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smcmillan2's Avatar smcmillan2
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...I wish sound was that easy, but it's not.
Amen to that, brother!

To add to the great suggestions by ousooner2, also try adjusting the crossover for your EMPs/RBHs. My Denon set the crossover to 60 for mine, which may technically be correct, but they sounded boomy at that level. Still deciding what crossover I prefer, but it's somewhere between 90 and 120. Above 120 and I start losing the midrange detail.

Placement is a huge factor for speakers as well. If you don't have a dedicated theater/listening room, getting speakers to fit in your decor/layout and still sound their best can be a real challenge. I spent about a week trying different locations, finally found the sweet spot between sound and WAF. Now I just have to patch the holes in the walls where I hung them temporarily...

Point being, you have time to play around with positioning and receiver settings, utilize it and see if you can find a combination that works in your room. If not, return them, but at least you'll have some idea of what kind of sound you're looking for from your next set of speakers.
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tcm3: Well … your chair position sucks . Let people you don't like sit there . Your couch position looks really good. Before investing in the R55Wi's, I'd move the R5Bi's to the rear wall and test them out. I'm a big believer in testing things out before spending money you may not need to spend. You may be just fine with a 5.1 setup. Usually bipole speakers are used when the seating area is pretty far off-axis when using a bookshelf speaker (or maybe you have two rows of seating, like in a home theater). I don't see that situation here (except for that dang chair).
I know, but it's a darn comfy chair. Fortunately, my son loves it and as long as there are big explosions, he'll be happy (hence the new sub).
No, the main seating area is pretty good and I've had no complaints with the bookshelves. Basically, I saw two good spots on the back walls for speakers and I thought maybe it would increase the movie experience. That's a good suggestion. I have a pair of small Energy speakers I could put up there to try it out. They are not bipoles, but it might give me an idea of what it could add.
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^ LOL! I've got one of those comfortable chairs that sit way off axis as well . So I just move to the couch and use the chair for reading.

Yep, by all means check out how the Energy speakers sound. Heck, they may be all you need (or they may not have much of an effect).
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Dipoles are a matter of taste and how well they work can depend on your layout. I have never run 7.1, and in 5.1 mode, I prefer the sound coming from my surrounds to be anchored to a spot or directional.
I think those EMP dipoles are excellent, based on what people in this thread have been saying (big suprise!), so if that is the way you want to go, those e55wi sound sound great. All EMP speakers have excellent driver quality!
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Just a quick note, as I am finishing up some side by side comparisons of the EMPtek10i10i sub versus my newly purchase Outlaw LFM1 plus...

Purchased Guardians of the Galaxy as a chrismas present to my son in law, but he is going to have to except it used, because I watched it. Really good movie which doesn't hit super low, but has a lot of dynamic content I would guess in the 35-100hz range. After watching it with my new Outlaw LFM1 plus, I rewatched a couple scenes with the EMPtek 10i10i and the EMP tek really handled the scenes with excllence and great accuracy. I could hear some subtle details (well, as subtle as a subwoofer can be at -10db during a very dynamic movie) on a couple scenes that I didn't hear with the Outlaw! I purchased the Oulaw sub becuase I wanted a sub that could hit the lows of modern HT...but man, that EMP sub is good at everything except the "below 35 hz" stuff.
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Just a quick note, as I am finishing up some side by side comparisons of the EMPtek10i10i sub versus my newly purchase Outlaw LFM1 plus...

Purchased Guardians of the Galaxy as a chrismas present to my son in law, but he is going to have to except it used, because I watched it. Really good movie which doesn't hit super low, but has a lot of dynamic content I would guess in the 35-100hz range. After watching it with my new Outlaw LFM1 plus, I rewatched a couple scenes with the EMPtek 10i10i and the EMP tek really handled the scenes with excllence and great accuracy. I could hear some subtle details (well, as subtle as a subwoofer can be at -10db during a very dynamic movie) on a couple scenes that I didn't hear with the Outlaw! I purchased the Oulaw sub becuase I wanted a sub that could hit the lows of modern HT...but man, that EMP sub is good at everything except the "below 35 hz" stuff.

There is little meaningful content below 35 hz. Mastering techs have to deal with what most people have and most people do not have systems that will reproduce much below that level.
Elihawk's Avatar Elihawk
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Tell that to the makers of Oblivion, Godzilla 2014 and Live, Die Repeat! But I agree, 99% of my DVD and blue rays played without issue on the EMPtek sub!
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OK, @Elihawk and @Transmaniacon mentioned in this thread that you folks like your EMP prOn over here, so I'm doing my part

Received the R5Bi pair and R5Ci on Dec 5th. Initially just plugged them in to make sure they were in perfect working order, then spent some time to determine best placement and receiver settings. Not an audiophile by any means, but the first 2 words that came to mind when I heard them were "Depth" and "Clarity". These replaced a pair of Mirage Nanosat Prestige and the matching Nano-CC center.

I'm not sure how I could write anything that accurately describes the sound, so I'll keep this brief. By "Depth" I will reference the Allman Brothers Band, specifically "Melissa". Anyone that has heard this song on lesser speakers knows how "flat" it is - Not much forward vs. back, all pretty much on a similar plane. The R5Bis give this song (and many others, I'm sure) depth that I have never experienced before.

"Clarity" I feel is fairly self-explanatory. The mid and high ranges appear to me to be very accurate. They are not harsh at all, nor are they too laid back.

For HT the R5Ci center works very well in our living/games room "theater". Much cleaner dialog than I have heard from other centers.

Love the speakers, glad I took the leap and I understand what you all have been talking about now!

EDIT: My bad, a special "thanks" goes out to @dsrussell for his review that helped me to decide on the EMPs!


So, on to the prOn:

Full frontal. Made an already wide soundstage from the speakers even wider. Angled down and toed in to the MLP.


Left. You can see the Pinpoint AM20 holding her up, and that my patch job hasn't been sanded/painted yet


Right


And center. That's a Samsung HL61A750 for reference (61")

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Elihawk's Avatar Elihawk
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great looking system, smcmillan2! Three questions- What are you using to mount thoes to the wall? What sub is that? and Last, is Harbaugh going to leave the NFL for Ann Arbour? That would be a coup if he is woed to Michigan...
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OK, @Elihawk and @Transmaniacon mentioned in this thread that you folks like your EMP prOn over here, so I'm doing my part

Received the R5Bi pair and R5Ci on Dec 5th. Initially just plugged them in to make sure they were in perfect working order, then spent some time to determine best placement and receiver settings. Not an audiophile by any means, but the first 2 words that came to mind when I heard them were "Depth" and "Clarity". These replaced a pair of Mirage Nanosat Prestige and the matching Nano-CC center.

I'm not sure how I could write anything that accurately describes the sound, so I'll keep this brief. By "Depth" I will reference the Allman Brothers Band, specifically "Melissa". Anyone that has heard this song on lesser speakers knows how "flat" it is - Not much forward vs. back, all pretty much on a similar plane. The R5Bis give this song (and many others, I'm sure) depth that I have never experienced before.

"Clarity" I feel is fairly self-explanatory. The mid and high ranges appear to me to be very accurate. They are not harsh at all, nor are they too laid back.

For HT the R5Ci center works very well in our living/games room "theater". Much cleaner dialog than I have heard from other centers.

Love the speakers, glad I took the leap and I understand what you all have been talking about now!

EDIT: My bad, a special "thanks" goes out to @dsrussell for his review that helped me to decide on the EMPs!
Congratulations, smcmillan, and thanks for posting pictures and giving us your thoughts! That's a nice room and I especially like the wine rack and "fridge full of beer?" . That makes everything better . I also noticed you have your sub on furniture sliders (I do too) -- makes life so much easier.

Anyway, I'm happy to hear that you like your system (and I didn't steer you wrong … whew).
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great looking system, smcmillan2! Three questions- What are you using to mount thoes to the wall? What sub is that? and Last, is Harbaugh going to leave the NFL for Ann Arbour? That would be a coup if he is woed to Michigan...
Thanks! Love it during college football season and March Madness!

* Pinpoint AM20s hold up the L/R. I stripped one of the threads on the left, but (somewhat surprisingly to me) some Krazy glue and temporary support while it dried took care of that. They are rated for 12lbs but I think the R5Bi at ~7 is about as heavy as I would go.

* Acoustech PL-200 in the pictures, nice sub for the money. And a DIY in the back corner based on the 24" cube with Infinity 1260w driver models found in this thread. The combination shakes the whole main floor during movies if I let it!

* What gives you the impression I know about Michigan football?
Don't know if Harbaugh's interested, and I'm not sure he would be a good fit (although he is a "Michigan Man"), but given our last 7 seasons they better come up with a winner!
smcmillan2's Avatar smcmillan2
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Congratulations, smcmillan, and thanks for posting pictures and giving us your thoughts! That's a nice room and I especially like the wine rack and "fridge full of beer?" . That makes everything better . I also noticed you have your sub on furniture sliders (I do too) -- makes life so much easier.

Anyway, I'm happy to hear that you like your system (and I didn't steer you wrong … whew).
Didn't see going wrong with the EMPs after reading Andrew's review as well as yours. Even my wife, who thought the Nanosats were fine, thinks these speakers sound great and are a terrific bargain.

Funny you put it in quotes, because it's literally a "fridge full of beer"
This is our "games" room, it used to house a pool table and dart board, but now just the dart board and multiple TVs (for all the "games"!).

The sub on the pads isn't really necessary for moving it (it's light, I believe I weighed it at ~34lbs), but it was suggested to raise it slightly to combat some boominess I was experiencing. I need to work the AVR settings some more to get everything just right, then I'm sure I can remove those.

Thanks again! Really enjoying the sound.
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Do you guys have a list of wall mounts that work with the R5Bi's? I see lots of wall mounts on Amazon but have no idea which ones will work and which ones wont. If you don't have a list could you please mention a few recommended wall mounts?

Thanks!
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Do you guys have a list of wall mounts that work with the R5Bi's? I see lots of wall mounts on Amazon but have no idea which ones will work and which ones wont. If you don't have a list could you please mention a few recommended wall mounts?

Thanks!
@ousooner2 had mentioned to me in another thread that he was using the Pinpoint AM20, so that's what I went with. Another mount that has been recommended is the VideoSecu Clamping bracket, but the WAF wasn't there for our room.

If you go with the AM20 just don't play with them too much, that's how I ended up stripping one of the threads (see above). But they are holding quite well now.
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getting Harbaugh would be a coup for sure, but 8 million per year!? Well, the Big Ten needs good teams and we haven't had enough recently, so even though I am a Hawkeye, it is good for the BT for Michigan to be good again! You guys could have had Pellini...

nice subwoofer combo, especially the DIY!

Good to hear those Pinmounts are working...when the R5bi come back in stock, I will need to get a pair for surrounds. The SLS Q Line surrounds I am using can only handle content above 120hz, and i feel/hear them distorting a lot at -15dB or less, so...it is now the weak link in my system.
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nice subwoofer combo, especially the DIY!
Yeah, the PL-200 was a good step up from the Mirage sub, but also ended up being the entrance to the rabbit hole for me. Got that in September, and immediately started looking around to see how I could get MORE!! For the price of the 1260 it was a no-brainer for me...

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Good to hear those Pinmounts are working...when the R5bi come back in stock, I will need to get a pair for surrounds. The SLS Q Line surrounds I am using can only handle content above 120hz, and i feel/hear them distorting a lot at -15dB or less, so...it is now the weak link in my system.
The Pinpoints are holding so far, but I don't think I would hang more than the weight of the R5Bi on them. If I had to do it again I would go with the VideoSecu clamping mounts I linked to above - If they were available in white I would have gone with those to begin with.
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Smcmillian2 Awesome, glad you're enjoying them so far. I also am running that same configuration with the mains and the center (No surrounds yet) Love your set up, I really like the 3 extra TV's you got there, very nicely integrated and very clean looking. As a fellow Michigander I'll be over sometime in March to watch the games haha. Also love seeing you rocking to some Steve Miller Band. One of my all time favorite bands and my very first concert when I was 17 years old.

PS Go Green! =)
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@smcmillan2 Looks great! Now you just need a second PL-200 flanking the TV
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@smcmillan2 , Sounds like a great setup. I am wondering what is your room size ? I now have a similar EMP setup and I am planning to add a PL-200 sub to it.

My living room opens to Kitchen and is just about 2900 cubic feets, however this is on a first floor of an apartment complex(do not want to be a pain for neighbors) so I am looking for a decent sub which would fill the missing bass(music, movies) from the R5bis.
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Smcmillian2 Awesome, glad you're enjoying them so far. I also am running that same configuration with the mains and the center (No surrounds yet) Love your set up, I really like the 3 extra TV's you got there, very nicely integrated and very clean looking. As a fellow Michigander I'll be over sometime in March to watch the games haha. Also love seeing you rocking to some Steve Miller Band. One of my all time favorite bands and my very first concert when I was 17 years old.
Bfielder, PM me if you get in my neck of the woods, happy to have you stop by to see/hear the setup. I put together the 3 above the large screen a couple years ago, but the room "belongs" to my wife during the off seasons (Mine during college football and March Madness seasons).

The Steve Miller I was playing in that shot is his Born 2B Blue CD, it has great dynamics for setting up a sound system.

BTW, just listened to Diana Krall on the R5Bi - Can't use those words here. Exquisite!

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PS Go Green! =)
Go White! My daughter graduated from State, son is currently attending UM Dearborn. Interesting around here on those game days!
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@smcmillan2 Looks great! Now you just need a second PL-200 flanking the TV
Thanks Trans! Instead of flanking I am building a DIY in the opposite corner (behind) with an Infinity 1260 to dig deeper. Yep, the rabbit hole has another victim! This pic is of the carcass that I have in place for testing, will be sprucing it up to match the rest of the decor next month.

BTW, this thing kicks @$$ for the money. $60 for the driver plus the iNuke 1000DSP - Cheap thrills!

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Bfielder, PM me if you get in my neck of the woods, happy to have you stop by to see/hear the setup. I put together the 3 above the large screen a couple years ago, but the room "belongs" to my wife during the off seasons (Mine during college football and March Madness seasons).

The Steve Miller I was playing in that shot is his Born 2B Blue CD, it has great dynamics for setting up a sound system.

BTW, just listened to Diana Krall on the R5Bi - Can't use those words here. Exquisite!


Go White! My daughter graduated from State, son is currently attending UM Dearborn. Interesting around here on those game days!
Yeah man I appreciate the offer. Might have to take you up on that sometime.

And yeah I can imagine, living in a house divided like that would be pretty fun haha.
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@smcmillan2 , Sounds like a great setup. I am wondering what is your room size ? I now have a similar EMP setup and I am planning to add a PL-200 sub to it.

My living room opens to Kitchen and is just about 2900 cubic feets, however this is on a first floor of an apartment complex(do not want to be a pain for neighbors) so I am looking for a decent sub which would fill the missing bass(music, movies) from the R5bis.
@localghost , I think the PL-200 is a very good sub for the money. The room in the pics is 13.5Wx17.5D with 8' ceilings, open on 2 sides (to dining room and entrance hallway). My OCD is the reason I went on the hunt for more bass, that and I love to build things. I built the stand the TV sits on - not my best effort - as well as the cabinet "bridge" holding the 3 24" TVs.

I purchased the PL-200 based off of the "Budget subs @ $300 or less" thread here on AVS, and I don't regret it. It replaced an old Mirage 8" sub, that being my only reference to a "subwoofer". You might want to look into the SVS subs, particularly the PB-1000 or SB-1000, as they model much better than the PL-200 in the lower frequencies. Note that placement is key with subs, where you want to place it may or may not be where it performs the best. If you have the ability/inclination you might want to check out DIY, a lot of bang-for-your-buck there.

Regarding the neighbors, anything you put in your setup can be toned up/down so I wouldn't be too concerned with that.
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I am posting this because I have seen a lot of questions over the last few pages inquiring about mounts for the bookshelf speakers. I looked into the pinpoints that a lot of the other people mentioned, but decided to go with something a little more heavy duty.

I finally got the "mount it! Heavy duty universal satellite speaker mounts" (four mounts for $30) from Amazon. I would post the link but I'm not yet at five posts.

They are rated for 33 lbs. and seem solid as a rock. I did have to buy some M6 bolts from the local hardware store as they don't come with any but the mounting holes on the speakers and brackets match up perfectly
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Here's pictures of my friend's Paradigm Studio 60 next to E55ti. He thinks both sounded equally good.
Have you seen anyone done this? He uses the E55ti as main and put the Studio 60 as surround, permanently Not kidding. Does this make sense?
E55ti = $477/pair (main)
Studio 60 = $2340/pair (surround)





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Wow, that certainly says something about the EMPtek speakers!
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