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what finish is that? its beautiful

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Beautiful. Congrats Peter! Will you use them with the grilles on or off? I leave mine off most of the time.

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Thats because pro audio drivers are just so mean

Also fug, is that a DTS-20 under the center channel?

Yes, that was a DTS-20 but it is long gone. I have since moved on to Seaton Sound Submersives and Terraform XL's
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A few more quick snapshots:







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Man...What can I say? Congratulations! They are not only beautiful, I am sure they also sound absolutely outstanding.

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Yes, that was a DTS-20 but it is long gone. I have since moved on to Seaton Sound Submersives and Terraform XL's

Can you list what equipment you actually have in that room?

How many Cats?
How many SubM's?
Any sparks?
How many terraforms?
What processor?

I just want to know what "reference" is!

Thanks!


(I also wish someone had high res pics in the espresso veneer color)
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Can you list what equipment you actually have in that room?

How many Cats?
3

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How many SubM's?
4 HP's

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Any sparks?
No, using Klipsch THX Ultra 2 KS-525's and KL-650's for surrounds until Cat8's are ready.

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Waiting for a pair to arrive...

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Integra DTC 9.8

I used this back in my audiophile days:



Don't miss it at all
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Too bad the AT screen goes up tomorrow.

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That looks awesome! Wow! You are really going to use Cat8's as surrounds? wow! Is that not overkill? (Very ignorant question on my part, but still learning about HT.) This set up is amazing!
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A few more quick snapshots:

Beautiful photos; they show more detail than any other shots I have seen of these speakers. Thanks.
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That looks awesome! Wow! You are really going to use Cat8's as surrounds? wow! Is that not overkill? (Very ignorant question on my part, but still learning about HT.) This set up is amazing!

I have a handful of customers using Sparks as surrounds with Catalyst 12C's as LCRs, and have at least 3 customers using 2-4 CAT-8Cs as surrounds supporting the 12C's up front. It does make for a system that requires zero external amplification. A few reasonably priced XLR cables and a pre-pro with balanced outputs (not a requirement, but nice) and you are ready to plug and go with a source.

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Beautiful photos; they show more detail than any other shots I have seen of these speakers. Thanks.

With good reason... Fugueness is not just a crazed home theater enthusiast, but also an independent producer, cinematographer and photographer. If you had seen the "Lightscapes" series on Discovery HD Theater, the video was shot by fugueness.

Getting good shots of the red cherry finish has been quite tricky, as good lighting and some experience is critical to getting something that translates to the computer screen. Thanks again for the great in-home shots fugueness!

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Too bad the AT screen goes up tomorrow.

http://i944.photobucket.com/albums/a...edCherry-1.jpg

Thanks for the great photos - I love your theater room as well

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I have a handful of customers using Sparks as surrounds with Catalyst 12C's as LCRs, and have at least 3 customers using 2-4 CAT-8Cs as surrounds supporting the 12C's up front. It does make for a system that requires zero external amplification. A few reasonably priced XLR cables and a pre-pro with balanced outputs (not a requirement, but nice) and you are ready to plug and go with a source.



With good reason... Fugueness is not just a crazed home theater enthusiast, but also an independent producer, cinematographer and photographer. If you had seen the "Lightscapes" series on Discovery HD Theater, the video was shot by fugueness.

Getting good shots of the red cherry finish has been quite tricky, as good lighting and some experience is critical to getting something that translates to the computer screen. Thanks again for the great in-home shots fugueness!


Two things:

1: Is it not overkill to have such large surrounds? The Sparks are powered as well so that still works. I am just wondering what the logic is here. Again, I am not knocking anyone or anything. I am just trying to learn to make my decisions better when the time comes.

2: You should definitely bring Fugueness out to your facility to take high quality photos of your speakers in each finish. I am sure it would entice more people to buy. I know it has for me, and I don't even want the cherry finish... lol
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Too bad the AT screen goes up tomorrow.


Why do I even bother.

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1: Is it not overkill to have such large surrounds? The Sparks are powered as well so that still works. I am just wondering what the logic is here.

Define "overkill" Yes, the Sparks are fine for surround duty and had 4 of them in here at one point. Yes, I am "crazed" but I believe there are some who will be running 7x Cat12's. I would if I had the room!

Overkill is part of Mark's design philosophy. The Submersive HP is 2400W, the Terraform XL 4000W.

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Many on the forums tend to focus too much on the headroom and dynamics in my designs, but it is an obvious stand-out difference that doesn't take much examination to see. The reality is that headroom is but one requirement I set, as a speaker past it's limits will never sound as good nor at ease as one loafing along. To insure optimal operation of the Catalysts, and to allow some unique component choices, the speakers are fully active, with 1000W to the pair of 12" woofers, 500W to the 8" coaxial midrange, and 250W to the very efficient coaxial tweeter. While this sounds extravagant, the purpose is to never run out of reserves. Even at very low levels, you can sense the immediacy and effortless nature of the speakers, much like driving a finely tuned V12 sedan around town.

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Now you see them...



Now you don't...

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Stunning!

Does the CC sound any different/better vertical than it did horizontal?

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Am I imagining things or do you have some Terraform XL's coming as well. If so, will they be in added to the system or will they replace the Submersive subs you have. Again, that room looks simply fantastic

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Wow! Why would one ever leave.

Like Comfortably Numb,....the chair would consume me, and I'd hole up like Howard Hughes in a screening room. Cat 12s are likely my next big purchase after the IB is complete and room integrated. The lengthy Genelec vs Catalyst comparo on Seaton's forums convinced me I must hear them. There are two other contenders, they're both pro two-ways, Meyer and JBL.

Nice pics, as always. Any LF graphs of your room?

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Tell us, Is it "Good to be the King?"

I am also very interested in the question Craigjohn asked. How much of a difference do you hear with the vertical orientation?

Peter, your setup is an inspiration. I am jealous!

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Does the CC sound any different/better vertical than it did horizontal?

The Catalysts has great dispersion to begin with, but yes, the vertical positioning does improve things a bit.
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Am I imagining things or do you have some Terraform XL's coming as well. If so, will they be in added to the system or will they replace the Submersive subs you have. Again, that room looks simply fantastic

Yes, Terraform XL's are incoming. Whether they replace the Submersives or blast bass in concert with remains to be decided...
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Nice pics, as always. Any LF graphs of your room?

Mark might have one somewhere...
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The Catalysts has great dispersion to begin with, but yes, the vertical positioning does improve things a bit.

Interesting, perhaps a product of BSC.

I've enjoyed the pics of your set-up ever since I saw the ones of the all star GTG you posted.

I've poured over every available piece of information wrt the Cat12s I can find. The written, anecdotal attributes, appeal to me a great deal. Seemingly unlimited dynamics, relatively free from the detrimental effects of dynamic compression, is an aspect I rate highest in priority wrt mains.

Frequency aberrations, and other anomalies can be addressed somewhat, however if the system is constrained to unrealistic dynamic limitations, then I'm not interested. I've found compression particularly bothersome, after spending a great deal of time around highly dynamic, large scale systems while mixing.

When I stumbled across the Catalysts, I knew then that pursuing these for my next set of mains was the obvious avenue toward my main goals.

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fugueness -

OK, dumb question. Why get the new finish if you are going to cover it with the AT screen?

Not so dumb question. Why did you decide against the Lumis?
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OK, dumb question. Why get the new finish if you are going to cover it with the AT screen?

Not a dumb question. Just me being dumb! I ordered the new finish, then decided to go AT when they were ready to ship

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Not so dumb question. Why did you decide against the Lumis?

Jason at AVS convinced me to try the Vango - he thinks it will be plenty bright for my purposes and exceeds the Lumis in every area except brightness. However, if it doesn't work out, then Lumis it is
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There are two other contenders, they're both pro two-ways, Meyer and JBL.

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Which Meyer and JBL speakers are you considering?
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Congratulations on the new speakers. They're beautiful. It will be a shame to hide them.
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I am also very interested in the question Craigjohn asked. How much of a difference do you hear with the vertical orientation?

Ok, I watched a bunch of stuff tonight and yes, it's a big difference. It just makes the front sound stage so much more precise and seamless.

Chris, don't hold back. Go with the biggest screen possible!
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