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A question to all of you C3X 1080 gurus. Mine is on order and final screen size is TBD, I am wanting a CineV 130 with a T1 lens. Will the PJ deliver with a screen of this size?
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If your interested in my Cine-W studiotek let me know... It is the 130 (diag) 10' wide. To show you how much I like it, I'm geting the EXACT same model but going to the 151 size since my current rental home will allow for the increased size... From the PM's I received and various discussions, it was a consideration to use Firehawk, but I felt that Studiotek was the better choice for me. It's a tough call, I feel the black velvet canopy and light control is very good. Tough Call. Every time I get a screen I revisit the Studiotek vs Firehawk debate... Its studiotek again for me I guess...
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Do we have an updated review yet?
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Updated review: Jason opened the lid and found a gerbil, plastic lens, and a flashlight inside...
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A question to all of you C3X 1080 gurus. Mine is on order and final screen size is TBD, I am wanting a CineV 130 with a T1 lens. Will the PJ deliver with a screen of this size?

I haven't seen a C3X 1080 in action but I have seen the 720p version. Since the C3X 1080 will be brighter than its predecessor it should in principle be able to light up an 11-12 feet wide [2.40:1] screen [StudioTek/FireHawk].

The only question that comes to mind is the light drop-off after the first 100-135 hours.

I don't know if Sim2 has introduced a newer improved bulb for this model. I would reckon they have but can't say for sure. A $600-700 bulb replacement will definitely be a discount upgrade for sure compared to the Wilson Audio Alexandria X-2 upgrade you have opted for.


Your purchase is a very good one OB. The HT5000 is the dog's bollocks but this one should have the cojones as well to light up a decent size screen and project a beautiful picture.


P.S. You should post a similar query in the Screen forum if not done already and hope for an official response from Stewart to guide you on the screen size. Coldmachine or Alan Roser [Sim2 UK] will help you out if you ask them.
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Since the C3X 1080 will be brighter than its predecessor it should in principle be able to light up an 11-12 feet wide [2.40:1] screen [StudioTek/FireHawk].

The C3X is actually brighter than the C3X1080 by around 300 lumen.

I have a 10.5ft wide 235, non perf with 1.3 gain. It needs to be dimmed for me to get 25fL. Full on it gave 33fL

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The C3X is actually brighter than the C3X1080 by around 300 lumen.

What?!
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The C3X is actually brighter than the C3X1080 by around 300 lumen.

I have a 10.5ft wide 235, non perf with 1.3 gain. It needs to be dimmed for me to get 25fL. Full on it gave 33fL

With which one (needs dimming), you weren't clear, I don't remember what you have where. Thanks.
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With which one (needs dimming), you weren't clear, I don't remember what you have where. Thanks.

1080 needs dimming. Check your pm's

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General consensus seems to be 130, 12' wide should be perfect (consensus from people far more knowledgeable than me) That size and screen material is what I am ordering
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Obviously there has been some major interest in getting real world figures for this machine. The situation became rather confused as Jason had an issue with his unit that made the review, and the attendant figures void.

Jason and i chatted yesterday and it was decided that I would call in a favor and have my unit taken for testing. The tests were carried out by a senior engineer of an HD post production facility using professional industry standard, certified calibrated test equipment. In situ and 100% non reflective blackout tests were carried out.

When I received my results i contacted Jason and passed the results to him, without me knowing his figures with the new unit, thus acting as a blind check and also for correlation. Jason's and my own figures are close enough that either could be posted to show the same results. Here are the 100% accurate, independent and blind test verified figures. Hope this clears up any confusion. Lens is T2. T1 performance is basically the same.

CR max=7020@1100 lumen
ANSI= 695
Max Lumen= 1250

I will let you draw your own conlusions, but suffice to say those figures are outstanding.

I hope this helps in some way

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Thanks CM
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That's a nice on off but the ANSI is what sets these apart. The lumens plus ANSI is the ANSI pop often referred to when one first sees one on display.

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Art:

What is the Ansi on the 5000?
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Has there been a resolution on the Distance:Screenwidth ratios of the T2 lens?
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Has there been a resolution on the Distance:Screenwidth ratios of the T2 lens?

1.75 - 2.48 x image width (1.78:1).
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Has there been a resolution on the Distance:Screenwidth ratios of the T2 lens?

Sim2 is working on a clarification regarding Lens TR. The vertical lens shift feature is affecting the the actual vs. stated TR because of mechanical stops on the lens. This is NOT a design defect, it is a compromise to allow for more vertical lens shift. More info will follow.

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That's a nice on off but the ANSI is what sets these apart. The lumens plus ANSI is the ANSI pop often referred to when one first sees one on display.

Art

Agree 100%. Id rather have half that on/off than lose the ANSI.

I've seen machines, as im sure you have, with far lower on/off deliver a fantastic image so long as theyve got the ANSI and the fL

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Good to hear, since the T2 unit Jason compared to yours, should be here tomorrow. It will be very interesting going from my RS1 to the much higher Ansi, and lower On/Off.

I assume that the 7020 was achieved with low lamp and closed Iris? Was that the setting that resulted in 1100 lumens as well?

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The 7020 @ 1100 lumens - which end of the throw range are you using on the T2?
I assume that's long-throw, iris-closed, lamp-high?

You mentioned @800 lumens (non-pro measured) dimmed - other settings the same?

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That's a nice on off but the ANSI is what sets these apart. The lumens plus ANSI is the ANSI pop often referred to when one first sees one on display.

Art

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Agree 100%. Id rather have half that on/off than lose the ANSI.

I've seen machines, as im sure you have, with far lower on/off deliver a fantastic image so long as theyve got the ANSI and the fL

but is there any relationship between ansi contrast and on / off contrast in the creation of "pop"? if on / off is 15000+ and ansi is lower than 600, say 250, could you still feel that "pop"?
just trying to get an idea of what to expect having seen other pjs.
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but is there any relationship between ansi contrast and on / off contrast in the creation of "pop"? if on / off is 15000+ and ansi is lower than 600, say 250, could you still feel that "pop"?
just trying to get an idea of what to expect having seen other pjs.

Sadly not, its a function of high ANSI cr and fL....good color enhances the effect too.

Not only that but all of those PJs that claim super high on/off and 300 ANSI never deliver even that, typical figures are closer to and under 150.

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What is the Ansi on the 5000?

Sorry I don't know that.


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Sorry I don't know that.


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I didnt want to answer for you.

Mine was 705 at cal. Ive seen from 660-740. Allowing for normal variables and repeatability, I'd just say 700 is a fair figure.

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Sim2 is working on a clarification regarding Lens TR. The vertical lens shift feature is affecting the the actual vs. stated TR because of mechanical stops on the lens. This is NOT a design defect, it is a compromise to allow for more vertical lens shift. More info will follow.

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Jim,
Posted the genuine figures for the C3X1080 in another thread. If you want/need test details, pm me.

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Thanks CM and Art, trying to get a bearing on the Ansi of the 1080 vs the 5000, so it is right up there with the 5000, very nice, very nice indeed.
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Jim,
Posted the genuine figures for the C3X1080 in another thread. If you want/need test details, pm me.

I noticed that these figures don't include the throw ratio discrepancy.
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CM,
I just sent you a PM.

Ian,

Yes, it will take awhile longer to sort out the actual TR's based on % of Lens shift being utilized.

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