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For me the step from two to five speakers (plus subs) was large in terms of a better movie experience. The center and surrounds really added to the immersive sound experience. There are also multi-channel audio recordings that sound good in surround sound. The step to seven speakers was less, probably because not many movies mixes seem to take advantage of the extra channels, plus I tend to be pretty uncritical when it comes to movie sound. No experience with height/wide speakers and no plans at this time. So IME/IMO if you like movies then a 5.x system is a big improvement.

As for this: "Any movie event where the speakers out number the humans seems uncomfortable to me." -- Just have to note that stereo listening is often two speakers, often plus sub, to one listener... Jez' sayin'

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I've never been a huge fan of home theater, that's not entirely accurate. It may be better to say I never felt the need for a 5.1 , 7.1 or a 13.3 THX system. Any movie event where the speakers out number the humans seems uncomfortable to me. I always placed multi-channel receivers a tier or three below 2 channel separates fidelity wise and placed home theater speakers a notch or three below music speakers with respect to musical fidelity.

A funny thing happened yesterday, I rented "Beauty and the Beast" (2016) and while the movie left me indifferent I did enjoy the sound and or music of the movie on my 2 channel MG 3.7i speakers. I wish I had rented the Blu-Ray not the DVD, the video detail could have been a whole lot better.

I'm still not sure I need 9 more speakers to watch a movie.
Plenty of high quality/HiRes 5.1 surround sound music to hear and you're missing out if you never experience this.
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A local gentleman is selling 3.7i three month old. He's willing to do a 1.7i + cash trade with me. But it's really the size and weight of 3.7i make me not to pursue the deal. I just cannot move them around easily by myself, and put them at the same location where the 1.7i's currently are

I had 7.2, then 5.2, then down to 2.2 or 2.1. I only watch movies occasinally.
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ATX2014> A local gentleman is selling 3.7i three month old.

I needed help getting my 3.7i speakers into my home. Boxed together a pair weighs 150 lbs and while well boxed one does want to treat the speakers gingerly.

Once out of the box and upright I offer that the size difference should be a non-issue. Acoustically I far prefer the larger speakers, you need to hear them first to make an informed decision.

What would worry me is the upstream electronics, the amps and pre amps. If you don't have clean and powerful 4 ohm friendly electronic stuff maybe now is not the time?


laserjock II> Plenty of high quality/HiRes 5.1 surround sound music to hear and you're missing out if you never experience this.

You maybe 100% correct. Some of the music I loved on my old speakers; I still like the music I just wish it was recorded better. I have a whole lot of Angel, Chesky, Reference Recording, Sheffield labs, Linn and Telarc CDs. Some of them are setup for multi channel.

DonH50> As for this: "Any movie event where the speakers out number the humans seems uncomfortable to me." -- Just have to note that stereo listening is often two speakers, often plus sub, to one listener... Jez' sayin'

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....I still like the music I just wish it was recorded better...
This is a topic with strong opinions. As your system reaches closer and closer to being super critical, some recordings can become almost unlistenable. My goal has always been to not push too far and make sure you can still play and enjoy the music you like.
As an example. I was listening to a baseball game last night and had my stereo system turned on. The guys were bumping the microphone, tapping the table, kicking the chairs, and it had some consistently awful background noise I could not identify. My system was accurately reproducing everything in the broadcast but you get the good with the bad...so sometimes less is more.

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speakers first electronics second. if i do get the speakers i'll go get the matching electronics. can also get initial hands to move the stuff in as i did with my 1.7i's. the thing is after measurement, the extra height of 3.7i's is a problem for me to place them where I want ... see pic
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I've never been a huge fan of home theater, that's not entirely accurate. It may be better to say I never felt the need for a 5.1 , 7.1 or a 13.3 THX system. Any movie event where the speakers out number the humans seems uncomfortable to me. I always placed multi-channel receivers a tier or three below 2 channel separates fidelity wise and placed home theater speakers a notch or three below music speakers with respect to musical fidelity.

A funny thing happened yesterday, I rented "Beauty and the Beast" (2016) and while the movie left me indifferent I did enjoy the sound and or music of the movie on my 2 channel MG 3.7i speakers. I wish I had rented the Blu-Ray not the DVD, the video detail could have been a whole lot better.

I'm still not sure I need 9 more speakers to watch a movie.

I've been a fan of some sort of surround speakers, even with music, since the 70's when I used a dynaquad device to set up four of the large original Advents . Surround sound has come a long way since then..I went with an Advent Soundspace control in about 1978 that gave me digitally derived adjustable surround channels. That was replaced with a much better sounding Yamaha DSP 1 in the 80's. The surround sound we have today for music is an offshoot of the movie sound decoders. I generally use a Dolby pro logic IIx - Music setting derivative on my preamp/processors today when listening to music. Magnepans , by virtue of their design, do a better job with image depth and ambience, than most speakers, but I enjoy using surround channels with music even with them.

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Multichannel music is something still very new to me but I really liked it (before losing my ability to play SACDs -- can still do the DVD/BD video recordings, however). I found the additional speakers usually made a very pleasant listening experience. Of course there are still bad recordings and mixes around, but even the derived schemes sound good on a lot of music.

Just as an aside, I have been using the Dolby Neo:6 music mode lately, and prefer it to PLIIx. Give it a listen if you have it.

Maybe I should pull out my TT and play that old quadraphonic Pink Floyd album, hmmm... Probably not.

As an even further outside aside: One of the bands I used to play in was run by Floyd Frame (R.I.P. -- great guy). Never got around to asking him if he was related to Pink.

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Russ69> This is a topic with strong opinions.

I'll admit I enjoy kicking the can, I enjoy lively and free exchange of ideas. I'm Irish so every extended family meal is a healthy Donnybrook. To be completely honest and unguarded is the mark of highest respect and how people learn from one another.

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Russ69> I was listening to a baseball game last night and had my stereo system turned on. The guys were bumping the microphone,

The Pittsburgh Steelers for many years had an announcer named Myron Cope. He was a very well respected decent human being but he had a very grating nasal tone to his voice. For home games I would turn the sound off on the TV or watch on TV while I listened on the radio.

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Atx2014> the extra height of 3.7i's is a problem

Now I remember now the details of your room lay out.

** I am told that the 1.7i and the 3.7i and even the 20.7 have about the same requirements electronically. One could hook a pair of 1000w mono block Class'e amps to your 1.7i speakers. You would not be the first to do this. It would be a temporary over kill situation.

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strindl > I've been a fan of some sort of surround speakers,

I am trying to explain not pick a fight so please be patient with me. I've always had more taste than money, I've always purchased better components than I could easily afford. Thus stretched beyond my means my focus has always been on better rather than more. My recent purchase of 3.7i speakers represents at least a years worth of my disposable income. Would I rather have (2) pair of 1.7i speakers and a pair of DMW for a surround system? In my case I'd rather have a pair 3.7i speakers, for me fewer is better than more.

I know some people have speakers built into the walls, a $10,000 screen that retracts into the ceiling and a 30'x40' dedicated HT room with 25 seats and a popcorn machine the servants take care of. I can't afford any of that.

Fact is everyone has some financial constraints. I argue within any budget there are trade offs. I've never listened to a Krell or Mark Levinson amps but for the sake of argument let us agree they are perfection on earth. Would you rather own a Krell amp or an 13.3 THX receiver?

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Yesterday I dropped off both my Yamaha C4 pre amp and my DBX 20/20 RTA for repair. As much as I like the remote on my Rotel pre amp I wonder what my speakers might sound like with the Yamaha pre amp?
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Multichannel music is something still very new to me but I really liked it (before losing my ability to play SACDs -- can still do the DVD/BD video recordings, however). I found the additional speakers usually made a very pleasant listening experience. Of course there are still bad recordings and mixes around, but even the derived schemes sound good on a lot of music.

Just as an aside, I have been using the Dolby Neo:6 music mode lately, and prefer it to PLIIx. Give it a listen if you have it.

Maybe I should pull out my TT and play that old quadraphonic Pink Floyd album, hmmm... Probably not.

As an even further outside aside: One of the bands I used to play in was run by Floyd Frame (R.I.P. -- great guy). Never got around to asking him if he was related to Pink.
I'll give the Dolby Neo:6 a try tonight. I've seen that as an option on my pre amp processors but never really gave it a serious audition. Some of the best sound I've heard has been from DTS 5.1 music disks that were around for a while back in the late 90's. There are a couple Diana Krall ones that are stunningly good. They are discrete 5.1 channel and will play on any system that has DTS 5.1 capability. I rip my music to a server on one of my computers in lossless format, and the DTS encoding follows along to the ripped copy just fine. When I select one of those discs, the surround decoder shifts to DTS 5.1 decoding. I'm not sure if those types of recordings are still available or not, I haven't bought one for over a decade. I never bought an SACD, but do have a selection of DVD -Audio discs that offer discrete multi channel surround sound.

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This is a topic with strong opinions. As your system reaches closer and closer to being super critical, some recordings can become almost unlistenable. My goal has always been to not push too far and make sure you can still play and enjoy the music you like.
As an example. I was listening to a baseball game last night and had my stereo system turned on. The guys were bumping the microphone, tapping the table, kicking the chairs, and it had some consistently awful background noise I could not identify. My system was accurately reproducing everything in the broadcast but you get the good with the bad...so sometimes less is more.

Yep

"some recordings can become almost unlistenable"

A good example is one of my favorite performances ever, DSOTM. Try that one on your run of the mill ESLs. Just horrible. Talk about a speaker ripping a recording to shreds. Sad really.

I have I think every version out there and none of them are really worth a s**t. The best of them, and that's not saying much is

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Fact is everyone has some financial constraints. I argue within any budget there are trade offs. I've never listened to a Krell or Mark Levinson amps but for the sake of argument let us agree they are perfection on earth. Would you rather own a Krell amp or an 13.3 THX receiver?

The speakers I've preferred over the years, Magnepan certainly included, always seem to be the ones that need more real power than a receiver has to offer. I did own a Pioneer SX 1980 back in 1979 that actually did drive my Magnepan Tympani Id's very very well. That one was a 78 pound two channel receiver with some real guts...rated at 270 real watts per channel at 8 ohms. That was the last receiver I've used though. My all Magnepan surround system in my living room uses 1.7's for the front, a CC3 center channel and MMG's for the rear. I use that system 99% for music and I love what that does with a well recorded piece of music. It does take some beefy amps to sound it's best though. I use a Threshold S500e rated at 500 watts per channel at 4 ohms for the mains, a bridged Adcom GFA 555 series II rated at 600 watts at 4 ohms for the center channel, and an Adcom GFA 2535 four channel amp, using two channels only, that delivers 90 watts per channel at 4 ohms for the mmg rears. I can spend hours in my recliner enjoying the sound that system creates,

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Just searched, Pioneer SX 1980 is a heck of a receiver, one of the most powerful ever manufactured. still valued a lot in the used market. How do you compare it with your current amps? it's a stereo receiver i'd think it's almost like a 2-channel amp. I'd only imagine it's as good as your current amps.
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Just searched, Pioneer SX 1980 is a heck of a receiver, one of the most powerful ever manufactured. still valued a lot in the used market. How do you compare it with your current amps? it's a stereo receiver i'd think it's almost like a 2-channel amp. I'd only imagine it's as good as your current amps.
I regret selling that SX 1980 in the mid 80's. While I was using it, I had a rather elaborate custom switching system that allowed me to use the pre amp and power amp sections of that receiver separately, and switch them around between the receivers parts and a GAS Ampzilla IIa and GAS Thaedra II pre amp. So I could hear the Thaedra II preamp with the SX 1980 power amp section driving the Magnepan Tympani 1d's, or any other combination of pre amp and power amp. I actually found myself preferring the sound of the Pioneer receiver's power amp section over that of the Ampzilla on the Tympani's. The Pioneer had no trouble at all driving the power hungry 4 ohm maggies. I don't know of any of the current crop of receivers that could do that as well. I never compared the Pioneer with any of my Threshold amps, or even the Adcoms, but I think it would still more than hold it's own with modern high end power amps. It was a beautifully designed and manufactured piece of gear.

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If I may share a few thoughts, all happy thoughts. First I am so pleased this conversation is so amicable. All strong opinions aside; I am learning much, thank you.

Finding a superior amplifier for Magnepan speakers and their 4 ohm load is a challenge. Expecting that level of performance from a receiver is asking all the more. The fact that one receiver almost 40 years ago did it well makes my point that this is a very rare if not now an extinct species. (And also makes me very envious)

A pre amp of what every quality seems to me to be the first component to go obsolete for technological reasons. My Yamaha pre amp provides for four turntables and two tape loops, no balanced inputs, no remote, no USB or digital inputs, no THX, no Dolby Atmos.

So to devise a contemporary multi channel system with all the latest bells and whistles one must either get a modern pre-amp or receiver with pre-outs and then multi amp?

I don't know what the market has in the way of quality multi channel pre amps, I see mostly multi-channel receivers and I am not confident that they have what it takes to drive 5,7,9,13 demanding and difficult speakers.

Yes I can see how it can be done, but at an exponential increase in cost. In my case I question the return on investment and the prudent allocation of resources.

As a counter argument, my pre amp has outs for two self powered sub woolfers, and my power amp supports two pair of speakers ("A" and/or "B"). So without much grief I think I could 4.2 with my 100% obsolete system. The "B" set of speakers would get the exact same input as the "A" set. It would be like a wall reflection with out any delay, I don't see the point? I still would not have a center channel.

Just now I was reading a manual for a modern HT receiver NOTE: If more than two speakers are connected all speakers must be 8 ohm resistance or greater.

Comparing Yamaha to Yamaha I look at a RX-A3070 and it is a 9.2 amp but it costs a little more than my Rotel pre amp and has none of huge coffee can size capacitors of my yamaha power amp, and certainly not 9+2 of them.

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So to devise a contemporary multi channel system with all the latest bells and whistles one must either get a modern pre-amp or receiver with pre-outs and then multi amp?

I don't know what the market has in the way of quality multi channel pre amps, I see mostly multi-channel receivers and I am not confident that they have what it takes to drive 5,7,9,13 demanding and difficult speakers.
Timothy: May I suggest you take a look at the Emotiva website as well as take a look at my system at the bottom of this reply. I feel that my system represents a solid performance to price ratio.

I cannot think of any improvement that I could make to my system that would not cost an arm and a leg. Any and all suggestions are welcome.

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Timothy: May I suggest you take a look at the Emotiva website as well as take a look at my system at the bottom of this reply. I feel that my system represents a solid performance to price ratio.

I cannot think of any improvement that I could make to my system that would not cost an arm and a leg. Any and all suggestions are welcome.

Oh and you are a welcome voice here at our cozy corner!
I concur with Emotiva amps matched with maggies... oh as well as Rhymik subs
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I'll get Emotiva XPA-2 Gen2 I think. Now I have a chance to get a pair of XPA-1L gen 2 they perform at least as good. but they take more footprint which i don't like
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A pre amp of what every quality seems to me to be the first component to go obsolete for technological reasons. My Yamaha pre amp provides for four turntables and two tape loops, no balanced inputs, no remote, no USB or digital inputs, no THX, no Dolby Atmos.
You are correct there. If all you want is two channel stereo sound, without any of the modern improvements like digital inputs, remote control, hdmi, room equalization, etc, then a high quality pre amp from 30 or 40 years ago would do the job. A good quality power amp from 30 years ago though, is still a good quality power amp today. My Threshold amps fit that description, as do the Adcoms. The Threshold S500e that drives my Magnepan 1.7's for example, was purchased in 1987, and factory updated once in 1994 to E series status. It sounds as good today as it did when it was new, and has not been rendered obsolete by newer technology.

30 years ago, the preamps I used worked great, but I don't have them any longer because I want the benefits of digital and multi channel technology in my systems, and the best way to get that today is with one of the many preamp/processors that are available. A modern surround receiver never made sense in my uses because the power amp sections simply are not up to the task of driving the power hungry speakers that I seem to gravitate to. If a surround receiver has preamp out plugs, that could work because it gives you the option of using external power amps for the channels that require them.

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I'll get Emotiva XPA-2 Gen2 I think. Now I have a chance to get a pair of XPA-1L gen 2 they perform at least as good. but they take more footprint which i don't like
The Emotiva amps work great with Magnepans. I use an XPA 2 first generation in my bedroom system driving a pair of 1.6's.

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I concur with Emotiva amps matched with maggies... oh as well as Rhymik subs
1 vote for Maggies and Aragon/Mondial/D'Agostino amplification with REL subwoofer (ear candy)
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Timothy: May I suggest you take a look at the Emotiva website as well as take a look at my system at the bottom of this reply. I feel that my system represents a solid performance to price ratio.

I cannot think of any improvement that I could make to my system that would not cost an arm and a leg. Any and all suggestions are welcome.

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Thank you for the gracious welcome. I may have the Emotiva web site committed to memory. I was hoping that my existing power amp would be up to the task and so far it has been. I do have a odd problem with it. My idiot lights on my amp are set for 8 ohm output, clipping at 250w/ch. Yamaha says in the manual: (enclosed)

I don't know what exactly what that means. Is clipping at 8 ohms the same as clipping at 4 ohms? Ignore the lights?

Exactly what corrections?

Adele and I need some answers.

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I would ignore the lights Timothy .... unless you are driving a motor vehicle!

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I would ignore the lights Timothy .... unless you are driving a motor vehicle!
It is a funny thing, I am getting old. I have a dB meter and now days I am OK very content ~ 95 dB and under even for the peaks.

I live less than 100' from a road that gets truck and bus traffic. My background noise level with the furnace fan constantly on is 45 db. If I turn on a fan in the room I have 50 dB background noise. I was told when I purchased my power amp that it indicates clipping at 250w/ch in to 8 ohms, but I'm rated at 350w/ch in to 4 ohms. In any event if I get indicated clipping I'm already damn loud so turning down the volume isn't necessary a bad idea.

I could sell my house move to the country and deal with 90 dB crickets chirping every night?

I do wish I had a better listening range than 50-95 dB.

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The combination of low (of fairly benign) impedance and low sensitivity makes Maggies one of the few cases for which I routinely suggest an external amplifier. My current system uses Emotiva amplifiers and an Emotiva processor. Previously I used a mid-range Sony AVR (was not happy), near top-line Denon AVR (did OK but much happier with external amplifiers), and a Pioneer Elite (old SC-27, this is the only AVR that seemed to do OK, but I already had the amps so barely tested the AVR alone). I have used all sorts of amps over the years from a 35 W Eico tube amp through hybrid of 75 W tube (ARC)/200 W SS (Counterpoint, tube inputs) and innumerable SS amplifiers. I love the sound of tubes, knowing full well mostly due to the distortion and microphonics they add to the sound, but quite frankly Maggies to my ears have always done best with a good SS amp. The SS amp controls the bass much better, going deeper and tighter, and struggles less dealing with the low impedance of the ribbon tweeter. If I had infinite money I'd probably get Bryston just because I like them, hey are built like tanks and Magnepan uses them, or Roger Sanders' big amps. As it is, the Emo's are doing OK for me.

Timothy, does the manual say what the correction factor should be? If they are sensing voltage as I suspect (usually easier than sensing current) then halving the resistance (speaker load) means twice the power for the same voltage. IF the amplifier is not current-limited, then the lights will work the same in that case, with the caveat that 0 dB is twice the power at 4 ohms as it is at 8 ohms. The fact they mention a correction factor implies there is such a factor somewhere so hopefully you can find it.

There are a plethora of good subs these days. That is one thing the whole HT revolution has done for us IMO. I was biased toward servo designs from when I first built my own sub ages ago. Rythmik uses a very similar scheme (guess I should have patented my design way back then ), and Brian Ding's day job is similar to mine, so we had a lot in common on several levels. I have been very happy with my Rythmiks. I went sealed partly because of bias but also because I don't have a lot of space and in a small'ish room the slower roll-off yields more impressive response.

At 8' away a pair of Maggies should deliver about 105 dB SPL driven by 350 W. That is %$#@ loud for me. See e.g. http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html

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DonH50> Timothy, does the manual say what the correction factor should be?

Nope, but wouldn't that be nice if they did? You have the whole relevant content above.


Don50H> At 8' away a pair of Maggies should deliver about 105 dB SPL driven by 350 W. That is %$#@ loud for me

Amen. Hence I'm not too upset about this.

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Opinions from the Maggies Gods on this forum.

I have been running my brand new 1.7i's in Stereo Direct Mode (analog bypass mode) on my Aragon Stage One so in essence running them full range using the REL R328 subwoofer with Neutrik connector (preferred way to run sub from REL) set to crossover of 50hz on sub.

So the 1.7i's are running full range (large speakers) and go down to 40hz while the REL is overlapping from 50hz down (overlap from 40hz on 1.7's to 50hz on the sub).

I set it up using REL's Subwoofer instructions and to be honest it sounds amazing. My Aragon 8008 amp gets quite warm (read hot) running them but this is to be expected as it runs in Class A/AB modes and I'm told runs as hot as the old KRELL amps.

So the golden question is:

Do I stand to gain anything by ditching the Neutrik connector and running an RCA input to the sub, set the crossover on the Stage One to about 50-60hz and let the REL pick up from that point down (no more overlap in bass frequencies)? I'm wondering how much much sound I'd be giving up on the 1.7i's lower bass response, but I'm guessing the gain would be freeing a bit of headroom up on the 8008 and potentially driving the Maggies a bit better/cleaner without the lag of having to drive the lower frequencies on the 1.7i's (1.7i's go down to 40hz)? Decisions... Decisions...
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My opinion has been stated multiple times in thhis thread so I'll simply say I think you'd be better off using your sub to it's full advantage and not running the Maggies full range. I would roll them off up around 80 Hz, maybe as low as 60 Hz, but not all the way down to their LF roll-off frequency. Large amplitude bass signals leads to very high distortion (and by that I mean 10's of percent). Unfortunately, since the distortion is higher-frequency products, you may find it "fuller" even though the effect is due to distortion and not honest bass.

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