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post #4051 of 4581 Old 12-12-2014, 08:47 PM
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Ross the synchronicity of your posts is perfect. :-)

I'm using XT (with 3 point sampling) at the moment and had been wondering at how the _actual_ differences played out if I upgraded to X32. Thanks for that info!
You might be surpised at the sound quality improvement with your current XT if you utilize all 8 measuring points. The suggested mic patterns shown here are the best I have used (I run the Basic pattern which gives highest SQ to the main listener):

http://www.hometheatershack.com/foru...tml#post622338
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Well, finally got around to getting everything setup today. I just have one word - WOW. I'm no audiophile, but you don't have to be to appreciate how great these speakers sound. As others have said, what strikes me the most about the R5Bis is the clarity. I definitely wasn't expecting to get something that sounded this good considering the budget I was on. They pair well with the Denon E300 and Dayton Sub-1200. And for a little over $400 all in, I couldn't be more pleased with the results.

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i want to pull the trigger now, finally after a whole year waiting

i dont see any clearance items at emptek

2 towers

the center

$872 total

im scared to pull the trigger

upgrading from first generation andrew jones pioneer speakers.

this is huge for me because im on a budget.

i have denon 1712 and bic f12 subwoofer i will use with these.

tell me im doing the right thing. i wont be buying new speakers for at least 2 years and im keeping the 1712 and bic f12

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thats it im buying these mother****ers
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i want to pull the trigger now, finally after a whole year waiting

i dont see any clearance items at emptek

2 towers

the center

$872 total

im scared to pull the trigger

upgrading from first generation andrew jones pioneer speakers.

this is huge for me because im on a budget.

i have denon 1712 and bic f12 subwoofer i will use with these.

tell me im doing the right thing. i wont be buying new speakers for at least 2 years and im keeping the 1712 and bic f12

Try this: http://emptek.com/HolidaySale14.php The supplies of many of these speakers have been exhausted during the sale. You can still order at the sale price, but delivery may not come until late February or early March. Call EMP Tek to get the details and restrictions.

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thats it im buying these mother****ers
can't say how YOU will like them...but a year in to them myself and STILL have a u know what grin on my face!!
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i keep getting a payment processing error. just when i decided to pull the trigger. maybe its a sign. sigh
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yep, I am almost 2 years in and I have upgraded my AV-rec, and subwoofer....but the speakers still sound great!

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Try this: http://emptek.com/HolidaySale14.php The supplies of many of these speakers have been exhausted during the sale. You can still order at the sale price, but delivery may not come until late February or early March. Call EMP Tek to get the details and restrictions.
theres always a payment processing error at emptek tonight. its not my credit card maybe emptek is having a problem with their site right now. i was so ready i am tempted to go my plan b option ascend acoustic 340s
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theres always a payment processing error at emptek tonight. its not my credit card maybe emptek is having a problem with their site right now. i was so ready i am tempted to go my plan b option ascend acoustic 340s
Not sure if they're open on saturday or not, but give Brian a call tomorrow morning and he'll get you taken care of.

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Well, finally got around to getting everything setup today. I just have one word - WOW. I'm no audiophile, but you don't have to be to appreciate how great these speakers sound. As others have said, what strikes me the most about the R5Bis is the clarity. I definitely wasn't expecting to get something that sounded this good considering the budget I was on. They pair well with the Denon E300 and Dayton Sub-1200. And for a little over $400 all in, I couldn't be more pleased with the results.
Right on! It's a great feeling to get more than expected for your money.
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theres always a payment processing error at emptek tonight. its not my credit card maybe emptek is having a problem with their site right now. i was so ready i am tempted to go my plan b option ascend acoustic 340s
The Ascend 340s is a great plan B.

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Luis, there are two speakers i have heard a lot of...the EMPtek e5Ti, that I own and a very good friend who has the Ascend Acoustic CMT340. Both are very good speakers! Both are very similar in they both are neutral, claer and detail. The ascends have slightly better bass. the EMP better midrange...
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What did you guys use for test material? I've downloaded one of the reference disks. Anythint else?
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I snagged a pair of R5Bi's on blackfriday for use in my office. At first listen I was a little underwhelmed with the tweeter. However letting them run in for a day has really opened them up. Used in a near-field setup as computer speakers they sound great and image very well. Definitely worth the $168 entry fee.

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many of us have noted that the EMP seemed to be electronically 'toned down" on the high end. You computer or receiver can EQ that and then they sound very balanced. I don't remember who, but someone replaces the tweeter on his E55ti and was very happy with the results...

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I am kind of stumped

I received R55ti towers, the R56 center and the R5Bi surrounds couple of days back and just unpacked them. Needless to say, they look beautiful - color, finish etc is flawless. See pics. These will into the basement theater which is still being carpeted.

So, I tried to give them a shot and hooked them up to a brand new Denon S900W and a couple of years old LG Blu-Ray player. I popped in X-Men Days of Future Past blu-ray and gave it a run. I have not run any Denon built in EQ etc. I just wanted to listen how the Denon will work with the EMPTek towers and the center.

The results are very underwhelming. Even after cranking up the volume to about 60% of max on Denon, the sound is pretty normal coming from the center and not something that will blow your mind.

I am thinking something is wrong with the connections or the blu-ray player. I hooked these up using couple of years old 16 AWG speaker wire. Would this have an impact?

In the blu-ray player, I set the audio to pass thru to the receiver. I am not sure if there is an issue there. The video does show up fine. I will play around to see what the issue is. If anyone have any ideas, please drop a hint and I will chase it.
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pilli, give it some time. You will have to figure out placement and probably run EQ to get optimal SQ from them. As I said a couple posts ago, the speakers are electronically tuned to be "light" on the high end,and your room correction software will boast that abit and that will flatten the response out. Also, they just don't try to hit low and are designed to be used with a capable sub!

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I am kind of stumped

I received R55ti towers, the R56 center and the R5Bi surrounds couple of days back and just unpacked them. Needless to say, they look beautiful - color, finish etc is flawless. See pics. These will into the basement theater which is still being carpeted.

So, I tried to give them a shot and hooked them up to a brand new Denon S900W and a couple of years old LG Blu-Ray player. I popped in X-Men Days of Future Past blu-ray and gave it a run. I have not run any Denon built in EQ etc. I just wanted to listen how the Denon will work with the EMPTek towers and the center.

The results are very underwhelming. Even after cranking up the volume to about 60% of max on Denon, the sound is pretty normal coming from the center and not something that will blow your mind.

I am thinking something is wrong with the connections or the blu-ray player. I hooked these up using couple of years old 16 AWG speaker wire. Would this have an impact?

In the blu-ray player, I set the audio to pass thru to the receiver. I am not sure if there is an issue there. The video does show up fine. I will play around to see what the issue is. If anyone have any ideas, please drop a hint and I will chase it.
What do you mean by "normal"? Do you have sound coming in to the surrounds? Is the blu-ray player setup to send 5.1 or stereo? If you haven't run Audyssey, then you really need to do that before trying out more content. It makes a huge difference. What DSP are you using if any?
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pilli, give it some time. You will have to figure out placement and probably run EQ to get optimal SQ from them. As I said a couple posts ago, the speakers are electronically tuned to be "light" on the high end,and your room correction software will boast that abit and that will flatten the response out. Also, they just don't try to hit low and are designed to be used with a capable sub!
His sig says he's using an Outlaw which should be good. However, he didn't mention if it was hooked up for this demo.
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His sig says he's using an Outlaw which should be good. However, he didn't mention if it was hooked up for this demo.
The sub is not hooked up for the demo. I plan to hook it up tomorrow.

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The sub is not hooked up for the demo. I plan to hook it up tomorrow.
Def hook up the sub. These speakers are great at imaging, but are purposefully not built to dig low and blow out highs. The sub and eq should make it sound significantly better.
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What do you mean by "normal"? Do you have sound coming in to the surrounds? Is the blu-ray player setup to send 5.1 or stereo? If you haven't run Audyssey, then you really need to do that before trying out more content. It makes a huge difference. What DSP are you using if any?
Thanks for the quick reply.

Well, better than TV speakers was my expectation, at least in the volume area :-). I can hear sound coming from surrounds, but again it is at a very low volume. The blu-ray is set to 5.1. I have not connected the sub yet.

I will run Audyssey that comes with S900W tomorrow and see how much difference it makes. I will also stream some online content and content from phones to rule out the blu-ray player. I want to make sure the speakers are fine and not banged up in anyway in shipping etc. I can always swap out the Denon, if I got a lemon.

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Thanks for the quick reply.

Well, better than TV speakers was my expectation, at least in the volume area :-). I can hear sound coming from surrounds, but again it is at a very low volume. The blu-ray is set to 5.1. I have not connected the sub yet.

I will run Audyssey that comes with S900W tomorrow and see how much difference it makes. I will also stream some online content and content from phones to rule out the blu-ray player. I want to make sure the speakers are fine and not banged up in anyway in shipping etc. I can always swap out the Denon, if I got a lemon.
OK - you may have the same concern as me when I first got my media center setup. It feels like you have to turn up the AVR a LOT to get a good sound. I put my AVR at -20 typically, however that means -20 under reference. Reference would likely hurt your hears. If you have only turned it up 60%, turn it up more. :-) What's the # on the receiver?
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I previously commented that my experience with the E5Ti and especially the E5Ci was underwhelming with DirecTV, "okay" for movies and just "good" with music. They were used with an Onkyo SR-304 for a few years. I have an update.

After running Audyssey MultEQ on the new Denon E300, the tone and clarity of dialogue and vocals is much improved. It no longer sounds like people are talking to me through a cardboard box. The high end is more balanced, with the tone corrected and harshness eliminated. The midrange is also tighter with more differentiation between tones and notes. Bass is smoother and more accurate, though just "enough" for music and TV, but not for movies. I believe these speakers beat my Infinity P362s in clarity. They however lack the overall impact, being smaller of course. Would definitely recommend a good sub with these for movies. For just a TV and music setup though, they are great.
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What's the # on the receiver?

Whatever the room calibration software says it should be.
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1. As many have pointed out, unless you are just lucky, you won't get good sound until you have sent them up properly (spacing, etc) and run EQ.
2. like everything new, your ears will need sometime to be broken in by the speakers.

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What's the # on the receiver?

Whatever the room calibration software says it should be.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the room calibration doesn't tell you what volume you should set. It only calibrated what reference should sound like, although even in that case, every manufacturer can be different. Most people are used to listening to compressed music where they just need to turn up the volume slightly to hear sound. In a good setup, you are setting how close to reference you would like to listen to the content. If 60% really means -50, then he needs to crank it more. I remember being worried I was going to blow the receiver when I first got my setup.
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One of the things that I would strongly recommend doing after running Audyssey is to go back in and check the levels using an SPL meter and adjust accordingly. My method of doing things generally involves me running Audyssey in a single position and then allowing my AVR to calculate everything. Make sure things like speaker distance is pretty close to correct by measuring the actual distance between the speaker and the calibration mic. You should be within a few inches in terms of distance. I also would check the speaker levels, make sure that all your speakers are being tested and further make sure that your sub isn't outside the range. I own a Denon, so for me I need a number above -12. Once that is done and the numbers look alright, rerun Audyssey in all positions. Once done with the adjust cross over and set all speakers to small. I also take the time to go in and test speaker levels and adjust them all to proper reference level. Audyssey does a good job, but I almost always find them 1.5-2db off of reference.

Getting sound to sound good takes time and effort. Is is something that you're going to need to play around with until you get it where you want it. Also play around with things if you want Dynamic Volume on on any kind of compression through Audyssey. I personally don't run either, but it really is a personal choice based on what sounds best to you.

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