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Is there any way of purchasing the speakers separately so I can have a uniform LCR?
call Brian and ask!

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But I also wanna wait for any potential sales
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try calling the week before Thanksgiving...last year that's when sale started....

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Anyone have any good ideas for angling the center channel upwards? I've been using little felt pad type things that you'd put under chairs, on doors, etc, but I picked up a dark brown pair of door stops today that angles it up a bit more. I like the angle, but still unsure of the look.

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^ LOL. I do the same thing. Thick pads under my center channel (which happens to be a R5Bi on its side). The reason for thick pads were two-fold, angling it up slightly and isolation from the glass shelf it was on. Worked great for me, but try the door stops. Nothing wrong with being creative!
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Anyone have any good ideas for angling the center channel upwards? I've been using little felt pad type things that you'd put under chairs, on doors, etc, but I picked up a dark brown pair of door stops today that angles it up a bit more. I like the angle, but still unsure of the look.
good idea! maybe use 3?

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^ LOL. I do the same thing. Thick pads under my center channel (which happens to be a R5Bi on its side). The reason for thick pads were two-fold, angling it up slightly and isolation from the glass shelf it was on. Worked great for me, but try the door stops. Nothing wrong with being creative!
Well, the angle of the door stops are much higher/steeper than the angle of the speaker when propped up. I'll have to either add some felt on the door stop to make it look flush or just deal with the larger felt pads holding it up. I'm using like 4-5 felt pads, but it just looks tacky when up close.

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^i know what you mean...but gotta do whatcha gotta do! i use these

http://www.amazon.com/Waxman-4710495...or+wood+floors

and to take away the tacky look i use a black sharpie marker around the tan edge portion. works pretty good! not too tacky looking...

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I just painted 1/4 inch some trim board in glossy black and use this to prop my center up to angle to ear level.

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I just painted 1/4 inch some trim board in glossy black and use this to prop my center up to angle to ear level.
ahhh way too logical! very nice solution

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Doesn't the center come with any feet or aren't they enough to angle it? I'm looking to get the E56Ci ... excuse me ... the R56Ci

Also, how close to the floor do you have your centers? Mine would be about 23" off the floor, on a TV stand.

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The Auralex MoPads work great for angling speakers. Overpriced, but they do work well.

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The Auralex MoPads work great for angling speakers. Overpriced, but they do work well.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...w_bottom_links
Looks like in the normal position they will angle the center downwards, I guess you can put them "backwards".
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They work in either direction, and the wedges give you a little flexibility on the amount of angle.
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^i know what you mean...but gotta do whatcha gotta do! i use these

http://www.amazon.com/Waxman-4710495...or+wood+floors

and to take away the tacky look i use a black sharpie marker around the tan edge portion. works pretty good! not too tacky looking...
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I just painted 1/4 inch some trim board in glossy black and use this to prop my center up to angle to ear level.
Interesting. I guess I had never thought about trying to find thicker felt pads. The dimensions on those on the Amazon page are a little iffy...do you know how tall they are? I'll have to see what the height of my 4-5 pads stacked together is and compare. With these towers being so tall and my stand not being a taller stand, I need a decent amount of angle (probably something like 10 deg, but I'll measure that too tonight)


Those mopads are nice. I remember seeing those, but thinking they're kind of expensive for some foam that's been cut haha. I'm sure I could find something like that in black and try to do something similar to that if needed. Who knows though, it might not come out looking that nice.

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^ the furniture mover pads are 5/8" thick/tall. i'm using two stacked together to raise the stand my tv is on so my speaker will fit underneath... not as aesthetically pleasing as i would like..but it serves the purpose for now!

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They did have a Black Friday sale last year, and it was mid to late November, so you should be seeing a sale soon. If you haven't already, sign up for their newsletter, and they will let you know of any changes/sales/etc.

Interesting to see RBH take over EMP, my guess is RBH wants to get into the budget market, and since it has this excellent Impression Series already, they are slapping their name on it. I bet you will start seeing these in showrooms now, and you get excellent value and design with the RBH badge. I think this might be a good thing in the long run, EMP gets to continue business as usual, but with a recognizable brand name.

I am pretty sure you can buy new grills from EMP, so if you want some RBH ones, I bet Brian would sell them to you

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Doesn't the center come with any feet or aren't they enough to angle it? I'm looking to get the E56Ci ... excuse me ... the R56Ci

Also, how close to the floor do you have your centers? Mine would be about 23" off the floor, on a TV stand.
In a perfect world you would want the tweeter to be in line with your mains. That's going to be hard for most of us, so trying to get it as close as possible would be good.

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Has anyone compared the bookshelfs to Pioneer FS-52s? Are they comparable for film watching?
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Has anyone compared the bookshelfs to Pioneer FS-52s? Are they comparable for film watching?
If you are not going to use a subwoofer, then obviously the Pioneer tower is going to produce deeper bass and should be high on your list. I also suspect that at its current price of $130 each, that is a lot of speaker for the money. Plus, you'll have an added expensive of getting speaker stands for bookshelf speakers. However, before making a decision, you might want to read Andrew Robinson's review on the E5Bi bookshelf speakers. You will note on page two that he compares the E5Bi to some impressive bookshelf speakers he has reviewed and thought highly of, including the Hsu and SVS Ultras. He actually preferred the E5Bi's over any bookshelf speaker under $1000 that he has reviewed so far (and he's reviewed a lot of bookshelf speakers). Of course, that doesn't mean you will.

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Thanks for the reply, I've actually read that review, it's what got me interested in the EMPs in the first place.

I'm debating between the following setups:

3x FS-52 (LCR)
2x SW8-MK2
2x E55Wi (Surrounds)

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3x E55Wi (LCR)
2x SW8-MK2
2x E5Bi (Surrounds)
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Has anyone compared the bookshelfs to Pioneer FS-52s? Are they comparable for film watching?
I have owned both and there is no comparison. The emptek E5bi is way better, the speaker is more punchier, and music is much more well defined and dynamic.

I would get a budget sub from parts express and the e5bi no question......
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whitedwarf: Just a couple of comments from your list. I'm not sure why you want the E55Wi's as your front stage. Not that they may not perform well, it's just that I rarely see speakers that are designed for surrounds used as fronts. I also feel the surrounds are the least important speaker (others may differ) since they provide only a small portion of the audio information. Seems like a lot of money that could be used for a much better subwoofer. In order of importance, I'd rate it as follows:

1. Front stage
2. Subwoofer
3. AVR
4. Surrounds

Speaking of subwoofers, what is attracting you to a sub that will have a difficult time reaching 40 Hz? There are plenty of subs that would easily outperform those Pioneers. What is your room volume? Is it open to other rooms?
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3x E55Wi (LCR)
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Did you mean 3x E5Bi and 2x E55Wi? If it were me I would use the E5Bi for LCR and surrounds.
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I would honestly grab 5 R5Bi (E5Bi) and then get a better sub. Something like the PB-1000 would be a big upgrade over those Pioneers (which are not good) and give you sub-20Hz bass and blend nicely with the bookshelves. From what I have read, Dolby ATMOS plays better with direct firing surround speakers, because they don't overlap each other and muddy the surround effects. It seems the industry has accepted ATMOS, so I would expect to see less bipole/dipole speakers in the future. Additionally, I don't think the price premium is worth it for surrounds. Your money is better spent on a nicer sub.

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whitedwarf: Just a couple of comments from your list. I'm not sure why you want the E55Wi's as your front stage. Not that they may not perform well, it's just that I rarely see speakers that are designed for surrounds used as fronts. I also feel the surrounds are the least important speaker (others may differ) since they provide only a small portion of the audio information. Seems like a lot of money that could be used for a much better subwoofer. In order of importance, I'd rate it as follows:

1. Front stage
2. Subwoofer
3. AVR
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Speaking of subwoofers, what is attracting you to a sub that will have a difficult time reaching 40 Hz? There are plenty of subs that would easily outperform those Pioneers. What is your room volume? Is it open to other rooms?
Thanks for the suggestion. I'm sorry I meant 3x E5Bi as the LCR and the E55Wi for the Surrounds, got confused with the model number. Could you recommend a few Subs to look into if I were to use 3x E5Bi for the front LCRs?

Room is a dedicated theatre room, closed off, 15ft x 12ft.

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Did you mean 3x E5Bi and 2x E55Wi? If it were me I would use the E5Bi for LCR and surrounds.
Yeah, sorry that's what I meant

In a 7.2 setup, is it be worth going for 7x E5Bi for complete uniformity?

Thanks again for the info guys.
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Thanks for the reply, I've actually read that review, it's what got me interested in the EMPs in the first place.

I'm debating between the following setups:

3x FS-52 (LCR)
2x SW8-MK2
2x E55Wi (Surrounds)

or

3x E55Wi (LCR)
2x SW8-MK2
2x E5Bi (Surrounds)
I assume you meant the EMP/RBH E5 bookshelves...

That first setup...well...both setups are interesting to me. I think your money can be spend more wisely personally. What's your room layout/size look like? What will you be using this for? Strictly home theater/movies, only music, etc?

Unless you're getting better deals, this is how I see it breaking down...

(3) Pio FS-52's: $130/ea -- $390
(2) SW8-MK2: $155/ea -- $310
(2) Surrounds: ($400 for e55wi and $250 for e5's)

So you're looking at either $1,100 (w/ e55w) or $950 (w/ e5 bookshelves). Your EMP/RBH setup comes in around $1,100 too. I think you can do a lot better. Do you need towers up front or just a want? Once we find out the questions I asked previously, putting something together will be easier.
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Edit: Okay. I see you're in a 15'x12' room, which is tiny and good for the budget you have going. Any reason you're set on 7.2? Also, do you any desire to upgrade as you go to have a better setup in the long or fairly short run? Maybe start with a 3.1 and add surrounds and another sub later. Or start with a 2.1 and add later. Or even a 5.1 and add another sub later. Whatever. Seems like your budget is about $1,100ish right now though

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Dedicated theatre room, with a single row of seats so would leave room at the back for 2 rear surrounds. Only for movie watching, no music.

My budget is probably more like $1500, but I'm looking to get the best bang for buck and going over various options.

Room is 4.5m long and 3.8m wide, pretty sure that's 15x12 (Sorry, coming from a non-US metric country )
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It's always hard to factor in the cost of stands into a bookshelf price because you don't know if they even need stands, what stand they might think are ugly, etc. Hard to say if $50 stands will work for a pair or is it going to be adding $100/pr for stands. Your first setup of 3 towers for LCR makes me think you're using a transparent screen so you'll likely need stands

Mainly just need to know if you'd need stands for bookshelves or not. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy the tower version than buying bookshelves + stands (say for instance....ARX a2 + stands vs. ARX a3)

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In a room as small as yours, I'd be looking at a 5.1 system first. A room is considered small if it has a total cubic footage of no more than 1,500 cu. ft. (your room falls into that if you have 8 foot high ceilings). One can always add later on. For instance, right now I have a 3.1 system hooked up, and will add the surrounds later on when I get the ambition to run cables through the walls and above the ceiling. Once I do get the surrounds, I may opt for the inexpensive E3b's, but may go for the E5Bi's there as well (haven't decided yet -- it will depend upon how obtrusive they look on the wall, as much as anything else).

Since your room is small, your subwoofer requirements will be reasonable ones. At a minimum, I'd be looking at the SVS SB-1000 (sealed -- it should provide nice extension in your room), or the SVS PB-1000 (ported -- more output at around the 20 Hz level). It all depends upon what you are seeking. For mostly movies and getting as much slam and shaking within your room, I'd go ported. For mostly music, I may choose sealed because of the much smaller size. Price of admission = $500 per sub.

The number of subs depends upon how large your seating area is. Multiple subs allows for a more even and smoother bass response at a wider and deeper area. If you are only concerned about a couple of seats placed closely (like a couch), a single sub should give you that if placed properly.

Other high-quality subwoofers to look at are Outlaw Audio LFM-1Ex when it goes on sale. Hsu and Reaction Audio have several under $800 that will shake things up amazingly well. PSA has the XS15se (their lowest priced sub @ $800) that would be a monster in your small area. Note that both PSA and SVS prices include shipping to your home and shipping back to their factory (if not satisfied) during their trial periods. Hsu charges for shipping, but are priced accordingly (very reasonable prices). Reaction Audio includes shipping to your home. Check Outlaw Audio for their policy.
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