Originally Posted by coldmachine
Chris, Im trying to understand your post. It just seems to say that Genelec and Dynaudio monitors are too accurate for you. You say they are "relentlessly clean and undistorted flat response etc etc" but not suitable for "critical" use. I think critical listening needs "relentlessly clean and undistorted flat response etc etc".
To a point. Some of their studio monitors are more pleasing to listen to. Studio monitors, if you've ever spent a lot of time with them, aren't always the most enjoyable to listen to. And the yamaha's that are widely used are downright mediocre, but they are a good thing to mix on because they help lead to a portable mix. The world's greatest speakers don't really force the mixing engineer to work much, since it'll sound good and natural no matter what pretty much. The custom install stuff for home theater that Genelec makes is rightly designed for extremely high output, and to do that very cleanly. However, if you're not just going for huge SPL for a long time and incredibly resiliant to abuse, you can go after many other sound quality attributes that may concern a music listener. Again, there are some incredible sounding commercial cinema speakers out there, but the design goals for a speaker like that don't necessarily make them the BEST for enjoyment of music. They can do quite well with music, but how many people have left a movie theater (I mean a high-performance commercial cinema, the ArcLight, or THX certified Cinerama etc, not just some crap multiplex POS) and thought "wow, that was a great musical experience." Hardly happens.
Also if "high quality commercial cinema is your frame of reference" Genelecs would be a waste of money.
I dont understand how accuracy is at odds with enjoyment. For me they are inextricably linked.
Well, again, in my opinion, they are to a certain degree. There are some basic things that we want in terms of accuracy, but accuracy comes at different kinds of SPL. To get clean flat response with little distortion at the astronomical SPL that the Genelec stuff is capable of, some other things naturally get left behind. And for THAT task and goal, that is the right choice to make. But who wants to listen to music at 110+ db all the time? Not me.
Now, it depends what the goal is. For music listening, I take a few more liberties with speakers, and bias myself towards enjoyment. For instance, Dynaudio uses first order crossovers and maintains phase coherence much better. These are things that sacrifice some other aspects, such as frequency response. However, they lead to, in my listening experience, some of the most incredible imaging I've ever heard. A speaker like Revel, makes a different choice, and attains a different sound, that in my opinion seems more accurate. Also a fantastic speaker, different design choice. If I were listening at a mixing booth, or wanted to analyze what exactly was in the recording from an analytical perspective, I'd go with the Revels. But at home, I want to listen to music, and I want to enjoy that music, and something like Dynaudios, while still very accurate, take a few different choices that put them more on the path (IMO) of musical enjoyment.
So that's, again my own opinion and preference. And this same post might very much encourage someone to go buy the Genelecs, if they DO indeed want analytical, clean and undistorted performance in a theater at ungodly SPL. But for music in a 2-channel system, the Genelecs just don't have any magic, they're not really too enjoyable, unless and until you're taking advantage of that ungodly SPL capability and blasting rock music through the roof. If that's the goal, get the Genelecs. That's not MY goal, so that's why they're not my preference. But some people want that, and that's a perfectly reasonable desire.