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Just watched BvS extended edition using the HEMC.

This was the first movie where I've noticed the lack of coding for the extended edition made a difference. The HEMC did keep up and resync'd however, during the funeral the cannon explosions were mistimed and in a very quiet scene all of a sudden the chairs "boom" with action, and then the canon's would visually go a few seconds later...

OK, I assumed my plan to use just L&R were a bad idea as I have had all kinds of issues. Maybe I need to pick a different flick to test.


Have you reported this to D-Box?
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I have my HEMC hooked up to L/R channels essentially, and it works perfectly.

The issue with Extended Editions and the HEMC is the buffer of the unit itself. It continues to play motion codes, but on extended sequences, there are a couple of moments that may not "Fit" with the current scene.

In BvS, at the funeral several additional scenes were added before the cannons fire, so the cannons fired in HEMC but not on the movie yet. The device did catch up quickly and continued but is was very noticeable.

This also happened on LotR Extended Edition if I remember, but not in places where there was really quiet part of the movie and then intense action and then quiet again...

I do not think they are going to code each and every "Edition" of the movies anymore. I could be wrong, but that was the feeling I get.

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The d-box codes largely are taken from the theatrical releases so I expect these extended editions to have such issues. I too got jolted by the chair with the cannon fire of BvS.LOL
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Some clarification on the L& R requirements. I have tested this extensively and have confirmation from D-Box Support. L&R only works 100% if you have a stereo downmix. To test this, unplug your audio input and connect some headphones. Do you hear talking/dialog during normal scenes? If yes, you have a downmix. True L&R only will not have any dialog unless it is panned in to the L&R. Using true L&R only, is problematic as there are often passages of no or little sound.


Murat/Peter, has Hyperion's Altitude been modified for downmix?
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Some clarification on the L& R requirements. I have tested this extensively and have confirmation from D-Box Support. L&R only works 100% if you have a stereo downmix. To test this, unplug your audio input and connect some headphones. Do you hear talking/dialog during normal scenes? If yes, you have a downmix. True L&R only will not have any dialog unless it is panned in to the L&R. Using true L&R only, is problematic as there are often passages of no or little sound.


Murat/Peter, has Hyperion's Altitude been modified for downmix?

Thanks thxman, for that clarification...was a little confused about how Peter was able to get the D-Box system to function with just the L & R. On the Yamaha 3050, I needed to use the Left, Center, & Right pre-outs to make the HEMC work properly.
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Sorry Brandon but I have way to many installs running on just the (not downmixed for sure)L+R, 5 datasat including the ap20 too, and 3 Trinnov including Hyperion.

Can't explain, perhaps it is my magic touch.LOL

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Can you check the audio with headphones to test? Please
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I will try looking for headphones but I have an occasional girlfriend that helps herself to all the ear buds and chargers so I may be out.LOL
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So very many D-BOX users affected by the Kaleidescape debacle (they shut their doors if anybody doesn't know)? I think D-BOX is in the same niche, I hope they are doing well enough to stay viable. I'm thinking there were at least some potential Kaleidescape users that saw the HEMC as a way to combine the two systems, and the HEMC might have been the enabler for them to get burnt. I also think this could indirectly hurt D-BOX sales going forward.

Luckily, by the time the HEMC came out, I wasn't serious about Kaleidescape any more.

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So very many D-BOX users affected by the Kaleidescape debacle (they shut their doors if anybody doesn't know)? I think D-BOX is in the same niche, I hope they are doing well enough to stay viable. I'm thinking there were at least some potential Kaleidescape users that saw the HEMC as a way to combine the two systems, and the HEMC might have been the enabler for them to get burnt. I also think this could indirectly hurt D-BOX sales going forward.

Luckily, by the time the HEMC came out, I wasn't serious about Kaleidescape any more.
If D-Box solely relied on the consumer market they probably would be out of business already. It is the synergies from the commercial sector that makes and keeps the home sector feasible. It is the recurring revenue from the cinemas that keeps D-Box afloat. A least that is what their financial statements tell me...

I briefy considered Kaleidescape, but their full service approach and lockdown of the system kept me away... simply priced too high for me... each and every component... the players (w/o 3D), the harddrives @pri ces x times the price of a comparable disk on the PC components market... then the need to buy disc vaults... one for each 200 discs... I would need 7 or 8 of them... where to put them... all in all a great idea, but not feasible for me. Sad to see them go though. Despite streaming, there is a niche for a local media server, especially if we are talking about highest quality in video and audio.

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Use a platform for D-Box or only seats?

I am interested to integrate a D-Box system in my new theater, but I wonder what brings the most immersive/most realistic experience:

1-Buy special seats with built-in actuators?
2-Built a platform and connect the actuators to the platform?

If the second option is the best: how much space is needed under the platform for the actuators?

I tried to look for this information on the D-Box site, but I couldn't find anything...
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I am interested to integrate a D-Box system in my new theater, but I wonder what brings the most immersive/most realistic experience:



1-Buy special seats with built-in actuators?

2-Built a platform and connect the actuators to the platform?



If the second option is the best: how much space is needed under the platform for the actuators?



I tried to look for this information on the D-Box site, but I couldn't find anything...


I think I covered that in my FAQ

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I am interested to integrate a D-Box system in my new theater, but I wonder what brings the most immersive/most realistic experience:

1-Buy special seats with built-in actuators?
2-Built a platform and connect the actuators to the platform?

If the second option is the best: how much space is needed under the platform for the actuators?

I tried to look for this information on the D-Box site, but I couldn't find anything...
I have 2 platforms (SB330) each with 2 seats on them. The actuators (the side panels) are about 2 - 2.5" wide. I had to bolt a plywood platform under the seats to support them and bolted the seats to the plywood. Painted it black and you can hardly notice it, I have black carpet.

My seats were purchased such that I can take the center arm rest off and make it a love seat or 2 individual seats.

Overall, I am happy with the performance of the platforms. The side panels do require you to have enough room to the left / right so if your seats are ment to be part of a "Group" that might be an issue.

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I think I covered that in my FAQ
Great FAQ, just read through it.
However, I couldn't find the answers to my questions in your FAQ...
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Integrated actuators will give you a bit better experience from what my dealer told me years ago. I've never tried a platform model, only the integrated version.

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I have 2 platforms (SB330) each with 2 seats on them. The actuators (the side panels) are about 2 - 2.5" wide. I had to bolt a plywood platform under the seats to support them and bolted the seats to the plywood. Painted it black and you can hardly notice it, I have black carpet.

My seats were purchased such that I can take the center arm rest off and make it a love seat or 2 individual seats.

Overall, I am happy with the performance of the platforms. The side panels do require you to have enough room to the left / right so if your seats are ment to be part of a "Group" that might be an issue.
Thanks for your input. So D-box also sells complete (almost) ready to use platforms?
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D-Box no longer sells the actuators (hydraulic) that were made for platforms though they come up used from time to time. You can use the heavy duty 4400i actuators, but with limited capacity at approximately 1600 lbs total (platform+chairs+occupants) which does not go far if you are looking to serve many seats. The nice part of the platforms was that you did not have to recline for better immersion as you need to decouple your feet from the floor with the per chair setups.

Alternatively, the seating actuators have more travel than the old platforms systems (1.5" vs .75"). Also keep in mind that total movement decreases the further apart that actuators are.
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That is strange, D-Box is still listing the platforms on their website... I grabbed a pic from their website


Regarding movement, I'd say we have 1.5" of movement in our platform! When the chairs initialize after a power on, they move a considerable amount.

Possibly we are discussing 2 different technologies? I have 2 love seat platforms, that I mounted 4 seats on. We run them easily with 2 large adults I'd say 500lbs + chairs without an issue. At times, the motion is so much it will launch you out of the chair!
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That is strange, D-Box is still listing the platforms on their website... I grabbed a pic from their website


Regarding movement, I'd say we have 1.5" of movement in our platform! When the chairs initialize after a power on, they move a considerable amount.
SRP-xxx Motion Platforms are not the "real platforms" they once sold, minus the SRP-530. Believe me, I have 2 SRP-220s and 2 "actual" kits for custom chairs factory reinforced for D-Box. SRPs are just actuators connected by a steel frame. The old platforms could make you think the room was moving.

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I have 2 love seat platforms, that I mounted 4 seats on. We run them easily with 2 large adults I'd say 500lbs + chairs without an issue. At times, the motion is so much it will launch you out of the chair!
Are your seats "recliners"?
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Yes, you are correct. They are different.
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Yes, they recline.

To get everything working properly, I bolted the steel frame to 3/4" cabinet grade plywood. I guesstimated the center of gravity, with a person reclined, and positioned the frame slightly towards the back of the plywood.

I then removed the feet from the chairs, and ran large bolts thru the plywood into the wood frame of the chairs. We initially tried bolting the metal frame to the 2 chairs, but it flexed too much in the middle. The plywood was the workaround.

The plywood sits slightly behind the electric foot rests so you cannot really see the platform. I painted the plywood bases flat black, and the chairs are also black leather.

Now had I not just purchased the electric reclining chairs, I might have gone with actual D-Box chairs. But, this was a nice alternative. The love seat / dual chair combo works out well.

Unfortunately, our HT holds 8 chairs and only the center 2 in each row move. However, it has not been an issue, as there are always some people who do not like the movement or feel it is too much.
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My recliner used to fall back cause it was loose on the platform. incliners work best. i have a single incliner and the effects all the way up are very intense, better than the old platform they have more travel.
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SRP-xxx Motion Platforms are not the "real platforms" they once sold, minus the SRP-530. Believe me, I have 2 SRP-220s and 2 "actual" kits for custom chairs factory reinforced for D-Box. SRPs are just actuators connected by a steel frame. The old platforms could make you think the room was moving.
I sat on a chair which was mounted on a D-Box platform with 4 actuators underneath (some 10 years ago @ CEDIA) and was really impressed. It was indeed like the room was moving!

So if I got this right, there are three ways to enjoy D-Box in an HT:

1-The old platform system with 4 actuators (no longer in production, I'm afraid)
2-The new platform systems
3-All-in-one D-Box chairs.

So the third option is the best (I need to get new HT seating anyway)n as in the most immersive/most realistic?
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I sat on a chair which was mounted on a D-Box platform with 4 actuators underneath (some 10 years ago @ CEDIA) and was really impressed. It was indeed like the room was moving!

So if I got this right, there are three ways to enjoy D-Box in an HT:

1-The old platform system with 4 actuators (no longer in production, I'm afraid)
2-The new platform systems
3-All-in-one D-Box chairs.

So the third option is the best (I need to get new HT seating anyway)n as in the most immersive/most realistic?

If I was buying new seating, then absolutely that is the way to go! Via the IPad software you can set the strength of the motion, just like in the movie theater.
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My recliner used to fall back cause it was loose on the platform. incliners work best. i have a single incliner and the effects all the way up are very intense, better than the old platform they have more travel.
Hi Peter,

Is it possible to set the strength of the effect separately for each chair that is connected to the HEMC? If so, this would be an advantage compared to platform systems.

Are those D-Box enabled chairs any higher then non-compatible chairs?
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Does anyone have an update on the Audio Only mode for the new HEMC? It was due this year, we are only a few host months away from the end of the year and still not sign of it!?!?
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Where can I get information on the D-Box All in one chairs?
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Got mine from Frank at VisionHD but their website seems down.

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I also bought mine from VisionHD but it was from Stephane. However, my order was placed all the way back in March 2016, and i still have not received anything 😔

This is not VisionHD's fault though, it is the fault of the Seats Manufacturer Jaymar. VisionHD is great and I can highly recommend them, however i would not choose Jaymar for your seats if you want them in a decent amount of time!

They are slow at communicating and even slower at getting things done. If you want your seats any time soon i would highly recommend to look for an alternative manufacturer however, VisionHD can help you with that!
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