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post #3361 of 3385 Old 08-04-2014, 08:10 AM
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Thanks guys.

I do realize that these speakers were never meant to produce lows. I have read through this entire thread before finally biting the bullet to order these.

However, even at very modest/low levels, with my sub shut off, they seemingly are distorting and losing volume. To me, that seems odd. My old crappy bose bookshelf speakers wouldn't even distort/sound like that.
Oh if that is what you are experiencing, you may have an issue with your receiver.

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Thanks guys.

I do realize that these speakers were never meant to produce lows. I have read through this entire thread before finally biting the bullet to order these.

However, even at very modest/low levels, with my sub shut off, they seemingly are distorting and losing volume. To me, that seems odd. My old crappy bose bookshelf speakers wouldn't even distort/sound like that.
Losing volume compared to what? Do they start loud and then display reduced volume? If so then your receiver is probably broken. Can you describe the distortion? Is it ever clean? If so, in what situations? As an E55 user myself, I can tell you they will play loud enough to drive you out of the room and they sound very good, even at high volume. Something appears to be broken. After you eliminate the receiver and wiring from the problem, give EMP a call.
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Losing volume compared to what? Do they start loud and then display reduced volume? If so then your receiver is probably broken. Can you describe the distortion? Is it ever clean? If so, in what situations? As an E55 user myself, I can tell you they will play loud enough to drive you out of the room and they sound very good, even at high volume. Something appears to be broken. After you eliminate the receiver and wiring from the problem, give EMP a call.
Basically say you have a song that is playing and there's no bass during the music, like an intro...and then the bass starts kicking in during a song and the speakers volume noticably decreases. The complete sound coming from the speakers sounds like its distorted. It's hard for me to describe the exact sound that I'm hearing.

I did some research and I believe I have a Sony STR-DE885 receiver, or something of the like. It's obviously a cheap receiver as I stated before and many negative reviews. Could it be because the speakers are 6ohms and that receiver wouldn't be up to par for handling the extra load?


What receiver would you guys recommend in the $250-500 range for 5.1 receivers?

Thanks so much for the help!
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Well, I can assure you that those Bose weren't even getting close to 50hz. A couple question, what volume/spl are you listening at? these speakers are really good, but I don't think they are designed to produce reference level! Second, what type of EQ have you tried?

Last night, I listened to some Tommy Bolin, so some very bass heavy classic rock with the smaller version of the towers (e5Ti) and man, those speakers rock and never waviered! I wasn't listening at ear splitting levels, but loud enough I would NOT have been able to talk with anyone!

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I have the Denon 1613 reciever and it has more than enough features and power for my use! I got mine for a few shekels over 200 dollars about a year ago...

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Basically say you have a song that is playing and there's no bass during the music, like an intro...and then the bass starts kicking in during a song and the speakers volume noticably decreases. The complete sound coming from the speakers sounds like its distorted. It's hard for me to describe the exact sound that I'm hearing.

I did some research and I believe I have a Sony STR-DE885 receiver, or something of the like. It's obviously a cheap receiver as I stated before and many negative reviews. Could it be because the speakers are 6ohms and that receiver wouldn't be up to par for handling the extra load?


What receiver would you guys recommend in the $250-500 range for 5.1 receivers?

Thanks so much for the help!
So you don't notice any problem when watching movies, just music causes the volume to fade?

The receiver should be able to power them alright unless something is not working correctly. I am a fan of Denon, you can get the Denon AVR-X2000 for $399.99 from www.crutchfield.com and it offers incredible value. You get the second best version of Audyssey, networking, and you have the 7 channels should you ever expand or want a second zone.

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I believe I've found the culprit. For music, I was using my old Ipod and noticed the EQ setting was on. I turned the EQ off on my Ipod and this drastically improved the sound! I'll keep testing, but I think it's that simple!

Either way, I'll still be looking for a new receiver.

Thanks guys!
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I used to have a Sony STR-DE995 quite a few years ago. It really struggled to drive the 6 ohm floor standers that I had at the time. Don't recall distortion unless it was really loud. It would get really hot and go into protection mode quite often while watching action films with dynamic soundtracks. I think a new receiver would be a pretty good idea.

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Btw, a freind of mine brought over his Bic f12 sub and we did a head to head challenge with the E10i10i sub. Not a perfect test by any means, but we set both subs in the best spot based on a sub crawl (which isn't where I normally have the sub, since it is in the way). I had done a similar challenge with my Klipsch 12Wd and the EMP was far away better in terms of SQ, and I think got as loud. A similar comparison with the SVS PB1000 and the EMP sub was every bit as good, perhaps not hitting quit as low but not very noticable difference.
Anyway, I think we both agree that the EMP was a more faithful sub and performed better except maybe in very bass heavy movies. During a couple scenes of Oblivion, I get some minor distortion with the EMP which we didn't hear with the F12. Anyway, we spend about 2 hour with both subs for music and some selected scenes from movie and wouldn't hesitate to won either subwoofer. However, I would't trade my EMP for the Bic either! If EMP hadn't discontinued this sub, I would own two of them right now!
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Btw, a freind of mine brought over his Bic f12 sub and we did a head to head challenge with the E10i10i sub. Not a perfect test by any means, but we set both subs in the best spot based on a sub crawl (which isn't where I normally have the sub, since it is in the way). I had done a similar challenge with my Klipsch 12Wd and the EMP was far away better in terms of SQ, and I think got as loud. A similar comparison with the SVS PB1000 and the EMP sub was every bit as good, perhaps not hitting quit as low but not very noticable difference.
Anyway, I think we both agree that the EMP was a more faithful sub and performed better except maybe in very bass heavy movies. During a couple scenes of Oblivion, I get some minor distortion with the EMP which we didn't hear with the F12. Anyway, we spend about 2 hour with both subs for music and some selected scenes from movie and wouldn't hesitate to won either subwoofer. However, I would't trade my EMP for the Bic either! If EMP hadn't discontinued this sub, I would own two of them right now!
I really would have liked to get one of those es1010i! It's nice to know it can roll with the likes of SVS I own a F-12 and am ready to ditch it, but being in an apartment has that on hold Did you find the output to be similar between the EMP and BIC subs?

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I'm not at all surprised to hear that the 1010i outperformed the F12, it's really in an entirely different class. I would be curious to see some charts comparing the SVS PB1000 to the 1010i. Both subs are in a similar class and I've heard good about both. The F12 is good for what it is, a solid $200 subwoofer, however I wouldn't really expect to be in the same playing field as anything from SVS.

It is amazing what a good sub does for the EMP towers. I've got my SVS PC12+ crossing over at 80hz and am thrilled with the overall sound from my system.

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Yes, there is no way I would say the EMP sub outperformed the SVS, but it held its own very nicely and I really couldn't tell any difference, except in the deepest lows. And that EMP sub really put out good output. Mine is in a pretty large room (14x24) and no way do I think I need a second sub for more output, perhaps just to even out the bass responses through the room.
one more thing about the EMP vs Bic challenge. While the Bic didn't distort on a couple bass heavy scenes from Oblivion, it was always less accurate, especially at the low end. Much of the low sounded muddy and not clear. Much like the EMP towers, the sub performs very well within its limits and doesn't try to get below where it can play comfortably (which I would say is 30hz and above)!

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Yes, there is no way I would say the EMP sub outperformed the SVS, but it held its own very nicely and I really couldn't tell any difference, except in the deepest lows. And that EMP sub really put out good output. Mine is in a pretty large room (14x24) and no way do I think I need a second sub for more output, perhaps just to even out the bass responses through the room.
one more thing about the EMP vs Bic challenge. While the Bic didn't distort on a couple bass heavy scenes from Oblivion, it was always less accurate, especially at the low end. Much of the low sounded muddy and not clear. Much like the EMP towers, the sub performs very well within its limits and doesn't try to get below where it can play comfortably (which I would say is 30hz and above)!
My experience with the F12 is that it did a good job down to about 35hz. Between 30-35hz there was a dramatic roll off of ability, and by the time you got down to 30hz (really by the time you hit 32hz) the sub was passing into unusable territory. I had my F12 in the setup for 2 years and was pleased with it while I had it. I would love to see EMP come out with a solid sub in the $250 range!

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I have an F12 on my personal computer audio. It only plays music and not very loud. i would say that if you use a sub like i do with my computer, the F12 is fine. If you want loud and deep, perhaps not so much.
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I would get if you used the +/- 3db standard, the EMP sub probably does hit below 35 either...maybe down in to the low 30 hz, but not much more...but it seem to hold up very well to that point. Like I said, except several scenes in Oblivion, I have never heard an issue with the SQ of the EMP sub. And while the SQ is very good, it is far and away the best looking sub in anything less than 1000 range!

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Distortion can sound loud also

Definitely with you in that the e1010i's are some of the best looking subs out there. The RBH stuff looks close, but not glossy. I think I'd like it to be not glossy at times. I can't tell you how much I'd love to have a pair of RBH sx-8300/r's and the sx-1212/r subs. Dream setup! You can amp the 3 woofers on the bottom of the sx-8300/r from a standalone amp, eq them separately, etc. They're essentially subs! Combine that power/midbass with some solid subs, likely incredible midrange and one of the best tweeters ever made.....wow

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Hi guys, I am getting ready to pull the trigger on these in red burl.

E55Ti Towers
E56Ci Center
E5Bi Bookshelfs

They are giving me about 65 bucks off of the package. Hope these are the right choice!

EDIT: I will be using these for sports/satellite tv, music and bluray. Will these work for everything?

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Hi guys, I am getting ready to pull the trigger on these in red burl.

E55Ti Towers
E56Ci Center
E5Bi Bookshelfs

They are giving me about 65 bucks off of the package. Hope these are the right choice!

EDIT: I will be using these for sports/satellite tv, music and bluray. Will these work for everything?
Excellent choices! I think you will be very happy with them

What do you plan to use for a sub woofer?

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Distortion can sound loud also

Definitely with you in that the e1010i's are some of the best looking subs out there. The RBH stuff looks close, but not glossy. I think I'd like it to be not glossy at times. I can't tell you how much I'd love to have a pair of RBH sx-8300/r's and the sx-1212/r subs. Dream setup! You can amp the 3 woofers on the bottom of the sx-8300/r from a standalone amp, eq them separately, etc. They're essentially subs! Combine that power/midbass with some solid subs, likely incredible midrange and one of the best tweeters ever made.....wow
I think that exact setup from RBH is my end-game system.

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Excellent choices! I think you will be very happy with them

What do you plan to use for a sub woofer?
I am not sure, what do you guys suggest? I'd like to keep it under 400 bucks.
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I am not sure, what do you guys suggest? I'd like to keep it under 400 bucks.
I would recommend saving up a little more and going with an SVS PB-1000. $500 is the starting point for good subs, there really isn't much in that $350-450 range. You can get the PB-1000 from their outlet for $475, http://www.svsound.com/specials/outl...pb-1000-outlet

If you don't want to go that high then I would just recommend getting an NXG BAS 500 for $260, it's a good budget sub that is surprisingly musical.

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So the EMP ES10i sub is not the greatest?
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So the EMP ES10i sub is not the greatest?
I would wager it sounds good, but a 10" sub isn't going to have great output (PB-1000 excluded). For music it would work well, but for movies I would want something with better output.

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Hi guys, I am getting ready to pull the trigger on these in red burl.

E55Ti Towers
E56Ci Center
E5Bi Bookshelfs

They are giving me about 65 bucks off of the package. Hope these are the right choice!

EDIT: I will be using these for sports/satellite tv, music and bluray. Will these work for everything?
FINALLY pulled the trigger...hoping to get them next week! Thanks for the help fellas

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FINALLY pulled the trigger...hoping to get them next week! Thanks for the help fellas
Congrats! I think you made a great choice there, that FedEx guy can't come soon enough

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