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David Shapiro was right by dumping the temptations for the MBL.

I will post my pictures tomorrow. MMiles and I greed that was the best most dynamic and ethereal yet palpable soundfield we have ever heard. I am already devising a plan to implent MBL's in future cinema designs.
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I'm not surprised. I thought the MBL's were hands down the best sounding speakers at the RMAF as well.

They look pretty cool too!

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No contest it creamed the big dynaudios, though the 30th anniversary Saphyre did sound phenomenally snappy or alternatively authoritatevely. The speakers from Esoteric and Snell a7, and Illusion LCR did sound great too. These use Magnesium Alloys for the mid ranges, very very fast.
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What's the MSRP on these Alien looking devices? The MBL's have always garnered my attention, but cost I am sure could be prohibitive.

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Peter, you're not laying claim here to give the inventor the idea to invent these? Being the first to install these in one of your systems? For shame!

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Mozvz two hundred, but worth every penny.

And here is the center channel:



And here are the surround speakers to be hung upside down above ear level, 7 channels ideally side center, sides, corner rears, and a single ex.

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Those look like some sort of Klystron relay,enough to decimate an entire continent. Good to hear they sounded great.

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Is this a patented MBL technology?
They look phenomenally different... kudos for that at least.
Somebody is thinking out of the box, that's for sure...

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Somebody is thinking out of the box, that's for sure...


That comment calls for a.....

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I only hit the 29th and 30th floors, butI thought the Nola Baby Grands were spectacular. I wish I could have found the time and energy to get to the other floors!

With my system, In my room, to my ears......
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These things look like they were bought at an 'Alias' tag sale. Love the creativity of it though, very cool.
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Are you referring to the demo in the Sands/Venetian main level room? That room was so reverberant I had to quickly leave when they fired up some Pink Floyd. I suspect right at the middle seat it wasn't too bad, but I'm still bewildered by the concept of hearing more sound bouncing off the room's surfaces than coming directly from the speaker.

In a well treated room these are some interesting speakers that can sound very nice, but the demo room I saw certainly qualifies as a peculiar choice in demonstrating something this exotic. Then again these are meant to be discussion pieces as much as great music reproducers...

Not fair to make such argument. First of all the room was treated with abosrbers, second....I waited 30 minutes to access the middle seat. You do not get a chance to hear this system often. It was well worth the wait. These are some of the best speakers money can buy. I was also fortunate to hear the YG flagship speakers....equally amazing.
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Every year at CES MBL has hands down the best room at the show. Their monster amps are IMO the best SS amps availabe and their new speakers are remarkable. I would agree with eveyone here. The sound is totally holographic. You can walk around the speakers and have a perfect soundstage. If there is any downside I found that the system becomes very fatiguing to my ears.
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External validation by Peter....EEEEEHAAAAAH!!!!!!!
Seriously, I have never looked back. I just finished out the system by buying 8008 monos for the surrounds and center, and MBL's center. Said g'bye to the Evidence center and BAT MC amp.

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Can't comment on the sound but the look of these speakers is 'fascinating'.
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agreed, mbl is a top notch company. i wish their pre's and amps were a bit more affordable. i think they would sell that much more. oh well, wishful thinking!!!

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If there is any downside I found that the system becomes very fatiguing to my ears.

Ditto.
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....I was also fortunate to hear the YG flagship speakers....equally amazing.

I agree. For us, the YG Acoustics ANAT Reference was the tightest cleanest best sounding speaker at the show and the best demo I have ever heard. No audible resonance whatsoever. We thought the MBL was a close second, but it was a "tad" in your face forward (which is perfect for MBL home theater). I think the YG is only $80k less (at $120k/pr I think).

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Cineramax,

Can you describe (if you can remember) the differences you've heard between the 101Es and those 101E "stacks" (or whatever they're called)?

I spent quite awhile listening to the 101Es at a dealer (w/all MBL gear), and I thought they were amazing (although I do agree w/OB - to my ears they became somewhat fatiguing after extended listening).

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Were they playing them at 140 decibels again?

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MM 135 db. Rider I have not heard the 101's since the early nineties in Chicago, all I can say is that this speaker is the ideal Home Theater speaker for those looking for more reaL THAN REAL (THE DIRECTOR'S INTENTIONS NOTHWISTANDING)

I can't say that the demo was in any way fatiguing, the Dynaudio Temptation demo (and I am Mr. Dynaudio) seemed two dimensional and lifeless by comparison. The fact of the matter is that all these high end speakers need to be setup with a Tact Audio or Lyngdorf speaker in multichannel with bass management to fully resolve their potentials.

Even if let's say in the case of the MBL's shooting the sound in all directions if it creates certain room modes and reflections that may induce a slight fatigueness, the tact audio and having more speakers all around you would eliminate the fatigue.

Any fatigue inherent to stereo systems is easily solveable with these two surround processors on steroids.

See the video (my first youtube) Using on wall minispeakers MMiles and I agreed that it was the best surround demonstartion that none of the Audissey partners could ever show.
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Those look like some sort of Klystron relay,enough to decimate an entire continent. Good to hear they sounded great.

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Agree. They look they should be fired from orbit.
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They could be used for remote viewing I think.
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Hi Peter,
I was thinking of the Tact over my present CB 3. I was also going to pick up a Tact 2.2 XP for 2-channel use. Do you think that it is necessary if I get the Tact TCS Mk iii?

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those are some of the most beautiful yet uggliest speakers I have ever seen.
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Mozvz two hundred, but worth every penny.

The entire MBL set-up at CES as shown in Cineramax's picture (incuding some electronics off to the side) was $400k USD.

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Hi Peter,
I was thinking of the Tact over my present CB 3. I was also going to pick up a Tact 2.2 XP for 2-channel use. Do you think that it is necessary if I get the Tact TCS Mk iii?

Thanks,
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Absolutely for multichannel recordings it is a must for 2 reasons A) Cause you can get MC sacd/dvda/DTS Master/DolbyTrue over HDMI (from a lowly $170 oppo [which according to Kal Rubinson is a great digital transport] to a new $6,500 Esoteric ), B) because any speAker that shoots sound in all directions to achieve Nirvana is taking a big risk with subbersive reflections (what I suspect may irritate some of the more seasoned golden ears in this thread).

The tact and lygdorf allow you to position the speakers closer to the wall as they do taKE THE ROOM OUT OF THE EQUATION.

I believe the tact /lyndorf technology will further improve all the care you probably have taken in positioning the speakers.

Dolby and Dts did hand out True and Master demo discs with extensive music selections, they both had a couple of tracks (I recall of an African music 7.1 track) that were so rich and complex that are case examples of an argument for a 7.1 MBL system/tact. Another thing that May be right up MBL's alley is Tact's new 1kw pair amplifiers(@4). The MBL had plenty of snap and sizzle in them for the perception of highs being slightly restrained, as D designs tend to be when not room corrected.

FOOTNOTE> For those that don't know David had a 7.1 with temptations and c4's in the rears, just like my best sounding client installation in Brazil. I thought he had it all, he then acted like what at the moment appeared to me as crazy. He sold the Tempations (sacrilege), I was shaking my head all along not believing it. Perhaps a part of my Ego was bruised for dismissing my ideal system so cursorily. Well last Wednesday David came to mind again, he was correct, it is a NO BRAINER. MBL and Multichannel are a match made in heaven.


I asked the owner [normally these high end companies scoff at HT] about a multichannel appication, and he opened his palm face up pointiong at the behemoths:"Can you Imagine a better speaker for surround sound?" I said no. Apparently they have done an install with the 121 used for rears hanging upside down from the ceiling, and using the regular 101 without the hat as the center channel. OMG I have seen the path to ultimate glory!!! I hereby avow not to stop until I achieve surround nirvana with the MBL's.



Is it the end for me and Dynaudios? No the Saphire and the powered pro stuff and inwall/inceiling is tops, but I will be deviating from their taller controlled directivity units towards MBL after Prometheus and Helene. You simply leave to much dynamic spectacle, slam, nuance, and air on the table; it's show business after all, good designers should govern themselves effectively.

These were exquisite and the cheapest truly high end full range speaker:



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Mozvz two hundred, but worth every penny.

$200 is pretty cheap for speakers like these

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Hey Peter,
Are you using a "JVC RS1" digicam to take those pics?
The colors are a "Bit" on the over-saturated side...

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Notice the size of the room they use for demonstration and the distances from room boundaries. Those would need a room that is about 30'x40'x12' to really sound great. That's just reality with big omni directional speakers. The smaller you get or closer to room boundaries, the more clouded the imaging and sound would become.

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