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post #811 of 837 Old 10-04-2006, 10:31 AM
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Mark Seaton came by for a quick preview, and feels, if I understood him right, that more sound quality can be extracted from the bass system. We have the amplitude and SPLs, but he thinks more crossover tuning can be done.
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Indeed, I did make a trip out to tzucc's to check out what Bruce & Winston were able to do with a permanent install and two TRWs. Simply put, the system now has some very special capabilities that very noticably add to the experience. The subjective intensity of anything happening seems to be ratcheted up, where even at comfortable levels things sound large and powerful.

I have not seen any measurements other than the TRW measurements tzucc posted in his blog. I did hear some definite room to coax an even more impactful and dynamic sound from the lower frequencies, but it sounded quite good given the short time Bruce and tzucc had to dial things in. Tzucc and I are hoping to co-ordinate my coming out to spend some time optimizing the system with Bruce's follow up visit. This system has some frightening potential that needs to be tapped. :cool:

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I would like to mention to everyone here my install experience with Bruce and Winston.
I was supposed to have a carpenter to do all the demo and construction required for the install. He did a few hours of demo and disappeared on us. So Bruce and Winston picked up the ball and did all the rest of the work, demo, framing, manifold construction, some electrical everything but the drywall repair and the 240V line (which Bruce could have done just as well).

These guys stayed here for a full 14 days away from their core business to make this very first install worthy of our combined efforts. And these were 12-16 hour days including weekends. Which is pretty cool... they bailed me out of a thorny situation since my other labor had disappeared on me, and quality replacement labor was nowhere to be found on short notice.

I don't know if any of their future customers will ever get that much over the top service, but you can count on persistence towards a quality outcome with this outfit. These two guys are among the most can-do types I have met, and I'll hold them up to any entrepreneur in Silicon Valley. I wish he was based out here with the SV resources to capital and marketing channels... his type is well appreciated on Sand Hill Road.

Finally, it's cool that they can fly in and out anywhere with their own plane. The plane that they maintain 100% by themselves. Winston in addition to everything else is an FAA certified mechanic and flight instructor, and between Bruce and Winston, there's no home theatre around North America that they can't get to at will. It was pretty cool to drop them off at Reid Hill Airport in San Jose and watch them take off airframe panels and check stuff.

Anyway, I just wanted to give them props they deserve for their diligence on this install.

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I would like to mention to everyone here my install experience with Bruce and Winston.
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Yes; Bruce and Winston really are a "class-act". One could tell that even in our short visit during
the demo.

They are very committed to this project; and as tzucc states, they do what is necessary to get the
job done. That's always a VERY BIG plus in my book.

With the airplane at their disposal, their motto should be, "Have BASS; will travel".

Perhaps you could convince them to come to Silicon Valley; our weather competes with that
in Florida, not as humid and we don't have hurricanes.

I'd like to try to get them to relocate to Livermore. Actually what is now LLNL used to be a
Naval Air Station; the one where John Glenn learned to fly. The Navy located here because
Livermore has a large number of "flyable days". Although the mile square Naval Air Starion is
gone; Livermore Municipal Airport could be their base. The surrounding business park would
also be a good location for a small business!!!

http://www.ci.livermore.ca.us/airport/airport_info.html

What do you say, Bruce? Is "California Dreaming" a possiblitity? :)

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Believe me, I have pressed them on the issue... I bet they will have far more install customers in the Bay area than in the Tallahassee area... however, they have roots... they have a factory, trained employees, etc... not easy to uproot, move, train new people, etc...

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Believe me, I have pressed them on the issue... I bet they will have far more install customers in the Bay area than in the Tallahassee area... however, they have roots... they have a factory, trained employees, etc... not easy to uproot, move, train new people, etc...
Their housing costs would easily quadruple, as would their factory costs and then the factory employees wages go up etc etc etc. That's a huge change, and one that would not bode well for them, and they don't have huge sales to draw from.

These are important considerations from the business' perspective ;)

But Bruce is quite a class act.

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Of course, there is the cost of doing business in California along with the cost of living. If they were going to relocate, then I would recommend Texas.

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yes, all true, however there is also a cost of not doing business in CA.
Sales could be higher when you're located closer to the customers.
Maybe for this business market and model, this is a big factor or not.
I am not familiar enough with the audio marketplace to know.

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SOUTH FLORIDA IS ONE OF THE TOP 3 MARKETS FOR HT though, and the average square foot per theater is greater than NY and Ca.. It is just a matter of time the buzz catches on down here. I am already spreading the word.
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good point.

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So the room is done, all construction, finish, and cleanup is done.

Now I am recalibrating and checking crossover settings once again... I think by the time Bruce shows up in Nov, we'll be very ready for a BAAS unveiling.

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So the room is done, all construction, finish, and cleanup is done.

Now I am recalibrating and checking crossover settings once again... I think by the time Bruce shows up in Nov, we'll be very ready for a BAAS unveiling.

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see the blog... I put up some freq vs SPL results captured during some movie sequences. Bottom line is that the sound is huge, novel and pleasing. The numbers look like things can still improve. I have to chat with Bruce to get from the current 100-110 dB SPL range to the 110-120dB range where I want to be.

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short video of the TRW being used at a haunted house... see blog.

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tzucc,

You DEFINITELY need to open the outside door to the office/bathroom on Halloween. :D

I'm sure Bruce could synthesize some fun content. Even some ramping up and down, low passed pink noise would be pretty un-nerving. The only complication is that your neighboors already experienced the effect on their homes during the meet. If you had a short clip burned to a CD you could just temp an IR repeater to hit "play" whenever you felt like it. Such fun to be had... :cool:

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Mark, that is actually a good idea! A little Halloween fun! Too bad the cat is out of the bag with the neighbors... otherwise I could have had alot of fun with this.

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some new pics are up fyi.

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I posted some numbers of output SPL vs backvent volume. Of interest to those considering an install...

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I had a talk with Boz at Tact audio. Their new TCS Mark 3 (HDMI 1.3 2>1) will have 12 channels of processing, with it you can assign any basss mix to any output.

When coupled with their Boz digital amp, where you can restrict the frequency (say from dc to 20) you could indeed have a more powerful/cleaner multi subwoofer solution than the LAKE processor offers.

This is the configuration I would like to pitch for future rotary sub installs.
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thanks Peter... I'll look into this... the Lake is hard to beat from the SNR and filter capability, but let's see.

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Where is T.H.E. S.H.O.W. this time? Is that where Bruce will be showing?
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Where is T.H.E. S.H.O.W. this time? Is that where Bruce will be showing?
It's at the St. Tropez again this year. There is shuttle service from the Casino Royale (Next to the Venetian) and the Convention Center.

Here's a web page with the shuttle info.

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Thanks.

For Laughs, here is something I wrote to a potential customer that was scared by Pointdexter's video.

"The misunderstood Rotary Subwoofer: It's sound is neither apocalyptic nor calamitous, "au contraire" It is natural,

organic, woomb-like enough to lull a baby into sleep. It is what has been missing all along in Home Cinema.

Once you hear it, all other subs are boom-boxes."
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For Laughs, here is something I wrote to a potential customer that was scared by Pointdexter's video.
What video? Where might I find it? Is it in this 28 page thread?
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Peter, you comment on the TRW, but have you ever experienced it?

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Yep at the Denver Athletic Club demo. It was done with full range speakers from ET. After having my ears blown with the Darts, Synthesis, and all that THX demo nonsense for 2 days it was a fresh breath of air.
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