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25 days into my ownership has proven to be style rocking good
increasing the volume is yielding favorable output results,sweet spot time is occurring ever more frequently
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Aren't they pretty?

It makes me want to keep them, but my Dad has agreed to buy them as I go in a different direction.
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Soulburner, what speakers are you going to settle with?

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I have some Chane A3rx-c ordered, but I'm not letting these go until I have done a full comparison. The Chanes aren't as pretty but I'm really intrigued by the planar magnetic tweeter and the splitgap woofers.
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I finally have the living room set up about the way it's going to stay and the R5Ci and R5Bi speakers are sounding great.

There is one issue though, the center channel seems to be very sensitive to the direction that it's pointing. If I'm directly in front of it, dialogue sounds great. If I sit about 4' to the left or right, it sound like everyone is whispering. The way the room is set up, someone will always be sitting at this location where it's difficult to hear. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't really want to add the cost of a second center channel, but will do so if needed.

The MLP is about 10-11' from the front of the speaker. I can probably gain an additional 1-1.5 if tht would help, but would need to mount the speaker almost on the wall.

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Unfortunately, the physics of a horizontal MTM array dictate that there will be very little tweeter dispersion to the left and right. That shouldn't quite cause the effect you're describing though.

Do you have Audyssey?
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I finally have the living room set up about the way it's going to stay and the R5Ci and R5Bi speakers are sounding great.

There is one issue though, the center channel seems to be very sensitive to the direction that it's pointing. If I'm directly in front of it, dialogue sounds great. If I sit about 4' to the left or right, it sound like everyone is whispering. The way the room is set up, someone will always be sitting at this location where it's difficult to hear. Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't really want to add the cost of a second center channel, but will do so if needed.

The MLP is about 10-11' from the front of the speaker. I can probably gain an additional 1-1.5 if tht would help, but would need to mount the speaker almost on the wall.
I don't notice this with my R5Ci. Our MLP is also ~11' from the center channel, with seats to left and right. The dialog is a little less clear off center, but certainly not a whisper.

What does your center sit on? If it sits back on a shelf/top bring it forward so the front of the speaker overhangs the edge of whatever it sits on, otherwise you're getting reflections/bouncing that could have the effect you are describing.
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The speaker sits on a table under the projector screen, but it's been moved to the front to avoid any reflections. It is sitting a little low, which will be remedied soon hopefully, but the MLP still sounds good.

Sadly, I don't have Audessey with my Sony receiver. Their built in calibration isn't too bad.

Is there any good way to add a second center? Would it require an amp with 2 center outputs?
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A second center?...

You need to find the issue's with your current one first before trying to just add more and likely create more nulls and issues. Make sure all drivers are working properly. If it's a good deal lower and not aimed upwards, then you're off-axis to the left or right PLUS your off-axis vertically. Definitely not ideal. The r56c is going to be quite a bit better, but that purchase is up to you. Do you have them level matched? I know with the r56c is about 1.5-2dB lower than the r55's (so you'd need to bump the r56c UP 1.5dB to 2dB over the r55 towers).

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The speaker sits on a table under the projector screen, but it's been moved to the front to avoid any reflections. It is sitting a little low, which will be remedied soon hopefully, but the MLP still sounds good.
SageFly, I have the same setup as you and posted to this forum a couple months ago with the same issue. The recommendation was to move the center channel back to increase dispersion and also move seats back a bit. That helped a little, but as you know, that creates its own problems... When I posted a pic of my soundstage, someone told me to move my center forward to avoid the reflections. And by moving my seats back, it reduced my surround quality. So you can't really win with this one. I moved mine forward enough to avoid the reflections but still have the narrow sweet spot for voice dialog. I'm also really curious as to why this R56Ci center may have this characteristic! Or do most centers behave the same, but people are used to it... Glad to hear you are raising your center to ear level, but mine is already there (bottom of center is 30" high) and I still have slightly muffled voices at the ends of my 4-chair row. Room length is about 20 feet and 16 feet from chair to center speaker. It doesn't sound bad, but certainly voices are less discernable toward the outside and they really pop in the sweet spot (about 6 feet wide).

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I moved things around a bit this weekend and it's still behaving exactly the same. I have a 4'-4.5' sweet spot with dialogue sounds great, I'd even say amazing, but 2 seats over from the MLP and it's incredibly muffled. My wife usually sits at this position (it's more comfortable) is already hard of hearing, so this makes it more frustrating for the both of us.


I had asked about putting a second center up front, side-by-side with the current one, in hopes of gaining an additional 2-3' of clear vocals. If the tweeters are that directional, it seems like they'd put more than one in a setup unless these are designed for a single small couch sitting dead center at the MLP.


Still loving the speakers, just want to get more out of them if I can.

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Do you have the height clearance to replace it with the r5 bookshelf? That would give you better/more horizontal dispersion and likely cleaner. Maybe see if RBH would allow you to try out the r56ci and if you like it then obviously you'd keep it, but if you don't they might not charge you to ship it back.

Did you check all the drivers to make sure they're working properly? Nothing sounds/looks like it has the polarity swapped? This would be most crucial in the mid drivers.

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Many newer receivers give you multiple calibration points, my 4 year old Yamaha does. It's not so much about each location as it gives the receiver more information to work with. Even taking multiple calibrations a few inches apart can help.

If not, try different places and see if it improves.

Maybe time for an upgrade?

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Did you check all the drivers to make sure they're working properly? Nothing sounds/looks like it has the polarity swapped? This would be most crucial in the mid drivers.

How would I go about checking this? If I open up the box, what would I be looking for?

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How would I go about checking this? If I open up the box, what would I be looking for?
You might want to pick up a calibration disc, I use the Disney WOW disc, others here like the Spears & Munsil DVD. Check your wiring and make sure everything in in phase (positive to positive, negative to negative). Though rare, it's possible to get a speaker that is wired out of phase internally. I had a KLH speaker that had this exact problem. If that's the case contact EMP and see how they want you to deal with it.

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Need speakers advise

Hi,
I would like to ask for advice on this particular thread because I like the look and review of the Emp R55Ti.
Currently, I have the following setup:

Jamo S606 tower + S62 center + other jamo for surround sound
2x Klipsh Sub 200
Denon 4520Ci -> Parasound HCA-1250A
Room: 20 x 25ft. Front speakers are 13ft apart.

Issue: I like how the Jamo sound for the price I paid. However, I feel like:
- Movies (80%): I would like better dialog on the center. Also, I feel like the S62 center has hard time to fill the room. The volume is typically around 60 (0-100 scale) on the receiver to get adequate coverage.
- Music: same problem as the center for movies (too small for the room?), but also the imaging is not very good. It doesn't take much (1-2ft) off-center.
- General: the mid and high is OK, but not clean enough. I don't care about the bass as I have the subs.

Preference:
- I don't like the Klipsh sound. Too harsh on the high and will get fatigue after 30 min of music.
- I like the B&W sound. I auditioned the CM9 and liked it.

Dilemma:
- I don't want to drop $4K for the CM9 + center.
- I want something significantly better than the Jamo setup I have within $1500 budget (include the center).
That takes me to the following speakers:
- Energy RC-70 + RC-LCR: I like the center, but not sure about the towers. The stereo setup at Frys is horrible and one of the tower have issue, so I ended up only listen to 1 w/o sub. I feel like the RC-70 is too harsh, but may be because the setup.
- Polk RTI12: In the Frys' theater setup, I like it. The mid and high is not as CM9 clear, but it has the power for the room size.
- Emp R55Ti: can't audition it, but heard/read good reviews.

Question to current R55Ti + center owners:
- Do you think the R55Ti + center speakers are better than my current setup or the Polk and Energy?
- How are they compare to the CM9 in tonality?
- Do you think it would image well and move enough air for my room size?
- How is the R5Ci compare to the Energy RC-LCR?

Thank guys.

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60 is probably a minimum that most people would watch movies at. Most would be in the 65-70 range I think.
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60 is probably a minimum that most people would watch movies at. Most would be in the 65-70 range I think.
Ah, I like it at 70, but my son's bedroom is right behind the seats :-).
Anyhow, I can get it loud to hear the dialog better, but I would like something that have more clarity on dialog at lower volume
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Ah, I like it at 70, but my son's bedroom is right behind the seats :-).
Anyhow, I can get it loud to hear the dialog better, but I would like something that have more clarity on dialog at lower volume
That's what Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ are for.

If you have them, give that a try.
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That's what Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ are for.

If you have them, give that a try.
Yes, I have them. Still not good enough (with dialog enhancer). That is why I think a new speaker is warrant :-).
How is the Emp center sound and compare to other?
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lanced, the EMP are excellent in the midrange and perhaps because of it, are very clear and detailed speakers. They look great too. In terms of the center, make sure and read a couple post above yours, another user having some trouble with the EMP center in terms of off axis clarity. I think that is typical of MTM design centers, which is how many centers are configured. i do not have such a problem in my theater room, but my theater seating isn't very wide (3 seat wide, to be exact).
Will the EMP speakers be a big upgrade over the Jamo? I suspect yes, but haven't heard them...

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The horizontal dispersion limits of the MTM design should be lessened by the decision to put the tweeter above the plane of the midrange drivers so it isn't right between them. Still, I wouldn't think the dialogue frequencies of most humans to be in the range a tweeter would play anyway. I'm fairly certain those sounds would be playing from the aluminized midrange drivers.
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lanced, the EMP are excellent in the midrange and perhaps because of it, are very clear and detailed speakers. They look great too. In terms of the center, make sure and read a couple post above yours, another user having some trouble with the EMP center in terms of off axis clarity. I think that is typical of MTM design centers, which is how many centers are configured. i do not have such a problem in my theater room, but my theater seating isn't very wide (3 seat wide, to be exact).
Will the EMP speakers be a big upgrade over the Jamo? I suspect yes, but haven't heard them...
I read and it certainly worried me a bit. Would 2 R5Ti bookshelf be good for center?
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I'll assume you meant R5Bi

You don't want to connect two speakers to the same wire from your AVR, because the impedance will halve and an 8ohm load will become 4ohms. Not to mention cancelation effects from being too close together.

Don't underestimate just 1 speaker for center duty.
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I read and it certainly worried me a bit. Would 2 R5Ti bookshelf be good for center?
I use the R5Bi as a center channel with excellent results, but I also own R5Bi's as my left and right speakers after I realized how good these speakers were (didn't feel I needed the towers). I also turned the R5Bi I use as a center channel on its side with no ill effects. How it would work with the R55Ti's, I really couldn't tell you, but it never hurts to try it out (a single R5Bi, not two).

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Ah, I like it at 70, but my son's bedroom is right behind the seats :-).
Anyhow, I can get it loud to hear the dialog better, but I would like something that have more clarity on dialog at lower volume
While EMP is a good choice, I think you would be better suited with a high efficiency speaker to get the kind of dynamics and volume you want. Check out the new speakers from Power Sound Audio, a traditional speaker can't come close to this kind of sound.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/produ...re-your-system

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While EMP is a good choice, I think you would be better suited with a high efficiency speaker to get the kind of dynamics and volume you want. Check out the new speakers from Power Sound Audio, a traditional speaker can't come close to this kind of sound.

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/produ...re-your-system
Isn't this a bass-reflex horn design like the PI speaker? If it is, I am worried that it would very efficient but too bright and not as forgiving (on bad recording).
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I use the R5Bi as a center channel with excellent results, but I also own R5Bi's as my left and right speakers after I realized how good these speakers were (didn't feel I needed the towers). I also turned the R5Bi I use as a center channel on its side with no ill effects. How it would work with the R55Ti's, I really couldn't tell you, but it never hurts to try it out (a single R5Bi, not two).
3 R5Bis are perfects setup as the LCR are exactly the same. May be I should call Emp to check.
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I'll assume you meant R5Bi

You don't want to connect two speakers to the same wire from your AVR, because the impedance will halve and an 8ohm load will become 4ohms. Not to mention cancelation effects from being too close together.

Don't underestimate just 1 speaker for center duty.
Yes, it will be lowered to 4 ohm but I think my receiver can handle them. That said, I agreed that they may null out each other in certain area.

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Isn't this a bass-reflex horn design like the PI speaker? If it is, I am worried that it would very efficient but too bright and not as forgiving (on bad recording).
Any decent speaker is going to reveal a bad recording, EMPs included. Yes it is a horn-loaded bass reflex bookshelf, but I am not sure about brightness, I have not heard anything suggesting that though. While Klipsch has established the reputation that horns=bright, it does depend on the drivers and implementation. They do have a 30 day home trial so you could give a pair of bookshelves a shot. But just judging from what you have said, I think this is the kind of sound you are after. EMP does provide great dynamics and they maintain composure at high volumes, but a they can't compete with a high efficiency design.

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