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post #91 of 877 Old 11-09-2007, 04:36 PM
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Confluence. Nice word.

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The new PJ arrived a while back but its only now that I've been able to get my hands on it. I cant get a calibration done till next week so I have no exact numbers, just observations. I intend to have a full review up next week, but Jason or Alan will have theirs up for the site by then, i would imagine.

The only regret with this machine is that I didn't have it much earlier and thus could have indulged in some "Gouger Baiting" as I know Alan is a huge fan of the series.

Out the box into the mount and powered up in 2 minutes, no problem. Screen is 8ft wide unmasking to 10.5ft. On power up, with no input selected, black level was noticeably black, no hand puppets here. Scrolling through the test screens was straight forward and revealing. Colors were very rich and the machine is very bright. Using the zoom screen to align, it was apparent there was zero CA. Alignment looks similar to the HT5000, i.e as near perfect as makes no difference. Zero at center and fractions at the edge. Corner to corner focus also perfect.

OK enough BS, what about the image? Stunning, utterly stunning. Clear as a bell, clean as a whistle and with that super color that comes from having 3 chips. CR is very high and ANSI looks massive. Without doing a back to back, I'd say this machine has all the SLAM and huge IMPACT that the HT5000 is known for just in a smaller package. This machine will handle 12ft wide properly. Zooming out to 12ft (overlapping the screen) the image looks to still be way over 20fL. Don't quote that as i need equipment to be sure.

I'll go into far more detail (menus, iris etc) when I've had time with the machine and get time to write.

For all prospective customers this really needs a good look. For those who've ordered already, you have no worries. Over the last year Sim2 have nailed the big domestic 3 chip market with the HT5000, they are dominating the top end of the single chip market with the 380 and 3000e. The C3X has ruled the 720 3 chip market for a couple of years. This baby takes its place right at the top of the heap in its market area. Small wonder sales are well up.

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I'd like to setup my mount shortly. Can you tell me what the distance is between the center of the projector and the lens. Inches or mm will do.
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I'd like to setup my mount shortly. Can you tell me what the distance is between the center of the projector and the lens. Inches or mm will do.

Its about 4 inches. Cant check atm.

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I love to scoop the frigid machine man. Looking from the front at the lens, the lens center is 14.1 inches from the left side and 3.0 inches from the right side, table mounted. The center of the machine is 8.55 inches (after all the machine is 17.1 inches wide) from either side making the lens center 5.55 inches to the right of machine center.

The machine intakes from one side rear and exhausts the other side rear. Sim2 recommends 10 inches side wall clearance for proper cooling. I don't have one yet. My info is from Sim2 today.

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I love to scoop the frigid machine man. Looking from the front at the lens, the lens center is 14.1 inches from the left side and 3.0 inches from the right side, table mounted. The center of the machine is 8.55 inches (after all the machine is 17.1 inches wide) from either side making the lens center 5.55 inches to the right of machine center.

Mark - 3" from the right side does not look correct. I just scaled the drawing from the C3X BKRT sheet and the lens scales 3" from center to center. If the center of lens sits 3" from the right side it would very close to the edge and pictures don't indicate that. I assumed all C3Xs have the same shell.
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Ordered.

I have no idea the specs you videophiles are talking about. But from all reviews it should be kick A!

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Hmm...Anyone have the calibrated lumens yet?? I will looking to upgrade my piece in the next year. THis would save a few bucks over the big daddy 5000.. I need some big lumens to get to 16 ft lamberts on my 1.3 gain 14' wide microperf scope..

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Hmm...Anyone have the calibrated lumens yet?? I will looking to upgrade my piece in the next year. THis would save a few bucks over the big daddy 5000.. I need some big lumens to get to 16 ft lamberts on my 1.3 gain 14' wide microperf scope..

I'll have figures ASP, but it is easily brighter than the 380. I have them back to back. The 380 was over 750 calibrated. allowing 1.2 for gain, 1000 will give you that what you need, so a bit more for lamp dimming would be needed.

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No matter what assumptions one makes about the machine's calibrated lumens, you will get your 16 ft-amberts. Your screen is only a measly 82 plus sq feet! This is supposed to be the big boys forum. I think we need to impose a 100 sq ft minimum to keep the obvious riff raff out.

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It does look like 16' is the new standard, there are two in progress on the construction forum.

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now we are talking. 106 2/3 sq ft with a 2.40 aspect. If you have a smaller screen, you belong on the plus $3K forum. There is a song, The Pretender.

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I need to live in a different country - I don't know anyone who could fit that in their house!
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That's one of the reasons we have builders and contractors licenses. We can and have built very very large houses. When a house gets beyong 20,000 sq feet, you have to use the space for something like a grande HT.

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They've just built some new houses near me and (this is no joke) you have to fold the mirrors on a normal family car so that you can fit it in the garage.

My 3 bedroom house (3rd bedroom is a joke) is just short of 800 sq feet!

I will now go back to the >3000USD forum where I belong
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I love to scoop the frigid machine man. Looking from the front at the lens, the lens center is 14.1 inches from the left side and 3.0 inches from the right side, table mounted. The center of the machine is 8.55 inches (after all the machine is 17.1 inches wide) from either side making the lens center 5.55 inches to the right of machine center.

The machine intakes from one side rear and exhausts the other side rear. Sim2 recommends 10 inches side wall clearance for proper cooling. I don't have one yet. My info is from Sim2 today.

Mark, do you feel that this projector will light up a 100 sq ft screen adequately ?

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now we are talking. 106 2/3 sq ft with a 2.40 aspect. If you have a smaller screen, you belong on the the plus $3K forum. There is a song, the Pretender.

I didn't realize this ...yes ,I see that now in the new posting rules ,sorry.

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What's the height of the projector, btw?
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It does look like 16' is the new standard, there are two in progress on the construction forum.

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Art it look like it may be time to tear down the walls and start fresh with a new addition
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What's the height of the projector, btw?

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My 3 bedroom house (3rd bedroom is a joke) is just short of 800 sq feet!

Yikes - no wonder you have trouble fitting a good size screen in your house! Our 3 bedroom house is 3000 square feet. The theater itself is 560 square feet...............

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Art it look like it may be time to tear down the walls and start fresh with a new addition

I'm going to enjoy my present screen for a while first.

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Art, Bland and Mark H.,

Again size matters. Looks like you guys are twice as big as me...

I kept saying look at that screen dear its really bigger than you think!

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My screen frame came in at 200" wide (outer diameter). My room measures 203.5" to the drywall (had to remove acoustical material and covering around frame as it subracted another 2" of room width!.

Thank goodness, there is no bigger screen in my future (but I made sure I maxed out my room)....

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@coldmachine:

Can you give some details about the lens shift? I want to do a "shelf mounted" installation of the C3X1080, with the projector mounted almost in the height of the upper border of the screen, like this:

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Would this be possible with the lensshift? Does the C3X support this amount of lensshift *down*? My old SIM2 HT-500 Link did not do full lensshift down, only up, so I had to mount this beast upside down.
Do I have to build a cradle to mount the C3X1080 upside-down, too? Or use a ceiling holder (which I don't like very much, because I cannot move the projector freely).

How "bad" is the picture going to be, when the lensshift is used? For example, The HT500 picture was not noticeably affected by extreme lens shift, where the RS1 has some convergence & focus problems if the lensshift is used to some amount.

Another question, is the lensshift motorized like it was on the HT500, or is it manually?

Thanks in advance for the info!
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Will the new C3X work with a 16" wide screen at 2.35? What screen material would you use? Thanks.
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@coldmachine:

Can you give some details about the lens shift? I want to do a "shelf mounted" installation of the C3X1080, with the projector mounted almost in the height of the upper border of the screen, like this:

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Would this be possible with the lensshift? Does the C3X support this amount of lensshift *down*? My old SIM2 HT-500 Link did not do full lensshift down, only up, so I had to mount this beast upside down.
Do I have to build a cradle to mount the C3X1080 upside-down, too? Or use a ceiling holder (which I don't like very much, because I cannot move the projector freely).

How "bad" is the picture going to be, when the lensshift is used? For example, The HT500 picture was not noticeably affected by extreme lens shift, where the RS1 has some convergence & focus problems if the lensshift is used to some amount.

Another question, is the lensshift motorized like it was on the HT500, or is it manually?

Thanks in advance for the info!

I think I can answer some of your questions, since I wanted to do the same thing. My understanding is that the lens shift is limited by the optics, as is the 720 version, so it will not be able to be mounted upright, without tilting the projector and using keystone. The lens shift is, I believe, manual.

I ended up building a movable shelf, with the mount attached underneath it, to mount the projector upside down.

Now, if I could only get my projector........

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Yea, I'm looking forward to it also... Have to wait for the T1 lens version... can only get to about 1.65.

With the T1 lens I could go from 10' wide to 12' wide, at least in this rental house because of the 9' ceilings. I'm tempted. I'm also tempted to just zoom and not use the ISCO 3. It would be very easy to program a preset zoom point. Just hit a buttom and zoom to a custom zoom position.
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..and (this is no joke) you have to fold the mirrors on a normal family car so that you can fit it in the garage..

Hehe, that's why you need a Lotus...
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My screen frame came in at 200" wide (outer diameter). My room measures 203.5" to the drywall (had to remove acoustical material and covering around frame as it subracted another 2" of room width!.

Thank goodness, there is no bigger screen in my future (but I made sure I maxed out my room)....

My guess is that will look spectacular in your room. I decided on mine based on saving the towers and retractible curtains and overall room esthetics.So far I've been pleased.

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