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Been waiting for something to replace my trusty and beloved Proceed AVP2+6. I thought about the Halcro SSP-100 + upgrade, but once I tried it on my home, the proceed was still better in 2-channel.

The classe SSP-800 was designed by the same team that designed the Proceed AVP2, and has lots of great features with two major shortcomings IMO:
1) lack of decoding of truHD and DTS-MA
2) Lack of any Video processing
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the Denon AVP-A1HDCI will probably not have the 2channel performance of the proceed or classe ssp-800, but has lots of great features including 4 1792A DACs per channel, HQV Realta for video processing, Audyssey Pro, and dual differential outputs. $7K





wanted to get your feedback and see if you guys can lay some comments on these two pieces!
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I don't have any experience with either of these pieces but let me say this:
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1) lack of decoding of truHD and DTS-MA

This need not be a problem if your source device can do the decoding instead. Many Blu-Ray players can decode these codecs for you. There is no sound quality benefit to doing it in the processor.

And of course, depending upon your display, you may not need a video processor.

So if you like the Classe, I personally don't think the two cited reasons should stop you from getting it.

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I can only guess as neither piece is availble, but I would guess that the Denon is going to be more flexible/configurable. I would also guess the HDMI is more stable as they have had 2 years of testing on thier HDMI implementaions.

I would guess that the Classe will have a cleaner sound, even though the players will have to decode the TruHD and DTS-MA.

If you want a bug free unit out of the gate, I think that the Denon will be better for you. If you want the absolute best sound, and can deal with some instabilty at first, then the Classe should be your choice.
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I don't have any experience with either of these pieces but let me say this:This need not be a problem if your source device can do the decoding instead. Many Blu-Ray players can decode these codecs for you. There is no sound quality benefit to doing it in the processor.

And of course, depending upon your display, you may not need a video processor.

So if you like the Classe, I personally don't think the two cited reasons should stop you from getting it.

I've heard the pros/cons on each side, and have personally tried both methods. Not to derail this thread, but one of the reasons I'm a bit on the "bitstream to pre/pro" camp is that letting the decoding on the player and sending to the processor (whether analog or xPCM) have had severe LFE issues on both. Studios should eventually fix this problem, but still...

Also, although video is not a big issue per se, it would be nice to have something like the HQV realta chip on board....for SD content, and 720broadcast content, it does the best job to any chip to date.

having said that, the fact that the SSP-800 will have the Proceed AVP2 DNA in it is really a big plus for me
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letting the decoding on the player and sending to the processor (whether analog or xPCM) have had severe LFE issues on both.

I think this sentence is garbled; I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying here. What "LFE" issues are you talking about? And how can it be the studio's problem? If the problem is on the disc, then it's going to show up no matter where the decoding is done. If the problem is that the source device isn't decoding properly---then you need a new source device. But the same argument could be made for a processor, too.

Have you given thought to the Integra 9.8? I know it's not in the same price range but price and quality are not perfectly correlated!

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What about the new Cary Cinema 11a with HDMI 1.3? I would think that coupled with an external video processor could be a viable option? You are welcome to come to Sarasota and listen to it for yourself as soon as they release it and I get mine.
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I think this sentence is garbled; I'm afraid I don't understand what you're saying here. What "LFE" issues are you talking about? And how can it be the studio's problem? If the problem is on the disc, then it's going to show up no matter where the decoding is done. If the problem is that the source device isn't decoding properly---then you need a new source device. But the same argument could be made for a processor, too.

Have you given thought to the Integra 9.8? I know it's not in the same price range but price and quality are not perfectly correlated!

most players decoding the new formats internally and passing it via HDMI as xPCM to the processor seem to be suffering from a -10dB drop on the LFE channel. Similar issues have been found on most players with analog outputs as well, where the LFE channel was somehow underwhelmed. Seems that after much research, it has been found that most studios purposely took the -10dB level drop expecting the processor to compensate for it, but so far, most processors have not implemented such feature.

there are tons of threads about this on the Blu-ray subforum.

as for the integra 9.8/Onkyo 885, yes, they are in consideration as well. I've been following their threads dialy and seem to be a real winner for the price. My concern with them is that several AVR owners that had the 9.8 have actually returned them due to the perceived better music performance on the AVRs (like the Denon 3808 and 5803)...obviously there are many others that have experienced quite the opposite, but again, it certainly is not a great sign. Additionally, I am hoping to get a chance to hear one in person, but if the 905 is any indication (which I've tried), the SQ is nowhere near the proceed I have.

But yes, it still is in the list of contenders for now.
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Even though the SSP-800 won't decode tru-hd and dts-ma at launch units may later on. The built in scaler is nice, I like the gennum in my avm-50; makes sd and broadcast hd look better. I would still stick with the classe though. The best system I heard was Classe cp-500 preamp cdp-300 player, ca-2200 amp on B&W signature diamond speakers.
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most players decoding the new formats internally and passing it via HDMI as xPCM to the processor seem to be suffering from a -10dB drop on the LFE channel.

That's truly weird---thanks for the info.

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I see lack of video processing as a plus... If they added their own, it would likely be sub standard.

Bitstreaming audio to the pre/pro is certainly preferred in my opinion. It is simpler for the player to send and the pre/pro to decode.

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And the next time some marketing genius decides the world needs another audio codec... it's suddenly not simpler anymore.

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what do you guys think of the audio quality between the two? I obviously think the Classe will be superior, but how much?
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what do you guys think of the audio quality between the two? I obviously think the Classe will be superior, but how much?

Denon is very feature rich, but comes up very short when it comes to SQ (IMHO).

If you're looking to explore other alternatives and audio is very important: the Krell S-1000 pre/pro will have an HDMI 1.3 upgrade available in March, so it will do TrueHD & MA. $8K w/HDMI upgrade. A 1080p scalar option will also be available; don't know cost on that.

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Been waiting for something to replace my trusty and beloved Proceed AVP2+6. I thought about the Halcro SSP-100 + upgrade, but once I tried it on my home, the proceed was still better in 2-channel.

Boy that says something about the AVP2 (I know I had one). They actually use a different Dac for the center channel. But how about the Halcro for movies? From the reading here, it does a great job for movies and that is what it's designed for. I do think however that a SSP's 2 channel sound is reflective of what's being reproduced in 5 or 7 channels.

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what do you guys think of the audio quality between the two? I obviously think the Classe will be superior, but how much?

Without hearing both one would have a hard time guessing. I would suspect the Classe to be smoother and fuller sounding, than the current 600 which sounded very good IMO. The Halcro SSP is one unit I have never heard so I can't comment on that. That's why I bought the #40. It's one less piece of equipment that I have to worry about replacing I'm not concerned on what's coming around the corner.
Now, if I can just find a projector to do the same I'll be laughing.

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Boy that says something about the AVP2 (I know I had one). They actually use a different Dac for the center channel. But how about the Halcro for movies? From the reading here, it does a great job for movies and that is what it's designed for. I do think however that a SSP's 2 channel sound is reflective of what's being reproduced in 5 or 7 channels.

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I once posed a question to Harmon about the DAC's in the AVP2 + 6 that I owned and this is what Harmon gave me as an answer:

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harman specialty group Customer Service CALL # 272840

8/9/2007 1:54:00 PM APRESCOT AVP DAC question
Hello, Charles;
The AVP2 has 8 identical DACS that process information at 192Khz. The
original AVP had 8 identical DACS that processed information at 96Khz.

Best Regards
HSG Technical Services
Mark Levinson/Proceed

On a personal level, I have no idea if this is correct, but this is the information they provided.

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I don't have any experience with either of these pieces but let me say this:This need not be a problem if your source device can do the decoding instead. Many Blu-Ray players can decode these codecs for you. There is no sound quality benefit to doing it in the processor.

And of course, depending upon your display, you may not need a video processor.

So if you like the Classe, I personally don't think the two cited reasons should stop you from getting it.

The tact tcs NOT ONLY DECODES but puts it out in 4 spdif/aes ebu. Certainly there is an advantage to that.
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I listened attentively to the Denon, and while a competent piece, and with excellent snell speakers, it's audio grade is not much different from the Integra and Onkyo flagships.

In contrast the Lyngdorf system really was an order of magnitude cleaner. I assume the tact in surround mode does too.
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Here is a very interesting post I read on the SSP 800 and the lack of on-board SSP decoding of TrueHD and DTS-HD. Made a lot of sense and following his posts I can tell you he has a lot of experience with classe.

http://www.htguide.com/forum/showpos...2&postcount=89

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you really shouldn't look at the potential loss of an on-board SSP decoder for Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD MA as a deal breaker, that would be short sighted.

In a perfect world the player would do all of the necessary mixing of audio streams and decoding and the SSP/AVR would do all of the necessary post processing, bass management and spatial computations. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. The marketing juggernaut that is the Internet has seen fit to alter our perceptions of what the perfect world is by convincing us to believe that on-board SSP decoding leads to the promise land.

The reality is on-board SSP decoding is not what the studios see as the promise land but rather as the land of misplaced opportunity. According to Classe', the studios that they recently approached have no intention of allowing the audio streams to be decoded anywhere but the player. According to the studios, it is impractical to feed an outboard decoder the numerous data streams that must be mixed. Furthermore, when Classe' approached the studios about the matter they were strangely looked at because the studio's couldn't understand why it was thought that the decoding should take place anywhere else but in the player!

Infrastructure support between the player and the SSP will be insufficient to support the advanced codecs if the studios won't correctly allow the transfer of the RAW bit-streams; rendering this entire discussion a moot point. So unless the software allows it, on-board SSP decoding would go unrealized. Why incur the extra expense in an SSP for a feature that may never be utilized? I'll tell you... marketability and influence. The reality is people are persuaded by features whether they need them or not and Classe' wants to sell SSPs.

Anyone remember HDCD? Has the lack of software support deterred your non-HDCD CD spending habits? I don't think so. Likewise, the lack of software supporting the RAW bit streams enabling HD audio support for outboard decoders won't deter your HD media spending habits either. Trust me!

If anyone is wondering what sort of impact these intentions the studios have will have on Classe's decision to release an advanced decoder upgrade the short answer is it will probably matter very little. Ironic? Not really. It will remove any potential need for Classe' to explain away why it wasn't necessary in the first place. As I said people have a preference for features even if they will never use them. Marketability and influence can be equally powerful as a friend or a foe. Classe' may be smarter to have that on its side rather than to side against it for the proper reasons.

But if Classe' doesn't offer the upgrade you might be wondering what this means to the players that don't include the necessary advanced decoders required to work in full tandem with an SSP-800? My answer would be that it means to avoid them and choose another player that does or will, ( a.k.a. PS3 ). The Blu-ray audio specification doesn't require that the advanced audio codecs be used at all, and all HD-DVD players are required to provide the advanced Dolby decoders anyway! Furthermore, most people looking for an HD player are primarily interested in HD video not HD audio and they may prefer not to spend the extra money for what they don't think they need in a player and will choose those accordingly. Need proof? Consider the plethora of 128kbps lossy compressed iTunes music files and mp3 downloads and there you'll have it!

For people that do want HD audio, generally enthusiasts with an insatiable need to pursue the grail of high-performance audio, they will most likely be willing to spend the extra money to get that last bit of performance from a player that offers advanced decoding as a service. However, the reality is you don't need HD audio to fully enjoy HD video, this is something the masses already know that the rest tend to forget or neglect (Lossy vs new lossless/PCM formats.). That's why both types of players exist (some with and some without the advanced decoders) and why they will continue in this fashion for a while. Need more proof? Recall what happened to SACD and DVD-A players and there you'll have it!

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"the studio’s couldn’t understand why it was thought that the decoding should take place anywhere else but in the player!"

Too bad the player mfgr's don't feel the same way; AFAIK there isn't a single player that decodes both TrueHD and DTS-MA, and very few that do the latter.

Maybe they just want to milk all they can out of early adopters willing to fork out for the next incremental improvement, though that would be shortsighted and contributing to the stillborn HD disk market.

Perhaps it's just because the decoding chip pipeline has yet to be filled, like what happened with HDMI 1.3 chips.

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"According to Classe', the studios that they recently approached have no intention of allowing the audio streams to be decoded anywhere but the player."

"... if the studios won't correctly allow the transfer of the RAW bit-streams"

He didn't specify which studios Classe "recently approached," but does anyone know how valid this is? In essence he seems to be contending that the studios won't allow TrueHD or DTS-MA to be output via native bitstream from the player for decoding by the pre/pro. Is this currently the case with most/some/any Blu-Ray discs?

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How can the studios control bitstream decoding in the processor anyways...?

THere are receivers and some low grade processors that do it already. Almot all players alow bitstream in lieu of LPCM output.. Knowing that, I am surprised Classe' didn't include it in their expensive processor??

How could the studios control this (and is this controversy why the heavies (e.g. Meridian, Lexicon, Halcro, etc do not have HDMI 1.3 solutions)? Corrupt it ? I doubt it..


Ot Putting my cynic hat on, is this Classe just trying to rationalize why they left out a KEY feature on a very expensive pre/pro...

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Here is a good summary of the LFE -10dB issue (at least, I think it's a good one).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

I can see why this favors processor-based decoding for the masses, but for the higher end, I'm still not convinced. If you're going to pay $8K for a processor, you are (I hope!) going to do the diligence required to make sure that your source devices do the right thing, too. If, as ssabprio said, "most" HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players don't apply the 10dB boost when decoding high-res formats, then that implies there are "some" that do. Just get one of those, then!

Furthermore, many receivers can apply a 10dB boost (or cut!) on a PCM LFE channel. So as long as you don't try to do any bass management in the source device, you have the ability to make the correction in the receiver even if the decoding is done in the player. Does the Classe have that capability?

I certainly understand how frustrating this issue must be. But it seems to me that there are at least a couple of different ways to get the correct final result. So ruling out the Classe just because it doesn't do internal decoding of DTS-MA and trueHD seems a shame if you like its other features, and you can find an alternate solution to the -10dB LFE issue.

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Obviosly the questions you are asking about the post i linked i cant answer, but the thread it came from has the best info on Classe and the SSP 800 I can find on the net, and some good posts of player vs Pro decoding. Here is a more detailed post on the SSP itself from the thread and a link to the original thread if you want some of your questions answered..

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Now that I think we have cleared the air on the indifference between player based and processor based decoded signals I would like to return to the heart of this thread regarding the exciting developments taking place at Classe'.

The SSP-800 is going to be one helluva high-performance machine for both two-channel music and multi-channel movie sources. The processor has been designed to use up to 10 layer PCBs which will provide better isolation between power and ground planes and will reduce potentially harmful interference thus improving signal integrity. There is a linear relationship between multi-layers and increasing costs but the net result will be much better performance. I have been told that the internal board layouts are stunning but this information may only matter to gear heads like myself. However, it should be understood that board design is crucial to squeezing out the most from the electric circuits and accompanying components but many people do not know this. It's this kind of attention to detail plus the combination of component choices and implementations that make all the difference in the world between SSPs.

The DAE-7 upgradeable module used in the SSP-800 is capable of supporting the optional THX Ultra 2 post-processing feature set but I have yet to confirm from Classe' that they will implement it. The DAE-7 also supports Dolby Pro Logic IIx; DPLIIx was missing in the first generation of SSPs. Another missing feature of the 1Gs that should also make it into the SSP-800 is dts-96/24.

Other than these and other previously posted technical aspects, what makes the SSP-800 a potential kick-ass product? One word, Proceed! Anyone familiar with the legacy of the Mark Levinson processors and Proceed AVPs knows how important a statement this is. The Proceed AVP2 is still recognized to this day as being one of the best if not the best processor that has been made. While the SSP-600 that Classe' produced can go toe-to-toe with the AVP2 the SSP-800 will deliver the knock out punch. Why? Because the principle engineer behind the ML and Proceed processors is part of the Classe' Design Team that built the SSP-800 from the ground up to be the best processor ever made. The SSP-600 already carries some of the ML/Proceed heritage but the SSP-800 is a direct descendant from the ML/Proceed gene pool and is the culmination of its prized legacy. When you consider the SSP-800 is the combination of Classe's prowess for high-performance stereo and bequeathed ML/Proceed multi-channel surround sound genetics, but better, you have yourself one helluva high-performance machine!

In the past Classe' has been pretty tight lipped about their plans for an HD player. But in recent weeks shifts in the format war have put Classe' into a position where they can begin to make some decisions about it going forward. While Classe' doesn't know whether they will build an HD player they do know they will make a decision about it within the next six months. Classe' is not interested nor are they willing to re-brand an HD player just to have one in their arsenal. They believe such a choice would compromise what they are all about so they just won't do it. They have a deep passion to better the existing and if making it better can't be done or if it would be to costly to do it then they won't attempt it. Classe' has formed strategic partnerships to assist in their goals of taking high-end audio to the next level and such would be the case with an HD player. If the potential investment they make can be amortized over the life cycle of a product and a profit realized while achieving the desired design goal of the product then Classe' will build an HD player, otherwise they won't. Classe' is currently working with it's partners to determine the feasibility of building a high-performance HD player and if it's doable then we should know some time later in the year.

As for the Omega Series it will be discontinued. The Omega SACD player and pre-amplifier have already been dismissed. No further SACD development or product releases will occur for either the Omega or Delta lines. For the time being Classe' is focused on filling out and improving their Delta Series line-up so no attention to the Omega Series will be paid at present. However, long term plans includes a new vision for the Omega line which will no longer be titled as such. Instead the Omega name will be reincarnated into something else yet to be determined. Development efforts for the new line are on hold until then as the team continue's to channel their efforts on the Delta Series.


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Sounds to me like Classe if full of shitee...
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How can the studios control bitstream decoding in the processor anyways...?

I believe a lot of player operational control is built into the authoring tools on DVDs (e.g., whether or not your player will allow you to skip or FF past the FBI warning (or you're forced to sit and stare at it) at the beginning of a disc is determined by software on the disc*). I don't know if that extends to control of codecs on HD DVDs also....?

*Sony Studios is my favorite - they make you sit thru the FBI warning plus like a dozen warnings and disclaimers (in various languages)....

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"The processor has been designed to use up to 10 layer PCBs which will provide better isolation between power and ground planes and will reduce potentially harmful interference thus improving signal integrity."

Huh...??
Power on a digital/small-signal PCB is a low DC voltage...what "potentially harmful interference" is he talking about? AFAIK multi-layer PCBs are for increased component density and optimized component arrangement...

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Here is a good summary of the LFE -10dB issue (at least, I think it's a good one).

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748147

I can see why this favors processor-based decoding for the masses, but for the higher end, I'm still not convinced. If you're going to pay $8K for a processor, you are (I hope!) going to do the diligence required to make sure that your source devices do the right thing, too. If, as ssabprio said, "most" HD-DVD/Blu-Ray players don't apply the 10dB boost when decoding high-res formats, then that implies there are "some" that do. Just get one of those, then!

Furthermore, many receivers can apply a 10dB boost (or cut!) on a PCM LFE channel. So as long as you don't try to do any bass management in the source device, you have the ability to make the correction in the receiver even if the decoding is done in the player. Does the Classe have that capability?

I certainly understand how frustrating this issue must be. But it seems to me that there are at least a couple of different ways to get the correct final result. So ruling out the Classe just because it doesn't do internal decoding of DTS-MA and trueHD seems a shame if you like its other features, and you can find an alternate solution to the -10dB LFE issue.

I was actually being very generous when I said "a lot of the players"....the correct statement should have been, "almost all players except the Pioneer 95 and Samsung 1400 have the LFE issues" So no, niether of those players is good enough to meet my needs, and the rest of them have this problem which i do NOT need to introduce in my system. The upcoming Denon 3800 and marantz counterpart may have this issue resolved, but at 2K a pop, a bit steep just to insure compatibility of this (among other features of course).

The reality is that, although you are right and there are certain ways one can fix this problem, the issue is why would anyone want to upgrade and pay $8k for a processor that will undoubtedly have certain issues with LFE via PCM? Sending the bitstream to the ssp for decoding, Bass management, room correction, auto leveling, etc (to your heart's desire), without the worry of the unwanted introduction of issues like this, is certainly not much to expect..........if I were buying a $700 outlaw pre/pro perhaps I could take it, but spending 7-8k on a processor in 2008 and not having DTS-MA bitstream capabilities is certainly a big CON, no matter how you slice it.

Still, the classe certainly is high on my list, but with all the myriads of features on a $1600 integra/onkyo pre/pro, and a full realm of features on the denon, it is a bit hard to swallow.

But I'm still open to hear more comments and opinions for sure.
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ssabprio, thanks for the discussion. I do hope the players resolve this issue soon, so that you have a wider variety of options to choose from. For now it seems that, unfortunately, you are constrained by practical circumstances to avoid a processor that you might otherwise like---but is being handicapped by issues on the source device side.

Does the Classe have a 10dB LFE boost feature, like some other processors have, to compensate for this problem?

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I'm a Krell user in a 5.1 environment, thinking I would upgrade my processor (HTS 5.1) to the most current tech in the Integra 9.8 and the Onkyo Pro. I went with the Onkyo Pro given the nod by many here towards the 2 channel performance. Let me first say that I have a dedicated pre pure analog for 2 channel audio and that's my primary focus. With that said, the ONkyo Pro, with all of it's 1.3 HDMI onboard decoding of every bell and whistle, couldn't compete on sound quality at the 2 channel level, but even worse, using uncompressed 5.1 streams could't compete with the old tride and true DD and DTS against my aging Krell processor. The dynamics just weren't there. Sooo, I went in another direction picking up an HDMI-less HTS 7.1 to take advantage of the analog multichannel inputs pairing with the upcoming Pioneer/Panny/Denon/Marantz units. I realize I'm taking a risk by counting on these players to have onboard management, but the trade off in sound quality going with the current generation of processors was just too great. Based on the announcements at CES of fully capable players, it just seemed a no brainer to stick with the high quality sound processor, and let the player do the heavy lifting. But hey, just my personal experience and opinion...
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How can the studios control bitstream decoding in the processor anyways...?

As rider pointed out, studios can control your player through the content they issue. Notice how the skip and fast-forward buttons on your remote are momentarily disabled when the FBI warning is playing? When hi-def players first came out, titles authored in Advanced mode wouldn't allow players to bitstream (which changed during the past year).
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(and is this controversy why the heavies (e.g. Meridian, Lexicon, Halcro, etc do not have HDMI 1.3 solutions)?

Some of the high-end companies probably would like the new decoders built into their processors, if not for anything then at least to give users the option of where to decode. It's just their development cycles are sometimes longer than mass market receivers and pre-pros, so they take a while to come out with new gear. It's not a matter of if, only a matter of when.
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Putting my cynic hat on, is this Classe just trying to rationalize why they left out a KEY feature on a very expensive pre/pro...

Certainly reads that way. If they had decoders in their pre-pro, they'd be talking about the advantages of doing that.

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