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post #361 of 3755 Old 03-13-2009, 07:38 AM
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I've got tubes in my signal path, yep. That's why I love my Butler amps so much...I love the hybrid concept...the "balls" of solid state plus a touch of warmth and richness from the tube stage. I really didn't know a lot about tube gear when I started looking into it a couple of years ago, but I heard a lot of people saying that things can sometimes get "too tubey". One of the qualities I like my system to exhibit is transparency, but as with anything else, too much of a good thing can become not so good...and too much transparency can lead to sterility. So what I did was try and focus on gear that allowed me a nice balance, and I think that's what I've accomplished.

I honestly think that people are just not thrilled with the aesthetics of the Butler amps, cause otherwise people must be nuts not to be using these more with Maggies. I honestly thought I was going to have to sell the Butler and pick up some massive SS amp for the 3.6s, but that hasn't been the case at all...it's been the exact opposite. I had contacted Mr. Butler about the match, and he told me that he actually used to run shows with Magnepan, so he was very familiar with the synergy between the products and thought it was some pretty tremendous sound. Well, I agree!

But yeah, so far my experience with tubes and Maggies is a match made in heaven....I'll never go back to strictly SS gear.


I'm really glad to hear about your experience, as I'm about to head down what sounds like a very similar path (Maggies and tubes). We're getting a rather large addition built on to our house, including a basement home theater room for me (the wife gets her new kitchen upstairs).

I used to have MMG's a few years back and I've always wanted to come back to that amazing sound so in part, I'm going to design the space/layout with a Maggie music/HT setup in mind. I'm trying to do it as cost effective as possible but still get what I want. So far, I've arranged to buy a gently used pair of 3.5Rs for the mains. I'm also in negotiations to buy a used Butler TDB-5150 amp. Next up will be center (thinking CC3) and surrounds (MC1's). For a sub (only for HT), I'm thinking of an ACI Titan XL or a used Martin Logan Depth. Room size is going to be approx 20 x 22 (I can post a sketch later of the basic layout if anyone's interested - I haven't decided 100% where to place everything). AV source will be a front projector.

The construction will be done over the next 5-6 months or so I'm starting to get psyched about my room and my Maggie setup!
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One of the qualities I like my system to exhibit is transparency, but as with anything else, too much of a good thing can become not so good...and too much transparency can lead to sterility.

Try Viagra. No seriously, I can't agree with that statement. Unless your goal is to get a particular "sound" (read distortion), the goal of any high end system should be to reproduce the media without changing it in any way.

Sterility is not possible when dealing with sound reproduction. It may apply to an individual performance, as when the artist is just going through the motions without putting anything into it, but not to the reproduction of the performance.

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If you have access to a table saw and dado head (or router), you can build these for under fifty bucks.

You actually don't need a table saw, provided you have the skill to cut the bottom panel square with a hand saw.


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I'm really glad to hear about your experience, as I'm about to head down what sounds like a very similar path (Maggies and tubes). We're getting a rather large addition built on to our house, including a basement home theater room for me (the wife gets her new kitchen upstairs).

I used to have MMG's a few years back and I've always wanted to come back to that amazing sound so in part, I'm going to design the space/layout with a Maggie music/HT setup in mind. I'm trying to do it as cost effective as possible but still get what I want. So far, I've arranged to buy a gently used pair of 3.5Rs for the mains. I'm also in negotiations to buy a used Butler TDB-5150 amp. Next up will be center (thinking CC3) and surrounds (MC1's). For a sub (only for HT), I'm thinking of an ACI Titan XL or a used Martin Logan Depth. Room size is going to be approx 20 x 22 (I can post a sketch later of the basic layout if anyone's interested - I haven't decided 100% where to place everything). AV source will be a front projector.

The construction will be done over the next 5-6 months or so I'm starting to get psyched about my room and my Maggie setup!


I'm thinking along the lines of what you are trying to decide on. I'm just not convinced that I will get satisfactory results for h/t with the Maggies. Many people here say they will be fine, but it's difficult to think about it because in all my years with h/t setup's, it has been primarily conventional box systems which give you the impact of the movie experience.
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Try Viagra. No seriously, I can't agree with that statement. Unless your goal is to get a particular "sound" (read distortion), the goal of any high end system should be to reproduce the media without changing it in any way.

Sterility is not possible when dealing with sound reproduction. It may apply to an individual performance, as when the artist is just going through the motions without putting anything into it, but not to the reproduction of the performance.

I've heard a lot of analog fans describe digital sources as being "sterile" compared to vinyl reproduction. That's been similar to my experience with SS vs. tube gear. I find that an all-SS system has a bit more of an edge to it, whereas once I started messing around with tubes and got a taste of that touch of warmth I found myself really liking it. Obviously I'm using "sterile" in a subjective way, not as an objective measurable.

Oh, and I don't think you'll have much success treating sterility with viagra
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the goal of any high end system should be to reproduce the media without changing it in any way.

I can't agree with the "accuracy" argument. Different folks listen for (and hear) different things in live music... if in fact they have the opportunity to hear "live" music. If you like the sound of tubes, you should have tubes.

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I've heard a lot of analog fans describe digital sources as being "sterile" compared to vinyl reproduction.

Analog fans listening to vinyl are putting a lot more into the mix than "analog versus digital"... namely the phono cartridge. If you were to run a 15 or 30 IPS half track master on a tape deck that was calibrated the same as the recorder, you would have a very different sound than the vinyl it was mastered to. This is due to the sound of your cartridge. All cartridges have their own signature sound just like speakers. They can be bright, forward, veiled, thin, fat, warm, etc., and the differences between various models and designs is far greater than anything else in a capable system (other than the speakers of course). Without having the analog source the vinyl was mastered from to compare, they have no idea which cartridge might be the most "right". People go with the one that sounds the way "they" want it to in their system.

My experience is that a decent digital master from analog is much closer to the original source than vinyl through a phono cartridge. Because like tubes, the phono cartridge applies its sonic characteristics (which are much more significant), and these are what the vinyl folks are fond of. Different, yes. More accurate... nope. But, it is about what sounds better to you, not what is more accurate.

My issue with components with a large "sonic signature" is that they are great on some things, but usually not on everything. They get in the way of great recordings (where your system is at its best). Just like turning the bass and treble up on a thin, veiled recording, it soon becomes tiresome with a good one.

My experience with better systems is that they are usually less forgiving of lousy recordings, so some folks are actually looking for some coloration to embellish them. Perhaps we should have two setups (and many do). Most serious vinyl heads have several cartridges. Many years ago I had a turntable with three tonearms... yeesh.
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Actually... I was crappy in wood shop. But I think that was due to teachers wasting your time trying to get you to get a square edge with a hand plane as opposed to letting you use the jointer.

Seriously... I am working on a step-by-step document (maybe I'll find time to finish it this weekend), so for those that want a copy... PM me with your email address.
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I've heard a lot of analog fans describe digital sources as being "sterile" compared to vinyl reproduction.

That depends on what digital source we're discussing. Many moons ago, I worked at Bjorn's Audio & Video in San Antonio and one of the nice things about working there is that Bjorn was (and still is) well connected in the AV industry. As a consequence Bjorn had access to a lot of cutting edge gear. This being the case, I got the opportunity to listen to what I believe was the first SACD player (Sony's SACD-1 ?) prior to consumer availablity. The demo was by Sony staff on Sony reference all SS electronics and speakers (also not available to the public). As I sat down for the demo, I had a clear preconception of what I thought I would hear: Mainly hyper-detailed sound-the SACD player would be playing higher-rez material afterall (compared to CD). They started the demo with Miles Davis' Kind of Blue which was great because I was very familiar with the CD. What I heard took me by surprise. I didn't hear any more detail than the CD I owned, but what did sound different was the tone of the recording. To me, it sounded like good turntables on tube gear I heard previously at AV shows. Very smooth and relaxed, not like poorly implemented SS at all.

Summa, I follow what you're saying about SS versus tube sound because I've experienced it at home over the years rotating different amps (including the Butler you own) through a common system. IMO, amps from Mondial (Acurus, Aragon) and ATI has the SS sound you're alluding to, while amps from Conrad Johnson and Butler has a warmer, more lush sound. However, I've also owned two amps that IMO don't sound like stereotypical SS or tubes: The Odyssey Extreme Monoblocks, and the Wyred 4 Sound class D amp I own now. Neither amp really has a signature I can define.

So I guess my long winded point here is that in my experience, just because a amp uses SS circuitry or a source is digital doesn't necessarily mean they'll conform with the traditional audiophile stereotypes associated with each respective component type.

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New 1.6s arrived on Friday, I set them up Saturday and I'm breaking them in now. Though I have subs I'll likely ultimately pair with them, I currently running them full range in "pure direct" two channel mode via my Denon prepro. I have them elevated 10" above the floor on the giant slayer Lowes modular shelving I used for the MMGs (I simply swapped the vertical supports to get the height I wanted-a two minute job).

I was wondering how much of an improvement the 1.6s would be over the MMGs. The answer, even without break in is quite a bit. It took me some time determine why. I don't think I'm hearing much more detail than with the MMGs, but I think three factors in combination account for the improvement in sound:
1: Better, wider dynamic range (both micro and macro)
2: Bigger, more life like images and soundstaging
3: A more, relaxed sound, even at moderate volume

These observations are all relative. I really had no complaints about the MMG in any of these areas. The 1.6s simply improve on them is such a way that the music sounds even more realistic than with the MMGs (and again, they were no slouches in the realisim department).

I'm already conspiring about 3.6s, but as a practical matter I won't be able to consider until I build my next home (hopefully before the year's end). Because I'm designing it from scratch I can size the listening room (aka: living room) with 3.6s in mind. Make no mistake though: The 1.6s will be more than satisfying in the interim .

I'll break them in for a week or two then, run Audyssey with my subs and see what results I get. This worked very well for the MMGs.

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I was wondering if anyone has noticed significant diference in the sound stage and the hign end between the MMGs and MG12s for 2ch music.

I noticed that the MMGs have better highs than the MG12s but the MG12s had a much better sound stage. It was deeper and taller. Where as the MMGs sound stage is not as good. It is not as deep. MMGs are very clear and I hear a lot of details but the lack of good sound stage bothers me. I am not sure whyy the MG12s didnt have the high end as much as the MMGs. I played both with the subwoofer in my room with the crossover at 80hz. I guess I need to borrow the MG12s again before I make the decision. If the
MG12s had the same high end as the MMGs I would have been sold on them.
My interest is mainly 2ch music. So please exclude any discussion regarding HT.
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New 1.6s arrived on Friday, I set them up Saturday and I'm breaking them in now. Though I have subs I'll likely ultimately pair with them, I currently running them full range in "pure direct" two channel mode via my Denon prepro. I have them elevated 10" above the floor on the giant slayer Lowes modular shelving I used for the MMGs (I simply swapped the vertical supports to get the height I wanted-a two minute job).

I was wondering how much of an improvement the 1.6s would be over the MMGs. The answer, even without break in is quite a bit. It took me some time determine why. I don't think I'm hearing much more detail than with the MMGs, but I think three factors in combination account for the improvement in sound:
1: Better, wider dynamic range (both micro and macro)
2: Bigger, more life like images and soundstaging
3: A more, relaxed sound, even at moderate volume

These observations are all relative. I really had no complaints about the MMG in any of these areas. The 1.6s simply improve on them is such a way that the music sounds even more realistic than with the MMGs (and again, they were no slouches in the realisim department).

I'm already conspiring about 3.6s, but as a practical matter I won't be able to consider until I build my next home (hopefully before the year's end). Because I'm designing it from scratch I can size the listening room (aka: living room) with 3.6s in mind. Make no mistake though: The 1.6s will be more than satisfying in the interim .

I'll break them in for a week or two then, run Audyssey with my subs and see what results I get. This worked very well for the MMGs.

Eric

I dont have the 1.6s but I just wanted to point out that (2) is what I heard with the MG12s and that is the kind of sound stage that is lacking with the MMGs.
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Yep, I've only heard the 1.6s in the shop, but while the MMGs are no slouch in the soundstage department, the 3.6s is absolutely massive. I've always loved that big Maggie sound...
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Do they sound okay if you're sitting closer? Or is it you actually want echoey sound (which is easier accomplished in a small room)? I don't like that myself, so a large room like that would be perfect for me.

Also, try experimenting with toe-in and slant. I didn't notice it much with the MG12, MG1.6, or MG3.6, but it makes a big difference with some other planar speakers. Maybe also the MMGs.

One thing that is very obvious is vertical off-axis response. You really need to keep your head inside the plane of the Magnepan speakers. If you stand up your sound will disappear. The MMG slant or positioning might be making this a problem for you.


My problem is difficult to describe, but it feels like the MMGs just don't "fill" the room and are lacking "punch" now that they're in a bigger room.

However, I was playing with a setup disc yesterday and discovered that despite the MMGs being wired correctly, they were out-of-phase. I reversed the wires on one side and the test tones indicated that they are now in phase. I ran out of time, though, and haven't had a chance to do any critical listening yet. Hopefully, they'll sound better now.
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The 1.6s continue to impress. It's not just a soundstage and imaging advantage or dynamics (though that's all true). The 1.6s are also delivering a; realisim improvement I didn't expect. I owned 1.6's previously on good gear (Theta Casablanca prepro and ATI 2007 balanced amp) but I don't recall that system providing the palpability my current one does. The vocals on the O Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack I heard last night was the most realistic I've ever heard. It sounded less like a sound system and more like live artists performing in my living room; very enjoyable!

There is one slight faux pas with the 1.6s, but it has more to do with my room than the speakers. The 1.6s are definitely a bit ripe in the bass area at certain frequencies. I think Audyssey will address that.

If memory serves, I think Magnepan mentioned within the website FAQ that moving up their speaker line buys the owner more than specs would suggest. They also provide improved resolution. Based on my experience with the 1.6s so far, I believe they speak the truth...

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... I worked at Bjorn's Audio & Video in San Antonio...

I love Bjorn's but I wish they sold Maggies. They just revamped their ultimate home theater and the d-box chairs are awesome. It's on the list of things that I want to add to the theater. It's good to know I'm not the only one who has called San Antonio home.
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The "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack really does shine on Mags. That is one of the discs I use to audition speakers with. Nothing I've heard comes close to doing it justice the way Mags do. My old 3.6R's were amazing with it.

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I love Bjorn's but I wish they sold Maggies. They just revamped their ultimate home theater and the d-box chairs are awesome. It's on the list of things that I want to add to the theater. It's good to know I'm not the only one who has called San Antonio home.

I really enjoyed SA, and it's only one of two cities I could recommend to anyone moving to Texas (Austin would be the other one). Though I miss Las Palapas' Macho Burritos , I won't be leaving Colorado. I love this place...

FYI: Home Technology Group in San Antonio does sell Maggies, and one of the principles (Oli) worked with me at Bjorn's. I think they're off of Raphsody near the airport. You may want to stop in and check them out some time-assuming you're still living there of course.

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The "O Brother Where Art Thou" soundtrack really does shine on Mags. That is one of the discs I use to audition speakers with. Nothing I've heard comes close to doing it justice the way Mags do. My old 3.6R's were amazing with it.

Your reference to 3.6s sounds like past tense. What mains are you using now?
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1.6's. I've moved cities for work twice in the last two and a half years. I had to sell the 3.6's when I moved to FL because I didn't have a room big enough for them. When they moved me up here to Toronto, the room was big enough for Mags so I picked up some 1.6's. The two years I was without Mags was interesting but my heart was yearning and I'm glad I'm now back.

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I just picked up a CC3 from fellow AVS member bigbrother52 on this forum. It really matches up well with the MMG's I have. I tried the MMGC but it just didn't cut it, the CC3 is far superior in all aspects.

By the way if anyone is wanting to move up, bigbrother52 also has some 3.5's
and 3.6's for sale at a good price. Send him a PM, He's great to work with & talk to. I wish I had more room!
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Congrats on your MMG purchase, and I'm glad you're enjoying them. I don't recall what Mye stands cost, but I think I can provide a less expensive option. First, you'll want to build your own T footers like those found on larger Maggies. Try this tip from the Magnepan Users Group (MUG):
http://www.integracoustics.com/MUG/M.../richardh.html
One caveat about Richard's advice though: His instruction to use 1/4 washers is incorrect because the diameter of its center hole is too large, so the MMGs mount bolts will pass right through them. What you want is a washer with a 3/16 interior diameter. You can find them at any home improvement store. Further, though Richard was correct about the make and model of bracket to use, he didn't mention where to find them within Home Depot or Lowes. The location is not necessarily intuitive-try the lumber section . Though the L brackets are silver by default, you can easily spray paint them with any color you desire. Though optional, I also added self adhesive felt pads to the bottom of my footers to prevent the risk of them scratching whatever surface I placed them on.

I hope this helps.

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Thank you Eric & Richard for the tips for DIY stands. I used 3/16" washers as advised in the above post.

I have been debating myself on straightening the MMGs, if it will make any difference or not. After looking at this post I decided to try it out.

I am glad that I tried it.


My setup is Denon 1909
Two Pairs of MMGs. Front and Sourround.
Subwoofer
MMG are crossed at 80hz.

My listing position is 10.5 feet from Front speakers.

With Denon & Audyssey setup movies and 2 channel music is simply awesome.

As I corssed Maggies at 80hz , Denon 1909 has plenty of power to drive these speakers with out any issues.

thanks again Richard for sharing your DIY stands build procedure.

btw cost now is : 8 L brackets : $4 each = $32
8 3/16" washres : $2.50
total : $34.50 + tax
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Glad to help HDMI_13. I appreciate your feedback concerning how MMGs work with receivers (I wondered if their power supplies were adequate). Now that you have the MMGs standing straight up, did you elevate them above the floor at all and if yes, how?

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1.6's. I've moved cities for work twice in the last two and a half years. I had to sell the 3.6's when I moved to FL because I didn't have a room big enough for them. When they moved me up here to Toronto, the room was big enough for Mags so I picked up some 1.6's. The two years I was without Mags was interesting but my heart was yearning and I'm glad I'm now back.

The same thing happened to me. I moved to Denver over three years ago but I didn't have room for any Maggies, much less 1.6s until I moved into the place I'm in now a few months ago. I used sat-sub systems that actually worked quite well that I've since moved to bedrooms. It was so nice to be able to come home to Maggies again.
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My setup is Denon 1909
Two Pairs of MMGs. Front and Sourround.
Subwoofer
MMG are crossed at 80hz.

My listing position is 10.5 feet from Front speakers.

With Denon & Audyssey setup movies and 2 channel music is simply awesome.

As I corssed Maggies at 80hz , Denon 1909 has plenty of power to drive these speakers with out any issues.

thanks again Richard for sharing your DIY stands build procedure.

btw cost now is : 8 L brackets : $4 each = $32
8 3/16" washres : $2.50
total : $34.50 + tax

I just installed the exact thing for pretty much the same price. I haven't elevated them yet, I'm not sure what I'll use. Maybe I'll just bring in some bricks for now and see what the differences are, if any.

I have MMG's up front, no center and MMG-W's for surrounds. I'm driving them with a Marantz 5003 with no problem. I have an AV123 MFW-15 sub crossed over at 80.

If I can't sell my Bada DC-222 amp, I may throw that into the mix to see, just to see what happens
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Glad to help HDMI_13. I appreciate your feedback concerning how MMGs work with receivers (I wondered if their power supplies were adequate). Now that you have the MMGs standing straight up, did you elevate them above the floor at all and if yes, how?

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I haven't elevated them.

Well I am not expert on how power supplies works with MMGs but I do have a enough knowledge on power supplies which helps me to stay away from snake oil.

One thing to consider is I am not listening at ear splitting or at movie reference levels.

That is where I appreciate the Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Volume.

May be after some time I will try to elivate them.
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If the MMGs are perpendicular to the floor on DIY T-stands, you will definitely want to elevate them so the middle of the driver is aligned with your ears at your listening position (actually, the middle of the driver could be approximately 30% higher or lower than ear level and still work well). Personally, I think the MMGs sound much better elevated and vertical versus the angled floor position intended by Magnepan via the default stands.

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So post some pics of your mags.

Here's my current set up. The room is only 13' wide and I've got a 127" wide 2.35:1 AT screen that hangs down in front of the mags when using the projector. Its a DIY job using the Phifer Sheerweave 4500 (similar to SMX) and I built the frame so I could flip it up to rest against the ceiling when listening to music (You can sort of see it at the top). I draped black velvet over everything in the room except the floor and the flash overcompensated a bit. I don't use the subs for music listening at all as I run a Conrad Johnson Premier 17LS as a preamp and a Halo A21 with a Marantz SACD player for two channel.





And here's my old setup from Memphis with the 3.6R's and a Musical Fidelity Trivista 300 with an NAD S500 disc player. The screen in this pic is a 110" diagonal (54" X 96") highpower.


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Congrats on your MMG purchase, and I'm glad you're enjoying them. I don't recall what Mye stands cost, but I think I can provide a less expensive option. First, you'll want to build your own T footers like those found on larger Maggies. Try this tip from the Magnepan Users Group (MUG):
http://www.integracoustics.com/MUG/M.../richardh.html
One caveat about Richard's advice though: His instruction to use 1/4 washers is incorrect because the diameter of its center hole is too large, so the MMGs mount bolts will pass right through them. What you want is a washer with a 3/16 interior diameter. You can find them at any home improvement store. Further, though Richard was correct about the make and model of bracket to use, he didn't mention where to find them within Home Depot or Lowes. The location is not necessarily intuitive-try the lumber section . Though the L brackets are silver by default, you can easily spray paint them with any color you desire. Though optional, I also added self adhesive felt pads to the bottom of my footers to prevent the risk of them scratching whatever surface I placed them on.

As for the stands, I'm using a neat system I've only found at Lowes (and interestingly enough, not all locations nor at Lowes website). The brand is called "Real Organized" and it consists of plastic feet, metal poles, and shelves that can be combined in many different ways. I've attached a couple of pics of the shelf I built for my MMGs. In this example, I used a pair of 16"x24" black wood (actually laminate) shelves, a set of 16" poles (they always come in packs of four), and pack of footers with end caps (required because they bind the shelves to the poles). If memory serves, this configuration cost ~$28. The poles come in silver or black (surprisingly nice finish given the price) at heights of 8, 12, and 16 inches. The shelves come in several different sizes, colors (including glass), and shapes. Beyond the attractive cost, the system is easilly expandable and requires no tools for assembly. Indeed, the unit you see in my pics literally took a couple of minutes to assemble. Once assembled the unit is quite strong, and I'm using 6' tall towers in other rooms for extra storage and satellite speaker stands. As I said previously though, the trick is finding a Lowes near you that carries this system. One way to do this is to call any store near you and provide the following item number (black 8" poles): 253654. If the store carries this item, they'll carry the entire system. If the store you call doesn't have it, ask them to check for stores that do (they have proprietary inventory systems seperate from their website).

I hope this helps.

Eric

I went to my local Lowes and found the requisite materials; although in my case I went with 12" poles and 16" x 16" shelves. This made a big improvement in the sound of my MMGs. Total cost was about $70.

Thanks for the tip.
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FYI: Home Technology Group in San Antonio does sell Maggies, and one of the principles (Oli) worked with me at Bjorn's. I think they're off of Raphsody near the airport. You may want to stop in and check them out some time-assuming you're still living there of course.

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I actually just came from visiting Oli and the 1.6's and they sounded amazing. So much so that I'm sure the imaging is totally off on my MMGs. I've got a TV in between them and it's really messing things up. I've resolved to mount the TV on the back wall and get a good sound stage. I'm also going to reverse L-R the speakers and really take the time to do an appropriate placement. It seems to make a big difference.
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I went to my local Lowes and found the requisite materials; although in my case I went with 12" poles and 16" x 16" shelves. This made a big improvement in the sound of my MMGs. Total cost was about $70.

Thanks for the tip.

My pleasure: It's not necessarily the most eloquent solution, but the price and ease of setup is right.

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