And to think that I started all of this with a joke about Jerry!! A point was made about the importance of room accoustics and I couldn't agree more. Most people do not fully appreciate how much of an impact that this can make. In the few places that I have lived over the last 25 years of being an audiophile, I have had to deal with all kinds of crappy rooms. I have done spectrum analysis of all these different environments and the affect that room accoustics has on the sound by the time it gets to your typical listening position can completely and totally overwhelm a flat measuring speaker!! Your almost better off not measuring because it can be depressing to think that you've speant all this money on a high end system only to have an effective room response curve that looks like a relief map of the Rocky Mountains!! I have heard Revel speakers and think they are pretty good. I actually liked the model below the Salons better than the Salons(notwithstanding the base response). The Wilson Watt Puppies have been great speakers over the years. You have to admire Dave Wilson for always attempting to tweek his product better. The cabinets are great and do a great job of minimizing any vibrations from interfering with driver performance. Few companies do it better. For example, JM Labs makes great drivers and beautifull cabinets but put very little thought into vibration control, even in the Utopia line. I had a pair of Mini Utopias and the cabinets looked great but vibrated like hell. Same is true of their larger speakers. I was thinking of buying a pair of Wilson Maxx2's. They have the best bass that I ever heard out of a speaker but the treble region was very hard and caused ear fatigue after a hour of listening. I wondered why because I have always loved the sound of Focal Utopia tweeters, having owned Watt3 Puppies with updated tweeters. Seems that Wilson crosses over to the tweeter at 1200hz on that speaker. Seems insanely low to me without using a digital crossover with extremely steep slopes. I suspect that is why they sound so fast and detailed but hard. I would cross the tweeter over at a higher point. Anyway, there are many great speakers out there. I used to own Wilson speakers but don't right now(I have a custom made system that uses a DEQX crossover/preamp that I am still attempting to adjust properly; their manual is a tough read!). I think the people who put down Wilson generally can't afford them and are just pissed off that they cost so much. But if you look at what he does to optimize all those different parameters that make the difference between a good speaker and a great speaker(cabinet design, crossovers, drivers, size and weight and resulting shipping and crating cost, etc.), their markups are probably not crazy. All that detailed sound you get from a Wilson speaker comes from all that attention to detail which at the margin doesn't come cheap. The law of marginal returns. Thanks. Ned.