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post #3331 of 3395 Old 07-02-2014, 08:55 AM
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Does anyone think the matching center is a bit underpowered? Seems you would have to run a higher crossover just for the center, for example 80Hz for the towers and 100Hz for the center, which is not ideal.

No, the little center is a poor match for the large towers but should be perfect with these smaller ones. You can have the same sub crossover for both.

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It's the same concern I have for the Infinity Primus P362 / PC350 combo. The center looks underpowered. Amazing for the price, but the EMP Impressions look leagues better. What we don't know is which sounds better.

Actually we do know that EMP sounds a bunch better than Infinity.


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The difference is greater because you are comparing a speaker with dealer markup included against one that is manufacturer direct. These speakers aren't in the same league at all.

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Also the Primus are front ported which is a big plus for me, as I can push them back closer to the wall.

You should leave speakers at least a foot from a wall regardless of where the ports are located.
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My understanding is that the e56ci was developed because the smaller sub mixed poorly with the towers. I've always thought that the e56ci and the towers blend really well with each other.

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I agree. We're talking about the small center pictured above and the smaller towers.
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I use to get pretty regular emails/Ads from EMPtek...but haven't gotten one in months. Do they still send email notification of sales, or have I been booted from the list? If they are going to have a July 4th sale, you would think they would have sent a notification by now!
I was hoping to score some gear, but who knows. Maybe they'll have one for Labor Day or as others mentioned, just wait until BF.
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Emailed Brian yesterday asking about any info on the new sub, said they expect it to be ready this winter.

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Anyone have thought about surrounds? the e55 vs the E5B? Is the bipole surround worth 2x the E5bi? My current surrounds are SLS Q Line gold, which have an amazing ribbon tweeter, so very detailed...but can only hit about 110 hz, so they need to be crossed at 120.

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Anyone have thought about surrounds? the e55 vs the E5B? Is the bipole surround worth 2x the E5bi? My current surrounds are SLS Q Line gold, which have an amazing ribbon tweeter, so very detailed...but can only hit about 110 hz, so they need to be crossed at 120.
I use the E5Bi and they have been great, even with less than ideal placement, they still provide a very good enveloping surround effect.

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I watched Lone Survivor this weekend with Mark Whalberg, and I must say this has to be one of the best movies for demoing your surround sound. There is essentially a 90 minute gun fight, and the whole time bullets are whizzing by, explosions are going off, things are ricocheting around you, and your rear channels are really working hard. The movie is quite intense, not only due to the pretty graphic visuals, but the sound immersion puts you right in the middle of the fight.

Definitely a worthwhile $1.50 from RedBox

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Anyone have thought about surrounds? the e55 vs the E5B? Is the dipole surround worth 2x the E5bi? My current surrounds are SLS Q Line gold, which have an amazing ribbon tweeter, so very detailed...but can only hit about 110 hz, so they need to be crossed at 120.

I own a pair of both. I would opt for the bookshelf models.
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I own a pair of both. I would opt for the bookshelf models.


Any particular thought process behind this ? I am debating the same thing.. I currently have E5Bi as L/R but they will eventually be moved to the back once i get the towers. I was considering to get the E55Wi's for the side surrounds and the E5Bi would be the rears in a 7.1 setup. I could save some cash by going all out E5Bi for all 4 surrounds but i was worried that the E5Bi will be blasting surround sounds direct into the ears which might take away from the "transparency" or "envelopment" feeling the surrounds should give.

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Any particular thought process behind this ? I am debating the same thing.. I currently have E5Bi as L/R but they will eventually be moved to the back once i get the towers. I was considering to get the E55Wi's for the side surrounds and the E5Bi would be the rears in a 7.1 setup. I could save some cash by going all out E5Bi for all 4 surrounds but i was worried that the E5Bi will be blasting surround sounds direct into the ears which might take away from the "transparency" or "envelopment" feeling the surrounds should give.
I have the E5Bi for my side surrounds and they do a great job of enveloping me and remaining transparent. I can't sit there and say for certain the sound is coming from this location, they really disappear well.

For example watching Avatar, I can hear creatures moving behind me and sounds all around the room, there isn't a point where I say "there is obviously a speaker there", you just get enveloped.

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Any particular thought process behind this ? I am debating the same thing.. I currently have E5Bi as L/R but they will eventually be moved to the back once i get the towers. I was considering to get the E55Wi's for the side surrounds and the E5Bi would be the rears in a 7.1 setup. I could save some cash by going all out E5Bi for all 4 surrounds but i was worried that the E5Bi will be blasting surround sounds direct into the ears which might take away from the "transparency" or "envelopment" feeling the surrounds should give.
Sounds like you are assuming that speakers have no dispersion. I wish my surrounds would blast. I rarely hear them. To answer your question I think the bookshelf models sound better.
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I agree on lone survivor a very intense film and the surrounds do get a good workout makes you fill you are right in the middle of the action.
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I love the look of a piano finish, but I hate that I can never keep the dust off of it and keep it looking nice. Would I have the same problem with the red burl finish because of the gloss?

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I love the look of a piano finish, but I hate that I can never keep the dust off of it and keep it looking nice. Would I have the same problem with the red burl finish because of the gloss?
The red burl will not be near as bad. The only place you will see dust accumulate is on the top. However, my wife has fixed that by placing a "thingamajig", a decorative white placement mat. The speakers see direct sun light at times & we never see any dust. However my entertainment center is black tempered glass & it's a dust magnet.
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Oh the dreaded spousal "thingamajig"!

okay, opinions needed. I am tired of waiting for the EMP subwoofer, since they discountinued the 10i10i (or I would simply get a second one of those)...given the choice, what would people pick:
SVS PB1000
Rythmiks LV12R
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Oh the dreaded spousal "thingamajig"!

okay, opinions needed. I am tired of waiting for the EMP subwoofer, since they discountinued the 10i10i (or I would simply get a second one of those)...given the choice, what would people pick:
SVS PB1000
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Outlaws LFM1-Ex
EX all the way.

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From that list I think I'm looking at the Outlaw. If you can spend a little more I think the SVS PB2000 would be my goal.

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Out of the list you posted I would get the EX hands down. I also, agree with AllenA07 and would get the pb2000. I have heard both in the same room and I like the pb2000 more.

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I own both Outlaw and SVS subs as well as some Outlaw amps. Without a doubt I would recommend the SVS if you can swing it financially. Outlaw makes a solid sub, in my opinion the SVS is just a notch higher in sound and customer service. Not that Outlaw doesn't do the later well. If you were buying an amp this would be easy.

Speaking of EMP - anyone have the mini's? Thinking of adding a pair for front heights, impressions/input welcome. They look to be a great value and with the ever changing world of audio (atmos, etc.), $125 for a pair makes them disposable or something I could use for computer speakers at work. Thanks.
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I own both Outlaw and SVS subs as well as some Outlaw amps. Without a doubt I would recommend the SVS if you can swing it financially. Outlaw makes a solid sub, in my opinion the SVS is just a notch higher in sound and customer service. Not that Outlaw doesn't do the later well. If you were buying an amp this would be easy.

Speaking of EMP - anyone have the mini's? Thinking of adding a pair for front heights, impressions/input welcome. They look to be a great value and with the ever changing world of audio (atmos, etc.), $125 for a pair makes them disposable or something I could use for computer speakers at work. Thanks.
No, but I use the Impressions bookshelf speakers for my computer audio and they are excellent. Only $100 more per pair.

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I have had my eye on those headphones ever since you changed your avatar. Thanks for the photo, they look great and maybe I should just buy 4 of the Impressions. The seem like great bookshelves, easy to mount on the wall and as much as I love my Ascends, trying to get a response from their one person customer service has me slightly frustrated. I'm all about lean and mean, but I am beginning to believe that they are a little too lean. Looking at the EMPs for surrounds with some bipoles I own going to the rear from the side. Will rely on Audyssey and REW to smooth out the differences between brands. 9.2 channels of audio Thanks FMW for the quick reply.
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I have had my eye on those headphones ever since you changed your avatar. Thanks for the photo, they look great and maybe I should just buy 4 of the Impressions. The seem like great bookshelves, easy to mount on the wall and as much as I love my Ascends, trying to get a response from their one person customer service has me slightly frustrated. I'm all about lean and mean, but I am beginning to believe that they are a little too lean. Looking at the EMPs for surrounds with some bipoles I own going to the rear from the side. Will rely on Audyssey and REW to smooth out the differences between brands. 9.2 channels of audio Thanks FMW for the quick reply.
Both the Impressions speakers and the HiFi Man HE-400 headphones perform like products costing significantly more. They are closing out the HE-400 currently for $299 on Amazon as the new model nears release. You would have to work pretty hard to find headphones at twice that price that sound as good. Both the speakers and the headphones are terrific values.
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Anyone using the E5Bi bookshelfs as fronts and rears in a similar room layout to me? How do you like it? Debating on a 5.1 setup with the E5's and the smaller or an Infinity Primus setup with the 363 towers or the AJ Pioneer phase 2 setup with the towers. I will be running either setup with a Denon X2000 and Outlaw LF-1 Ex subwoofer.
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I just received my E55Ti's, E56ci and E5Bi's from EmpTek. I actually ordered a set of B-stock after contacting them directly to see if they had any. FYI to those who were on their "list" for Bstock items...they are no longer keeping track of that, so if you are in the market, I'd see what they have available by emailing/calling!


Anyways, I also recently purchased a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro151FD Plasma as well. I watched the 300 Rise of an empire and it sounded great! I also have a Cerwin Vega 12" sub.

However, when listening to music, particularly bass heavy music like hip hop, the fronts seem to not like the bass so much and they seemingly lose volume during bass heavy parts of songs. Honestly, it's disappointing to hear how bad they sound when I turn the sub off! Now I'm thinking it's my 15 year old Sony receiver that's probably way underpowered. I'm unsure of the model number, but it was probably the most inexpensive one I could buy at the the time.

Should an upgrade be necessary in this case? Or is it something else I should be looking into!? I've tried all sorts of treble/bass/mid settings for the speakers and nothing seems to help the two front/tower speakers during songs like these. I didn't use banana plugs for connecting the speakers. Not sure if that info is needed, but I thought I'd share.

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I just received my E55Ti's, E56ci and E5Bi's from EmpTek. I actually ordered a set of B-stock after contacting them directly to see if they had any. FYI to those who were on their "list" for Bstock items...they are no longer keeping track of that, so if you are in the market, I'd see what they have available by emailing/calling!


Anyways, I also recently purchased a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro151FD Plasma as well. I watched the 300 Rise of an empire and it sounded great! I also have a Cerwin Vega 12" sub.

However, when listening to music, particularly bass heavy music like hip hop, the fronts seem to not like the bass so much and they seemingly lose volume during bass heavy parts of songs. Honestly, it's disappointing to hear how bad they sound when I turn the sub off! Now I'm thinking it's my 15 year old Sony receiver that's probably way underpowered. I'm unsure of the model number, but it was probably the most inexpensive one I could buy at the the time.

Should an upgrade be necessary in this case? Or is it something else I should be looking into!? I've tried all sorts of treble/bass/mid settings for the speakers and nothing seems to help the two front/tower speakers during songs like these. I didn't use banana plugs for connecting the speakers. Not sure if that info is needed, but I thought I'd share.

Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated!
Thanks!
The EMPs aren't bass heavy speakers, suitable down to 50Hz, but they aren't going to be full-range towers like the SVS Ultra Tower for example. They definitely benefit from a good sub, I would make that your next upgrade.

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My EMPtek speakers sound GREAT for music...I listen to a lot of classic rock, however. I sometimes listen in two channel mode with the sub off and yes, i can see where they might not be able to produce some of the "computer generated lows" in the hip hop and electronic dance genras. A better sub would help. While a better reciever might help, I think you are trying to make the EMP speakers they aren't...like, most speakers in their price range, they aren't full range and the compromise EMP makes is at the low end, with the assumption that most people will use a sub anyway!

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I just received my E55Ti's, E56ci and E5Bi's from EmpTek. I actually ordered a set of B-stock after contacting them directly to see if they had any. FYI to those who were on their "list" for Bstock items...they are no longer keeping track of that, so if you are in the market, I'd see what they have available by emailing/calling!


Anyways, I also recently purchased a Pioneer Elite Kuro Pro151FD Plasma as well. I watched the 300 Rise of an empire and it sounded great! I also have a Cerwin Vega 12" sub.

However, when listening to music, particularly bass heavy music like hip hop, the fronts seem to not like the bass so much and they seemingly lose volume during bass heavy parts of songs. Honestly, it's disappointing to hear how bad they sound when I turn the sub off! Now I'm thinking it's my 15 year old Sony receiver that's probably way underpowered. I'm unsure of the model number, but it was probably the most inexpensive one I could buy at the the time.

Should an upgrade be necessary in this case? Or is it something else I should be looking into!? I've tried all sorts of treble/bass/mid settings for the speakers and nothing seems to help the two front/tower speakers during songs like these. I didn't use banana plugs for connecting the speakers. Not sure if that info is needed, but I thought I'd share.

Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Nothing wrong with your equipment. If you like the bass support from the sub then just use the sub. There are very very very few speakers made that have bass response that can match what a subwoofer can do.
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EMP is all about knowing their limits and playing what they can handle. The down part of that is you basically have nothing under about 50hz being produced by the towers. On the other hand, what the speakers are doing is playing down to that point with little distortion. I would much rather have a speaker that knows its limits and doesn't attempt to produce sound that it simply can't.

I love my towers but pairing them with a good sub is critical.

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Thanks guys.

I do realize that these speakers were never meant to produce lows. I have read through this entire thread before finally biting the bullet to order these.

However, even at very modest/low levels, with my sub shut off, they seemingly are distorting and losing volume. To me, that seems odd. My old crappy bose bookshelf speakers wouldn't even distort/sound like that.
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