I'm not a huge fan of JVC's software update practices, but Sony trumps that with sure pricing and ridiculously overpriced projectors.
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When oh when will the projector market get their stuff together. I'm sorry but if your still willing to spend $25K on a 4k projector well......more power to you. The price point comparison of Projectors to TV has never been larger. Curious to see what margin they are pulling on them?

85" 4k Monitor $2,500 vs (85" - 130") projected screen with lumen limitations $25,000...anyone else see the problem...lol
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If Sony holds to 'SURE' pricing, ie no discounts from official dealers, then purchasing from a European dealer would be financially the better deal. Even if it needed to be returned for a warranty issue, unless that occurs several times, it would still work out to be a better deal.
Clearly you have a entirely naive view of the legal lengths Sony will go to, to prevent this from happening. Sony will sue you personally for doing this.

Read it and weep. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06..._market_fight/

They have no problems suing over $200 PSP imports, so wait till you start eating at their $10k profit margin per unit here.

I'm talking feral packs of New York ambulance chasers comin' at ya boys!!! Good luck!
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Clearly you have a entirely naive view of the legal lengths Sony will go to, to prevent this from happening. Sony will sue you personally for doing this.

Read it and weep. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06..._market_fight/

They have no problems suing over $200 PSP imports, so wait till you start eating at their $10k profit margin per unit here.

I'm talking feral packs of New York ambulance chasers comin' at ya boys!!! Good luck!
I am sorry but what you are referring to here is something completely different, this is about resellers that where importing stuff in an illegal way to then resell them in their country. It has nothing to do with a consumer buying an official product in another country, notting illegal about that. You are entitle to buy a product anywhere you want.
If a US reseller or distributer would import this from another country and then resell it in his own country with a lower price, that would be a big no no, but thats not what he means .
Now for the record, I do not encourage to do this, everyone has the right to earn his money, American resellers can't help the fact that this unit is priced higher then in Europe. To be honest, most times it is just the opposite, if we see what the price of an Oppo in the US is compared to Europe, then we are the ones that are screwed :-)
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Whoa, I just noticed in your 'Current' equipment list....how do you even choose which display to watch, or do you have a schedule, like Monday is the Sony Oled, etc, if so, which night will be the VW885??
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Can it play my 3d movie collection? In other words does "a whole lot for the money" include 3D?
Yes, includes 3D via RF transmitter.
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Whoa, I just noticed in your 'Current' equipment list....how do you even choose which display to watch, or do you have a schedule, like Monday is the Sony Oled, etc, if so, which night will be the VW885??
Thanks.. its all on mood and content...each thing has its content handling specialties...

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I had been waiting to see new projectors from Sony, Epson, and JVC before deciding between the JVC RS420 and RS520. Laser is great but the price sure as hell isn't so I've crossed the Sony VPL-VW885ES off my list.
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Love that its laser and 3D but at a specd 2,000 lumens that would seem to0 low to do HDR properly on a biggish screen for that kinda cash. Wowzers. This is $10,000 territory IMHO.

Heck my lamp based Sony 40ES is specd at 1700 lumens and can just pull off 3D on a .8 gain AT 125" diagonal screen. Although my prior pj was a Ben-Q W7000 and with a lumen spec of 2,000, is not as bright as the Sony after calibration; both with new bulbs. So no matter the price new model releases like this always perk my interest. Im looking forward to a formal review and/or some testimony.

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Any word on color gamut? I mean for the price and using lasers you'd imagine we would be talking 85%+ Rec 2020, though something tells me that won't be the case.

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This is the $20,000+ Forum, isn't it? Lots of (I was going to say tedious, but thought better of it) comments about who can't afford it, and know-it-all piling on about Sony's oh-so-obvious marketing and business ineptitude, but it seems no one has told us about what the projector actually looks like. Have you not actually seen it?

Well, the fact is, it looks very, very good. It had no problem lighting up what I think was a 165-inch screen, so it obviously has very good perceived brightness. The color depth was excellent, as well, and the resolution was razor sharp. And no small thing: I saw no rainbows, something I can't say of some projectors that are even higher priced.

Was it the best projector at the show? No. The $35,000 JVC and Barco Balder both look better. CEDIA is a dealer event, not a general public event, though, and in that context, the $25,000 price point, makes a great deal of business sense. For dealers with clients who can't reach to $35,000, or won't, or are looking to spec something more than, say, the new JVC 990 Gen 5 e-shift projector offers at $9,000 (which by the way is a lot if you don't mind a lamp instead of laser and 1080p instead of 4K...and, yes, JVC dropped the price $1,000 - a nice little bonus, plus they are now throwing in a three-year advance replacement warranty) this is an uber attractive option.
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This is the $20,000+ Forum, isn't it? Lots of (I was going to say tedious, but thought better of it) comments about who can't afford it, and know-it-all piling on about Sony's oh-so-obvious marketing and business ineptitude, but it seems no one has told us about what the projector actually looks like. Have you not actually seen it?

Well, the fact is, it looks very, very good. It had no problem lighting up what I think was a 165-inch screen, so it obviously has very good perceived brightness. The color depth was excellent, as well, and the resolution was razor sharp. And no small thing: I saw no rainbows, something I can't say of some projectors that are even higher priced.

Was it the best projector at the show? No. The $35,000 JVC and Barco Balder both look better. CEDIA is a dealer event, not a general public event, though, and in that context, the $25,000 price point, makes a great deal of business sense. For dealers with clients who can't reach to $35,000, or won't, or are looking to spec something more than, say, the new JVC 990 Gen 5 e-shift projector offers at $9,000 (which by the way is a lot if you don't mind a lamp instead of laser and 1080p instead of 4K...and, yes, JVC dropped the price $1,000 - a nice little bonus, plus they are now throwing in a three-year advance replacement warranty) this is an uber attractive option.
I agree with you re the projectors at CEDIA

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As for seen it, plenty of people have, as CEDIA is just a tiny insignificant show, compared to the Show it was launched at last week, Internationale FunkAusstellung http://www.ifa-berlin.de/en/. Head over to the 3-20K section. and look for the Sony VPL-VW760ES.
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Let's see, 25,000.00 dollars for 20,000 hours? How about 60,000.00 for a Z9 100 inch and 100,000 hours,3D and I can watch it on a bright sunny day,all in true 4K!
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This is the $20,000+ Forum, isn't it? Lots of (I was going to say tedious, but thought better of it) comments about who can't afford it, and know-it-all piling on about Sony's oh-so-obvious marketing and business ineptitude, but it seems no one has told us about what the projector actually looks like. Have you not actually seen it?

I got here via the main page, which directed to comments. Affordability is subjective, I'm not "rich" but above HH $200k/year , just because one can afford it does not mean one can justify the price vs perceived value position of it. The good/better/best gap is too huge here, IMO of course.





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This is the $20,000+ Forum, isn't it? Lots of (I was going to say tedious, but thought better of it) comments about who can't afford it...
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Was it the best projector at the show? No. The $35,000 JVC and Barco Balder both look better.
Can you please elaborate, if you could?

For those at $25k price point, and depending on discounts, the $10k step up to Barco might not be significant, considering the higher light output of Barco Balder (what is it? 3500 or 7000?). I am actually disappointed that Sony chose to go with "only" 2000 lumens, at this price point. They probably did so, because they don't want to anger their Sony 5000 customer base, who just spent $60k on an almost identical machine, albeit with higher light output.

Btw, for those who are complaining about list price being 15,000 Euros.. I wonder it is so because Sony's economists think that $ will depreciate further against the Euro (as it has been happening in recent months). Of course, Japanese prices of Sony 1100 have also been quite a bit lower than our prices.

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I am not going to get into SURE pricing here, but you can legitimately purchase the JVC 4k for close to the same price as the new Sony. You might be able to find dealers breaking SURE pricing, but it will take some work and probably won't be a lot.

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$25,000

I'm interested, but will wait for the trickle down at this price.
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This is the $20,000+ Forum, isn't it? Lots of (I was going to say tedious, but thought better of it) comments about who can't afford it, and know-it-all piling on about Sony's oh-so-obvious marketing and business ineptitude, but it seems no one has told us about what the projector actually looks like. Have you not actually seen it?

Well, the fact is, it looks very, very good. It had no problem lighting up what I think was a 165-inch screen, so it obviously has very good perceived brightness. The color depth was excellent, as well, and the resolution was razor sharp. And no small thing: I saw no rainbows, something I can't say of some projectors that are even higher priced.

Was it the best projector at the show? No. The $35,000 JVC and Barco Balder both look better. CEDIA is a dealer event, not a general public event, though, and in that context, the $25,000 price point, makes a great deal of business sense. For dealers with clients who can't reach to $35,000, or won't, or are looking to spec something more than, say, the new JVC 990 Gen 5 e-shift projector offers at $9,000 (which by the way is a lot if you don't mind a lamp instead of laser and 1080p instead of 4K...and, yes, JVC dropped the price $1,000 - a nice little bonus, plus they are now throwing in a three-year advance replacement warranty) this is an uber attractive option.
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