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post #61 of 71 Old 03-12-2009, 09:57 PM
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Thank you for the extra info. In comparable environments the new JBL Syn and Klipsch THX U2 probably have similar sound. I would guess that the Klipsch would probably sound less aggressive than the JBL Syn. That could also be said of the Klipsch THX U2 compared to most of the Klipsch products. There is a significant level of refinement to them, especially as horn designs go. Certainly the PSBs will have a very different sound character...as do Revels. I have an associate who looked into the Klipsch, but prefered the Revel sound to which he was accustomed. All fine products, each with its own signature character that provides us with variety.

The Klipsch THX Ultra II system is a little on the dry side, very dynamic, intense and matter of fact. The system when properly integrated into a media room which is fairly easy for most A/V professionals provides 95% of what Home Theater enthusiasts are looking for in a multi-channel home theater system.... WOW! The system does that without even breaking a sweat.
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The Klipsch THX Ultra II system is a little on the dry side, very dynamic, intense and matter of fact. The system when properly integrated into a media room which is fairly easy for most A/V professionals provides 95% of what Home Theater enthusiasts are looking for in a multi-channel home theater system.... WOW! The system does that without even breaking a sweat.

Good description. I've lived with it for a few years and heard it in a number of types of rooms from reference dedicated rooms to multi-purpose family media rooms. Very versitile, but always impressive.

For the sake of staying on topic, I've heard a number of Synthesis systems that were extremely impressive, as well.
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I hesitate to do this, but what the heck.

After several months of DIY construction and consultation with an LA-area HT installation and design company whose direct services I couldn't afford, the room was finally finished in late June. There were lots of misadventures along the way as original construction surprises cropped up with regularity. We rethought the design at least five times.

The entire project, I was disciplined enough to keep all the Synthesis® gear in the original boxes. Even though I'd gone all the way to Tennessee to audition the system, the many negative comments here had worked to produce in me a sense of FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) over the intervening period.

The designer had spec'd where to put the absorbers, diffusers, bass traps, surrounds, etc. He had me build a proscenium so all three mains would be at identical height and distance. He had me install two dedicated 20A circuits, run the speaker cables in the walls and away from all power, etc., spec'd the racks and closet location. He talked me into buying a Stewart Luxus Deluxe StudioTek 130 microperf screen so the center was behind it.

Then he came to do the rack equipment install, and I finally took everything out of the boxes. It was exciting of course, and when we finally fired it up, I was wowed by how good it sounded out of the box. That was more of a testament to the room, which had really taken on quite an attractive, audible shift in quality as the treatments went up. I remember thinking that my room "sounded" better than the demo room I had listened in, which had sounded hard and very live the moment I walked into it.

A week later the JBL Synthesis® calibration took place, eight hours or so of mind-numbing noise as everything was checked, re-checked, then checked again. It was interesting to see the curves change as the proprietary DACS unit did its job under the control of a guy who had set up rooms all over the US and Europe. Then it was all uploaded to the SDEC.

When he ran sound checks with real music, I was almost misty eyed as I heard how much, how wonderfully it had improved. Sure, a lot of it was subjective wish fulfillment, but I also had the screen shots of the before, during, and after curves for each individual speaker and the system as a whole as proof of what had transpired.

As a rule I have not and do not like horn-based designs very much. Yet, I've got horns across the front, and they are simply amazing. They don't sound like horns; they don't sound like direct radiators (or ribbons, or 'stats, or planes); they sound like music.

For those who were concerned that I had purchased a system they didn't like, perhaps based on their outdated experience, I can reassure you, it's the best hi-fi $$$ I've ever invested. For those who wonder if JBL Synthesis® is a legitimate option, my answer is obvious: yes. For me, it was the best option of all I heard, and the end result was even more than I expected.

Even if some folks want to continue to downplay JBL synthesis® and feel that my deliberate choice was poor, perhaps we can all agree on three things to get the most out of a higher end system:

1) You need a properly prepared and treated room. If you can't afford to have it done professionally, at least pay for a good consultant, and do what he tells you.
2) You need great equipment that meets your intended and anticipated uses. Focus on your needs rather than overly depending on the opinions, often compelling, of others whose needs may not reflect yours.
3) You need a great calibration. For most of us, this means paying a pro.

What I can afford, when I can afford it...
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Congratulations. Your happiness is what matters.

I fully agree with numbers one and two. As to three there are some high end equalizer systems that will do an amazing job automatically. Expert in a box.

Enjoy your new HT in good health.
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Sounds like you got what you want, and more importantly, you got the EXPERIENCE you were after - not a collection of individual parts that look good on paper.
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Sounds like you got what you want, and more importantly, you got the EXPERIENCE you were after - not a collection of individual parts that look good on paper.

That's a brilliant statement! Experience is precisely the right word.

What Syn speakers did you wind up with, filecat?
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That's a brilliant statement! Experience is precisely the right word.

What Syn speakers did you wind up with, filecat?

It's the Synthesis® One Array, which in my case includes these:

3 SAM1HF and 3 SAM2LF units across the front
http://www.jblsynthesis.com/products...&Region=EUROPE
http://www.jblsynthesis.com/products...&Region=EUROPE

4 S4Ai surrounds
http://www.jblsynthesis.com/products...&Region=EUROPE

2 S1S-EX subs
http://www.jblsynthesis.com/products...&Region=EUROPE

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Outstanding. I'm sure they are spectacular. There are very good reasons for that. Take a look at the two quick spec links, one for yours, and one for the SAM3. Amazingly, truely detailed data graphs are provided for these; on/off axis, total sound power, and directivity index. Try getting that for 99% of other consumer speakers. Look how incredibly smooth they are even off axis at the crossover range.

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Qu...F%20QSpecs.pdf

http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Qu...F%20QSpecs.pdf

Certainly my dream system. Enjoy!
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The equalization box (SDEC 4500) is long in the tooth and is far behind other products providing the some functions......
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Genelec is an option (a good one). Get a more current, fresh surround processor, along with something along the lines of the QSC DSP322UA ... less money better performance..
Dennis, I know this is an old thread, but I very interested in why you think the SDEC (or the BSS Soundwebs equivalent for that matter) is far behind the QSC. If you look at pure specs, they look identical, and both offer an open architecture solution where you can make more units function as one, create your own design for six surrounds og 7 subwoofers. The BSS actually supports digital inputs which you wanted for christmas for the QSC smile.gif

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Because it is an old thread pre-BSS days.

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that right,I have heard the Synth several times I was not that impressed it was just loud that's all,thanks
What system did you hear?

JBL Synthesis | Crown | BSS Soundweb
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