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thxman's Avatar thxman 06:58 AM 08-12-2014
I doubt it will be cheaper than the current controller, so even at $3500, I may have to pass. The sad thing is that there may be less pull to get resync fixes in. In recent releases, both Bullet to the Head and Pompeii don't sync for me. Add to that the 5 or 6 older releases that I have that don't sync and a handful of DVD to BD that I am waiting on. Keep in mind, most of these are rentals, so I won't be sending off anything to get fixed.

My HT budget right now is for Atmos (I am banking on the hope Atmos will sync, :O) and a new PJ & Screen. Any D-Box upgrades right now would be to add more seating with MFX.

Now anything in the sub $1500 range and I will bite.

turls's Avatar turls 08:39 AM 08-12-2014
Well, if it is that price (over 3 grand or so) you can pretty much throw out any reason to provide a more mass-market actuator. Then you've got the subscription also...

Hoping for a nice upgrade program too. They should want to get these in everybody's hands, as it makes their coding job on the back-end easier. And the better the codes work, the more likely to get repeat subscription income, yada, yada.
Dirk44's Avatar Dirk44 09:33 AM 08-12-2014
I hope for a cheaper solution for those how have MCI - 4P
Announcement @ Cedia ?
thxman's Avatar thxman 10:10 AM 08-12-2014
Matt, I agree with you. If it takes 4 hours of labor to re-sync each copy of a move, it seems that it would be in their best interest to get this new controller in to as many hands as they can.

Also, I am excited about the cheaper actuators, but we shal see.

Dirk44, I have that PC controller too. I asked D-Box via Facebook back around May and they said they did not have plans for a new PC controler at that time. Perhaps this has changed.
7channelfreak's Avatar 7channelfreak 09:29 PM 08-12-2014
They do have a booth this year at CEDIA. They weren't there last year so I'm sure they will be promoting something new (controller is obvious). I'm headed out to the show so I will post when I get by the booth.
thxman's Avatar thxman 06:51 AM 08-13-2014
That is great news, I hope you have a great trip and can't wait to hear what you see.
7channelfreak's Avatar 7channelfreak 07:50 PM 08-13-2014
Anyone have their Art of Flight bluray sync? I bought the two disc version from Amazon and it was a no go.
CINERAMAX's Avatar CINERAMAX 05:58 AM 08-14-2014
Budget actuators are not going to be released within a year or more. There is one universal controller box solution and it is standalone so no mc4p piggybacking.
thxman's Avatar thxman 07:16 AM 08-14-2014
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Anyone have their Art of Flight bluray sync? I bought the two disc version from Amazon and it was a no go.
I have the same issue, but mine was a rental.
thxman's Avatar thxman 07:17 AM 08-14-2014
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Budget actuators are not going to be released within a year or more. There is one universal controller box solution and it is standalone so no mc4p piggybacking.
Thanks for the info. All sad news for me. If the new controller is priced rigtht, it will make up for the sad news.
mv038856's Avatar mv038856 09:17 AM 08-14-2014
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Thanks for the info. All sad news for me. If the new controller is priced rigtht, it will make up for the sad news.
My guess is that the new controller might not be PC based. For the 340c and the Series IV, the standalone controller simply was a PC controller that was built into the same case as the PC. Coincidentially, the PC case had a display and a few hardbuttons... But they reflected only the corresponding buttons in the controller software. That made developing and maintaining standalone and PC versions in parallel easy.

What if the new controller is e.g. Rasperry Pi based? Do you need a PC if the Shazam-Movie-Info is cloud-based, i.e. isn't stored locally? Only guessing from my side, but there could be a number of reasons why a PC controller could cause significant additional development cost or simply would not be needed anymore...

Cheers!

Markus
mv038856's Avatar mv038856 09:26 AM 08-14-2014
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I hope for a cheaper solution for those how have MCI - 4P
Announcement @ Cedia ?
I would not expect anything cheap or even a big trade in program for all the 'legacy' controllers out there.

When I was in contact with Carl from D-Box, he hinted that there might be some form of trade in for controllers that were bought after the new controller had been announced. But for the rest, anything but an "introductory offer" seems whishful thinking.

But maybe D-Box will surprise all of us!

Cheers!

Markus
thxman's Avatar thxman 02:22 PM 08-14-2014
Good input. For anyone going to CEDIA, can you ask what platform the new controller is built on? Obviously, it won't be Win XP anymore. (Right??)


May be a good idea for D-Box to add a USB input to connect to a gaming PC for, well, games. Having to switch connections from the movie controller to the KAI-1P for a product in this league is silly. Not to mention it would be nice to have “passengers” for some games.
CINERAMAX's Avatar CINERAMAX 10:08 AM 08-15-2014
Great news!

Not to exceed amount:2,500
No Less than amount: 2,000
No part number yet so no pre-orders.
thxman's Avatar thxman 11:42 AM 08-15-2014
Add a 4 year sub and I will bite.
mv038856's Avatar mv038856 12:55 PM 08-15-2014
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Add a 4 year sub and I will bite.
...well, as long as my lifetime subscription will be valid for the new codes, I am fine...

Cheers!

Markus
thxman's Avatar thxman 01:04 PM 08-15-2014
Rub it in why don't you.
thxman's Avatar thxman 04:24 PM 08-15-2014
After Earth was added to the list. Such a bad movie.
mv038856's Avatar mv038856 04:08 AM 08-16-2014
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Rub it in why don't you.
...anytime!

For your comfort... I do have the lifetime subscription, but my dedicated home theater is far from being operational... so my D-Box system currently isn't even set up...

Cheers!

Markus
thxman's Avatar thxman 11:58 AM 08-16-2014
Well, to be honest, I'd rather you be up and running so I am sorry to hear that. You have some very informative posts here and I learned a lot about the standalone controllers from you. My favorite is when you swapped out your motherboard and added a BD player!
7channelfreak's Avatar 7channelfreak 12:59 PM 08-16-2014
Is it possible there's more than one controller coming? When I was interacting with them at the time I was getting my subscription, I mentioned I'd be at Cedia and they said they would have a new booth and showing their new controllers. (With a S).
CINERAMAX's Avatar CINERAMAX 04:03 PM 08-16-2014
Just the one for 2 and change.
turls's Avatar turls 05:04 PM 08-16-2014
Cineramax, you are about the only dealer that regularly posts here, any chance of a group buy? I would imagine a big chunk of the dealers who sold many of us items here are no longer selling D-Box. So I don't think you would be stepping on many toes...
CINERAMAX's Avatar CINERAMAX 05:30 PM 08-16-2014
if its ok with mod, sure pm me.
thxman's Avatar thxman 01:30 PM 08-19-2014
Updated look at D-Box theatrical releases over time. *
2014 23 movies (as of 8/15/14). 3 movies are listed as upcoming at this time, but this is expected to grow.
2013 26 movies (16 movies by 8/15/13).
2012 28 movies (15 movies by 8/15/12).
2011 15 movies (8 movies by 8/15/11).
2010 13 movies (9 movies by 8/15/10).
2009 9 movies (Started in March 2009).

*Used D-Box's web site and Wikipedia.



EDIT: Looking at Wiki, the following are missing from D-Box's site.

1. 2012
2. Cabin in the Woods
3. The Avengers
4. Battleship
5. Snow White & the Huntsman
6. Prometheus
7. The Amazing Spider-Man
8. The Dark Knight Rises
9. The Expendable 2
10. The Possession
11. Resident Evil: Retribution
12. Alex Cross
13. A Good Day to Die hard
14. G.I. Joe Retaliation
15. Oblivion

Missing from Wiki where:
1. Red 2
2. Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters
3. Lone Survivor
4. Frozen
Frank_VisionHD's Avatar Frank_VisionHD 10:17 AM 08-20-2014
Hi!

My name is Frank and I work for Vision HD . Our company is in close partnership with D-BOX and I couldn't help but notice that A LOT of you wanted information on the new controller that will be presented at CEDIA, in Denver, from September 10th to September 13th.

I have some information for you, coming straight from D-BOX, which we can share. Hopefully, you will find answers to your questions in this post.

With the Series IV-BD, the controller could recognize a movie and synchronize the movement code with the film in question only from a Blu-ray or DVD physical disk . The Blu-ray player would send a coaxial signal type or Toslink FPDIF.

This connection limited the 5.1 surround system; there was no possibility to use a 7.1 surrounds sound system and code motion simultaneously. Obviously, no other source could function as the synchronization information was provided strictly from the reading of the disc. In addition, any changes from one version to another (ex: language change) made the motion code totally unusable.

Now, with the new Series V-Connect (might not be the final official name), recognition and synchronization for the new controller is made in a completely different manner.

The new controller "listens " to the soundtrack of the film to identify it and also to synchronize the code . To do this, we simply need an "audio jack 3.5mm" stereo that can come from a master of the TV, an amplifier and even a headphone jack.

It will also be possible to use an "external sound card" or an "external converter" capable of receiving a signal FPDIF coaxial or Toslink and an HDMI signal and convert it to simple stereo RCA signal. This type of connection no longer limits surround sound system since we are now at the end of the "sound system" or parallel to 'stream' principal. The technology used is similar to the one used for the "Shazam" software.

In conclusion, the new way to recognize the film and synchronize the movement code with the audio frame of the film now allows the use of any source; whether it’s Apple TV, Netflix, a traditional TV network or YouTube; the device will automatically recognize digital stream of all kinds.

This is the biggest change and the biggest benefit also on the new device.

The new controller type is therefore a "black box" with no screen and no disk drive. The entire user interface application will be downloadable on tablet and eventually on multi OS smartphones. The new application will be all you need to access your initial start-up and user interface for your D-BOX system.

I will give you more information as D-BOX releases them to me, to keep you up to date with all their new products and features.

Thank you and I hope this might have answered some of your questions.

Cheers,
Frank
thxman's Avatar thxman 10:34 AM 08-20-2014
Hello Frank, thank you for the post and info.

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This connection limited the 5.1 surround system; there was no possibility to use a 7.1 surrounds sound system and code motion simultaneously.
This is not correct. We cannot sync with PCM, but Dolby HD and DTS MA all work regardless of 5.1, 7.1, etc...

There is a way to use a PC (as a Media/BD Player) to get PCM, but it is not well supported. The biggest draw to this new controller will be being able to watch streaming, and copies (BD, DVD, etc) that were not synced previously by D-Box.
thxman's Avatar thxman 10:42 AM 08-20-2014
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...To do this, we simply need an "audio jack 3.5mm" stereo that can come from a master of the TV, an amplifier and even a headphone jack.

It will also be possible to use an "external sound card" or an "external converter" capable of receiving a signal FPDIF coaxial or Toslink and an HDMI signal and convert it to simple stereo RCA signal. This type of connection no longer limits surround sound system since we are now at the end of the "sound system" or parallel to 'stream' principal...
This generates 2 questions for me.

1. Why this extra connection (3.5mm jack) or will this replace the current connection?
2. Will this new controller still not have HDMI? All we should need to do is connect HDMI in to the D-Box controller and then have an HDMI out to the AVR/SSP. It sounds like we are moving backward in regards to connectivity.
thxman's Avatar thxman 10:46 AM 08-20-2014
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The new controller type is therefore a "black box" with no screen and no disk drive. The entire user interface application will be downloadable on tablet and eventually on multi OS smartphones.
Ok, new questions. If there is no disk drive, does that mean you always have to have a sub to watch any movie? What if your internet connection is down?

Will there still be RS-232 and IP control for those who don’t want to use a tablet?
thxman's Avatar thxman 11:08 AM 08-20-2014
When did the price of the KAI-1P go up? I thought the MSRP was $299.99?
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