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post #3781 of 4958 Old 12-01-2014, 04:11 AM
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In my house, I have Denon, Onkyo and Yamaha and all are great, budget receivers! However, if you read enough, you will find that someone has had problems with each...

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The X4000 is a great choice, especially at the discounted price right now. Generally people with issues are the loudest, but I would have no second thoughts about purchasing that receiver.

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Got to watch Guardians of the Galaxy in the beautiful DTS-HD a few nights ago....WOW! Watched the whole thing at -10dB and was blown away. Haven't had time to watch a movie or listen to much music lately so I forgot how much fun it was. Not a ton of bass, but some really good bass lines here and there. One at the beginning made my wife look over at me and say 'that was cool'. You could feel the ripple effect go through the room. Great movie though. If you haven't seen it, pick it up!

When we do make it out to see a movie, I find some movie theaters a little harsh nowadays. At times, the midrange and treble are a little hot sounding. I loved that I could listen near reference and not once get ear fatigue, cringe, etc.
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Got to watch Guardians of the Galaxy in the beautiful DTS-HD a few nights ago....WOW! Watched the whole thing at -10dB and was blown away. Haven't had time to watch a movie or listen to much music lately so I forgot how much fun it was. Not a ton of bass, but some really good bass lines here and there. One at the beginning made my wife look over at me and say 'that was cool'. You could feel the ripple effect go through the room. Great movie though. If you haven't seen it, pick it up!

When we do make it out to see a movie, I find some movie theaters a little harsh nowadays. At times, the midrange and treble are a little hot sounding. I loved that I could listen near reference and not once get ear fatigue, cringe, etc.
Glad they continue to impress! I am hoping to pick up that movie as well, I don't buy many but it was fantastic. And yeah most theaters don't sound that great after you hear a decent system, IMAX still does a pretty good job though.

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Spent 3 separate days over a 3 week period, about 2 hours at each audio store auditioning the ML Summits and Vantage, then the Magnepan 1.7s and 3.6s. Ended up with the 3.6s. This is used for music only, so it's stereo. The EMP Teks I use for movies.
Nice! I found a review of the 3.6s over on Stereo Phile / floorloudspeakers/303/

I see there are 3.7s now -- 12 years on the internet for the 3.6 is a pretty good run !

* http://www.magnepan.com/model_MG_36
* http://www.magnepan.com/model_MG_37

Hmm, I'm not really sure I have room for yet more speakers -- those 3.7 are almost wall sized! Hmm, well at least the EMP's will still be put to good use :-)

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Nice! I found this link over on Stereo Phile / floorloudspeakers/303/

I see there are 3.7s now -- 12 years on the internet for the 3.6 is a pretty good run !

* http://www.magnepan.com/model_MG_36
* http://www.magnepan.com/model_MG_37

Hmm, I'm not really sure I have room for yet more speakers -- those 3.7 are almost wall sized! Hmm, well at least the EMP's will still be put to good use :-)
LOL. Yep, those Maggies can absolutely dominate a room. The 3.6s are 6 feet tall x 2 feet wide and less than 2 inches thick (as are the 3.7s). People come into my home and want to know what in the heck those "big things" are. Then they see my R5Bi's in the next room and comment how beautiful the EMP Teks are .

And yes, the 3.6s had a long and illustrious run.

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Is anyone hanging the E5bi bookshelves from a ceiling and if so, what mount are you using? I thought about the VideoSecu ones (below), but I don't know that it would have enough clearance from the ceiling to the mount point on the speaker.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00COH7KRI

Oh and BTW, I talked with EMP Tek, and the mount size is 5mm. I haven't received my order yet to verify, but someone stated 6mm earlier in this thread. I'm hoping that maybe EMP Tek changed the mount instead of just not knowing what they were talking about...

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LOL. Yep, those Maggies can absolutely dominate a room. The 3.6s are 6 feet tall x 2 feet wide and less than 2 inches thick (as are the 3.7s). People come into my home and want to know what in the heck those "big things" are. Then they see my R5Bi's in the next room and comment how beautiful the EMP Teks are .

And yes, the 3.6s had a long and illustrious run.
Thanks for the dimensions! Saving those for the day when I eventually get them and need to know how to layout the room.

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I will have to check out that Guardians of the Galaxy, although typically I avoid Vin Diesel movies! Has that been released on Blue Ray yet?

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I will have to check out that Guardians of the Galaxy, although typically I avoid Vin Diesel movies! Has that been released on Blue Ray yet?
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Really? Definitely have to pick that one up then. He was good in XXX, The Fast and the Furious, and Chronicles of Riddick. His part in Saving Ryan doesn't really count. :-)
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Is anyone hanging the E5bi bookshelves from a ceiling and if so, what mount are you using? I thought about the VideoSecu ones (below), but I don't know that it would have enough clearance from the ceiling to the mount point on the speaker.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00COH7KRI

Oh and BTW, I talked with EMP Tek, and the mount size is 5mm. I haven't received my order yet to verify, but someone stated 6mm earlier in this thread. I'm hoping that maybe EMP Tek changed the mount instead of just not knowing what they were talking about...
Mine were definitely 6mm. I'd expect a new pair will either be 1/4-20 (if they fixed it) or 6mm. I'd be very surprised if they were 5mm.

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So you're saying he has wooden acting ?

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Mine were definitely 6mm. I'd expect a new pair will either be 1/4-20 (if they fixed it) or 6mm. I'd be very surprised if they were 5mm.
Yea, that's why I'm nervous about ordering a mount. The email I received was from Brian Tracy on their support team.
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Yea, that's why I'm nervous about ordering a mount. The email I received was from Brian Tracy on their support team.
Hope this email from RBH helps. Brian actually referred me to Shane for the most accurate info. You may want to check out their bracket too:
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All of the newer EMP E5 speakers have the M6 insert. We do sell a bracket for this speaker with the M6 thread included.

http://emptek.com/emb.php

Hopefully this will work for you. Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.

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Question about the R55Wi and R5Bi speakers:


I have a 5.1 system and will have the R55Ti Towers in front (already have a good center and sub). For the rear surround speakers, the R5Bi speakers seem the best choice but they are currently sold out on the Emptek website. Would the R55Wi speakers be better for the rear surrounds than the R5Bi speakers?


If I go to 7.1 at some future point, the R55Wi speakers would move to surround on each side. But for now, is getting the more expensive R55Wi speakers for the rears not a good choice over the R5Bi speakers?
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Hope this email from RBH helps. Brian actually referred me to Shane for the most accurate info. You may want to check out their bracket too:
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All of the newer EMP E5 speakers have the M6 insert. We do sell a bracket for this speaker with the M6 thread included.

http://emptek.com/emb.php

Hopefully this will work for you. Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.

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And on the page it says:

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I will post this in the subwoofer forum, but just so you know how the EMPtek10i10i stands up to a couple well regarded subs in its price range (3-500 dollars)

Subwoofer review:
Subwoofer tested: Outlaw LFM-1 (12 inch, 350 watt, down firing and down ports)), SVS PB1000 (10 inch, 300 watt, front firing and front ported) , EMPtek10i10 (dual 10 inch, 250 watt, front firing and sealed), KlipschR12wD (12 inch, 340 watt, down firing, front port)

A few up front disclaimers…everything in this review is subjective and represents my opinion only. I did no measurements. I listen to music and watch movies with dynamic soundtrack. I did audition all 4 subwoofers at the same time and placed the sub in the location that I crawled for the EMP sub (three of the subs I own, the SVS was on loan from a friend). Since it was just me doing this, there was nothing blind about the study.

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HT: Outlaw > SVS=EMP>> Klipsch
Music: Outlaw=EMP > SVS > > Klipsch
Output: Outlaw>SVS> EMP = Klipsch
Low extension: Outlaw+SVS >Klipsch > EMP
Looks EMP > Outlaw >SVS > Klipsch

Cost (what I paid for them):
Outlaw $449.00
SVS: $500.00
EMP10i10i $300.00
Klipsch $325.00

HT experience: watched scenes from Oblivion and Godzilla, 2014, which both will test a subwoofer's ability to hit low. The Outlaw, EMP and SVS sub all performed well for these scenes with the exception of two scenes in Oblivion which cause the EMP10i10i to distort. On all other scenes, these three subs were spot on, very dynamic and accurate. While the Klipsch can hit pretty low, it was less accurate, or boomy and it also distorted a couple times during Oblivion!
Advantage to the Outlaw LFM-1 by a slight margin over both the SVS and EMP, which isn't a shocker since those are both 10 inch subs, in terms of hitting low and output. Perhaps a suprise, the EMP sub held up really well and I felt was the equal to the SVS in many respects for HT! The Klipsch isn't in the same league.

Music experience: First, I don't listen to real bass heavy music...classic rock, classical. Don't ask a huge amount of the sub for music except accuracy. Used a couple tracks to compare...Tommy Bolin's Post Toastees, Pink Floyd's High hopes, Dire Straits Money for nothing and parts of Mozart's 40th Symphony.
Really love my EMPtek for music, as it is accurate and tight. The Outlaw sub was its equal, very faithful to the music. While listening to the music on the Outlaw sub, the music seem more bass heavy, but never boomy. I was able to adjust the gain to get a really beautiful coloration of the music with the Outlaw. While the SVS PB1000 is also a very accurate and tight sub, I was unable to adjust the gain to get the bass "just right" for my ears...it would go from bass heavy to not enough and I just couldn't find a good balance. Since this sub is front ported, I am assume I was getting a null (I had all three subs in the same location for the test). I am sure with proper placement, I could have made this sub sound better. Again, the Klipsch sub, not a bad sub, just has a boomy component to that which goes away if you turn down the gain to below 0 db, but then you lose the umph and coloration.
For music, I give the honors to the EMP and Outlaw, with the SVS a close 3rd and the Klipsch again, not in the same league.

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^ Nicely done and very informative!

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And on the page it says:
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Recommended for use with the E3b but not with E5Bi speakers.

Yeah, I just checked the mount page and it says 4 lbs load and the E5Bi's weigh around 8 lbs. So I guess you can ignore that part and shop your own mounts. Sorry to pass this bad info along, but the threads really are M6! :-)

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Actually we do know that EMP sounds a bunch better than Infinity.

The difference is greater because you are comparing a speaker with dealer markup included against one that is manufacturer direct. These speakers aren't in the same league at all.
I own a set of the Primus P362 with the PC350 center, and a set of the EMP E5Ti with the E5Ci center. Both sets cost me exactly $550 each. I have not been able to do an A/B test, but each set is run by a Denon AVR in different rooms. Without Audyssey, the EMP set is very underwhelming, while the Infinity set are pretty good. With Audyssey, the Infinity set are great. I will test the EMP set with Audyssey soon, and I really hope it fixes their lackluster performance, especially the center channel. They sure are purdy though

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I own a set of the Primus P362 with the PC350 center, and a set of the EMP E5Ti with the E5Ci center. Both sets cost me exactly $550 each. I have not been able to do an A/B test, but each set is run by a Denon AVR in different rooms. Without Audyssey, the EMP set is very underwhelming, while the Infinity set are pretty good. With Audyssey, the Infinity set are great. I will test the EMP set with Audyssey soon, and I really hope it fixes their lackluster performance, especially the center channel. They sure are purdy though
The smaller center is not recommended to pair with the towers. Those Primus speakers are a good bit more forward sounding to my ears, it might be you prefer this kind of sound.

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I own a set of the Primus P362 with the PC350 center, and a set of the EMP E5Ti with the E5Ci center. Both sets cost me exactly $550 each. I have not been able to do an A/B test, but each set is run by a Denon AVR in different rooms. Without Audyssey, the EMP set is very underwhelming, while the Infinity set are pretty good. With Audyssey, the Infinity set are great. I will test the EMP set with Audyssey soon, and I really hope it fixes their lackluster performance, especially the center channel. They sure are purdy though
Agreed. That smaller center is likely underwhelming compared to the towers and the p350, which is set up more like the e56ci. Not really a fair trial there


The fact they're in different rooms is huge. Have you level matched them and listened to the same content? Sensitivities should be somewhat close, but you never know exactly. Harmon said the P363's were 93dB, but they were measured closer to 87dB. Quite a big difference for marketing. Not exactly something you want to see. None of this really matters unless they're in the same room, level matched and running the same content. The P363 measured quite well for it's price, but they have some hiccups. First, when they're not being blown out they were priced quite a bit higher than even the e55's and e56ci. Looking at the impedance charts, you'll see they dip down to about 3.7-ish ohm's at 100hz, which could create problems at higher volumes for lower end AVR's/power. When I listened to the P363 multiple times in a dedicated room, I always felt they suffered from the typical showroom floor syndrome... A lot of boom and sizzle. Hot in the treble and the midbass was bloated and overbearing compared to the midrange making the midrange seem thin. You can easily see it in the charts (see audioholics measurements). For their price of $100/ea and a cheap center, it's probably a great setup for someone who likes that type of sound. The Klipsch, lower end DefTech, etc sound.

I'd bet money that in the same room, in a 2 channel setup, you'd hear midrange details you didn't hear on the p363. You'll likely run into fatigue quicker on the p363 if you don't enjoy that kind of response at higher volumes for extended periods of time too. This is all up to your ears though. Again, at the price these p363's are at lately they're a good buy for most. Much more than you would have gotten for this money 10 years ago. With you saying they're 'underwhelming' without audyssey means you likely have a room issue or just prefer the boom and sizzle of the Infinity, Klipsch, etc type speakers. Nothing wrong with that! Everyone prefers something different and at least you tried your luck with others to see what you really liked

Infinity P362 = P363 (just didn't want some to think I was comparing the wrong set)

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Sooner, Soulburner is comparing the p363 to the E5ti, which is still not a fair fight, but not quite as unfair as the p362 versus the E/R5bi...
I remember, maybe 6-7 yrs ago, when the Infintiy Primus P362 were going for 499/speaker...the price on the E5Ti before being discontinue was 350/pr (I got mine on clearance for 200/pr)...so that would be almost 3x the E5Ti. I have listened to the smaller cousin of the IP, the p163 and it was a good speaker, but couldn't beat out either the EMP or the Polk M40 in my room, and was more expensive/pr than my EMP minitowers

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Sooner, Soulburner is comparing the p363 to the E5ti, which is still not a fair fight, but not quite as unfair as the p362 versus the E/R5bi...
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So thought I'd make my first post in here after purchasing a pair of R5Bis over the weekend. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has posted here. All of the information you guys have provided has been tremendously helpful.

This is my first step into real home audio, and I'm doing so on a very limited budget. This will be mostly music but a fair amount of movies as well. Decided to start with a 2.1 system which includes the following:

Denon E-300
EMP R5Bis
Dayton Sub-1200

All in all, around $420 for what I'm hoping will be a pretty decent little system. I know this won't compare to many of the systems you guys have, but I'm very excited about it. Especially considering I'm upgrading from TV speakers and an old iPod dock.

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Agreed. That smaller center is likely underwhelming compared to the towers and the p350, which is set up more like the e56ci. Not really a fair trial there


The fact they're in different rooms is huge. Have you level matched them and listened to the same content? Sensitivities should be somewhat close, but you never know exactly. Harmon said the P363's were 93dB, but they were measured closer to 87dB. Quite a big difference for marketing. Not exactly something you want to see. None of this really matters unless they're in the same room, level matched and running the same content. The P363 measured quite well for it's price, but they have some hiccups. First, when they're not being blown out they were priced quite a bit higher than even the e55's and e56ci. Looking at the impedance charts, you'll see they dip down to about 3.7-ish ohm's at 100hz, which could create problems at higher volumes for lower end AVR's/power. When I listened to the P363 multiple times in a dedicated room, I always felt they suffered from the typical showroom floor syndrome... A lot of boom and sizzle. Hot in the treble and the midbass was bloated and overbearing compared to the midrange making the midrange seem thin. You can easily see it in the charts (see audioholics measurements). For their price of $100/ea and a cheap center, it's probably a great setup for someone who likes that type of sound. The Klipsch, lower end DefTech, etc sound.

I'd bet money that in the same room, in a 2 channel setup, you'd hear midrange details you didn't hear on the p363. You'll likely run into fatigue quicker on the p363 if you don't enjoy that kind of response at higher volumes for extended periods of time too. This is all up to your ears though. Again, at the price these p363's are at lately they're a good buy for most. Much more than you would have gotten for this money 10 years ago. With you saying they're 'underwhelming' without audyssey means you likely have a room issue or just prefer the boom and sizzle of the Infinity, Klipsch, etc type speakers. Nothing wrong with that! Everyone prefers something different and at least you tried your luck with others to see what you really liked
The rooms are different, but not dramatically so. Both have carpet and plush seating around the speakers. At any rate it sounds like the E5Ci needs an EQ. Dialogue just doesn't sound right, no matter how much I play with it. It sounds hollow and underpowered, like it's in a box or something, and the tone is off. The fact that it doesn't completely blow away the TV speakers (Samsung F5300) is depressing. We'll see what Audyssey can do.

Also - no formal A/B tests yet, and this was only with DD from DirecTV (Cosmos on the DVR). I will be running music tests soon and I expect different results .

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I own a set of the Primus P362 with the PC350 center, and a set of the EMP E5Ti with the E5Ci center. Both sets cost me exactly $550 each. I have not been able to do an A/B test, but each set is run by a Denon AVR in different rooms. Without Audyssey, the EMP set is very underwhelming, while the Infinity set are pretty good. With Audyssey, the Infinity set are great. I will test the EMP set with Audyssey soon, and I really hope it fixes their lackluster performance, especially the center channel. They sure are purdy though
I personally have not heard any EMP stuff yet, so I have no opinion on them one way or the other, but I believe this is the first negative thing I have heard about them.
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So thought I'd make my first post in here after purchasing a pair of R5Bis over the weekend. Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has posted here. All of the information you guys have provided has been tremendously helpful.

This is my first step into real home audio, and I'm doing so on a very limited budget. This will be mostly music but a fair amount of movies as well. Decided to start with a 2.1 system which includes the following:

Denon E-300
EMP R5Bis
Dayton Sub-1200

All in all, around $420 for what I'm hoping will be a pretty decent little system. I know this won't compare to many of the systems you guys have, but I'm very excited about it. Especially considering I'm upgrading from TV speakers and an old iPod dock.
You've made some great choices to get started. I always recommend people start with a 2.1 system, and I think you will really enjoy your new speakers. I would recommend getting some 24" Sanus speaker stands, and researching the "sub-crawl" method, so you can find the best location in your room.

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