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I've got the wire run in place now if that large center speaker would just arrive

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i will be interested to hear your thoughts on the Rythmics sub, when it arrives! The LV12R was up on my list, but then Outlaw had the "going away party" for the for the LFM-1 plus...
I'm waiting for the L12, his entry level sealed sub. I'm going to run 2 of them within 6 feet of my seat and I should have tons of bass in a smallish room, with hopefully the best quality in the price range.
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And no new Impression series sub, AGAIN! Maybe related to the shipping/import issues?
Here is what I received from Brian on the Impression Subs. It looks like they are experence the same issues that SVS is with the port strike.

"We are working on new subwoofers. We have a large 12? sub that should be available very soon. I actually expect the cabinets to be here with my next shipment so in the next week or two. I am not sure if we are waiting on anything else. I don?t think so. If we don?t need any other parts then they will be available very soon. If we do have to wait on something else, the time frame will all depend on that piece. Either way I should know more in a couple of weeks. I don?t have pricing or specs yet. I just can?t remember which amp is going in the sub, we have discussed several and I don?t know which one our engineer settled on."
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Wow, that is one elusive sub. I have seen bigfoot twice since I have seen the last Impression series sub for sale!

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Here is what I received from Brian on the Impression Subs. It looks like they are experence the same issues that SVS is with the port strike.

"We are working on new subwoofers. We have a large 12? sub that should be available very soon. I actually expect the cabinets to be here with my next shipment so in the next week or two. I am not sure if we are waiting on anything else. I don?t think so. If we don?t need any other parts then they will be available very soon. If we do have to wait on something else, the time frame will all depend on that piece. Either way I should know more in a couple of weeks. I don?t have pricing or specs yet. I just can?t remember which amp is going in the sub, we have discussed several and I don?t know which one our engineer settled on."
Thanks for the heads-up, at least we know why it's getting held up. Hopefully they went with a beefier amp, like something in the 300 watt RMS range.

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Well, since there seems to be enough ID companies that make really good bang for the buck subs, is the only reason to be excited about an EMptek sub is aesthetics? I really love the red burl look of the Impression series and my EMP10i10i still looks stunning. Doesn't really perform as well as my much less good looking Outlaw, however...I just cannot imagine this sub will be better than comparably prices SVS, HSU, Outlaw, Rythmic or PSA subs.
So if this is going to be a 12 and let assume has a 300 watt amp...at 500 dollars, would it be better than the SVS SB-1000 or Rythmiks LV12?. At 400 dollars, EMP might have something!

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Yeah it will be interesting to see where they price it. Really the only $500 sub right now is the PB-1000, Outlaw, Rythmik, and HSU are all a little more expensive. If they introduce something in the $450 range, that looks fantastic, and gets you PB-1000 performance, I think they will have a winner. A lot of people dislike the big black boxes, so an attractive, affordable sub would be a nice option in my opinion.

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Yes, sub are notoriously ugly- I have two klipsch subs that would only look good with a Victoria secret model on them!

If the EMP 12 were able to hit lower and louder and could come in closer to 400, I would buy it to match my 10i10i and then move my Outlaw upstairs and retire the Klipsch12wD...

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Yes, sub are notoriously ugly- I have two klipsch subs that would only look good with a Victoria secret model on them!

If the EMP 12 were able to hit lower and louder and could come in closer to 400, I would buy it to match my 10i10i and then move my Outlaw upstairs and retire the Klipsch12wD...
If it is a large 12" ported cabinet, it should be able to get down lower than the 1010i, and I would definitely get one in red burl as well!

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Well, since there seems to be enough ID companies that make really good bang for the buck subs, is the only reason to be excited about an EMptek sub is aesthetics? I really love the red burl look of the Impression series and my EMP10i10i still looks stunning. Doesn't really perform as well as my much less good looking Outlaw, however...I just cannot imagine this sub will be better than comparably prices SVS, HSU, Outlaw, Rythmic or PSA subs.
So if this is going to be a 12 and let assume has a 300 watt amp...at 500 dollars, would it be better than the SVS SB-1000 or Rythmiks LV12?. At 400 dollars, EMP might have something!

I think aesthetics are going to be exactly what this sub offers. EMP makes very nice looking speakers at a reasonable price and I think they'll be in the same place with their sub. I've got SVS cylinder in my system, the thing is impressively ugly, but it works well.

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that cylindical sub looks way better than my two black plastic boxes Klipsch subs! UGLY...at least the Outlaw sub in piano black isn't too bad, but still a square big box! Luckily, the sub crawl allowed me to put it back out of the main sight line!

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So the SVS is...

$500 shipped
10" driver w/ 300rms amp (dsp controlled)
19"(H) x 15" (W) x 19.5" (D)


EMP has shown with the e1010i that they can produce a good amount of bass, with great sound quality and great looks for an affordable price. If they can get a hold of a good, relatively high efficiency 12" driver, 450rms or so and put it in a good size ported box...I think they can do this. I'd LOVE to see them do the taller, not deeper approach to this stb too. Love the e1010i and RBH's signature subs that are tall, but not too deep. Not everyone has 23+ inches of depth to play with and sometimes it still looks ridiculous when it's sticking out of the room like crazy.

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Yeah it would be nice to see some taller subs out there. It seems in many cases, the footprint is the limiting factor, so a more vertical biased sub would be great.

I don't know if they could squeeze an amp like that into their budget, but something like the PB-1000 amp with a bigger driver/enclosure should get plenty of output.

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the 10i10i is a nice size and mine is up front with my minitowers, so it has a nice look. That is why I asked in a earlier message in this thread about whether it would be possible to mod the cabinet, perhaps with a bigger amp...sounds like their isn't a lot of space to work with inside the cabinet, but with some modification and then with an external amp...

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There is a great need for quality subwoofers in the $400 to $600 range. I was talking to Jeremy at Reaction Audio (they, at one time, had a couple of very interesting subs around that price range) about the scarcity of such subwoofers. He agreed, and he is looking into that and may consider designing one or two in the future. This is not easy to accomplish, and I think he took a loss on his dual 12-inch opposing driver design.

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There is a great need for quality subwoofers in the $400 to $600 range. I was talking to Jeremy at Reaction Audio (they, at one time, had a couple of very interesting subs around that price range) about the scarcity of such subwoofers. He agreed, and he is looking into that and may consider designing one or two in the future. This is not easy to accomplish, and I think he took a loss on his dual 12-inch opposing driver design.
I remember that dual opposed 12, they had the turbo version as well IIRC. Definitely a better option than the SB-1000 for $500, and it probably gave the PB-1000 a run for it's money. Let's see if EMP can stake a claim in this price range, there is a definite market for them.

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I got this super cheap at Bed Bath and Beyond and it fits under my screen and hold the center perfectly.

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That looks pretty good. Thanks for sharing. I might go visit BBB this weekend, never thought I would want to go to BBB

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Well, since there seems to be enough ID companies that make really good bang for the buck subs, is the only reason to be excited about an EMptek sub is aesthetics? I really love the red burl look of the Impression series and my EMP10i10i still looks stunning. Doesn't really perform as well as my much less good looking Outlaw, however...I just cannot imagine this sub will be better than comparably prices SVS, HSU, Outlaw, Rythmic or PSA subs.
So if this is going to be a 12 and let assume has a 300 watt amp...at 500 dollars, would it be better than the SVS SB-1000 or Rythmiks LV12?. At 400 dollars, EMP might have something!
The SB-1000 and LV12R are very different subs, with the latter easily winning in every category except size and price - but it's only $70 more.

I agree with the above posts, I think if EMP wanted to find a niche, they need to shoot for $400-450. There doesn't seem to be a lot of competition in that range. Or, make the best sub they can and compete on quality in the higher price ranges.
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Okay, question for EMPtek owners...first, a little preface, I watch Interstellar last night on BR, not a bad movie, not excellent either, IMHO, but all of that is irrellevant for the question. Some who had seen the movie had reported that some of the dialogue was hard to hear, which is not an uncommon movie tale. Those "some" now include me and interestingly, I had trouble hearing lines when there was action, but also when the backdrop was very quiet. I had to boast my center channel by +2 db and then even boast it again by +2 db, which helped for the quiet dialogue, but wasn't good for the action scenes.
Now for the question, I have the e5Ci center and I have 52 yr old ears and wondering if EMPtek owners with the biggest center channel don't/won't have this issue? Or is it simply a mix issue, since I haven't had troubles with other movies! For instance, Guardians of the Galaxy, with plenty of action and LFE, I have no issues with dialogue!

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That movie is on my list of ones to watch, I should probably get around to it this weekend. I will let you know if I have any issues with dialogue on the bigger center.

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Trans, it certainly wasn't a constant problem, most of the dialogue is clear... but probably 8-9 times, I had trouble with a vocal scequences. I might not have thought that was unusual, but a couple posters on the LFE/bass movie post pinned in the subwoofer forum mentioned that they had issues with dialogue!

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Okay, question for EMPtek owners...first, a little preface, I watch Interstellar last night on BR, not a bad movie, not excellent either, IMHO, but all of that is irrellevant for the question. Some who had seen the movie had reported that some of the dialogue was hard to hear, which is not an uncommon movie tale. Those "some" now include me and interestingly, I had trouble hearing lines when there was action, but also when the backdrop was very quiet. I had to boast my center channel by +2 db and then even boast it again by +2 db, which helped for the quiet dialogue, but wasn't good for the action scenes.
Now for the question, I have the e5Ci center and I have 52 yr old ears and wondering if EMPtek owners with the biggest center channel don't/won't have this issue? Or is it simply a mix issue, since I haven't had troubles with other movies! For instance, Guardians of the Galaxy, with plenty of action and LFE, I have no issues with dialogue!
I really liked Interstellar and loved the science behind it. It reminded me of 2001. I saw Interstellar in an IMAX theater, and like most any movie there are times when I don’t know what the heck they said, even in quiet scenes. Depending upon the movie, actors mumble, or there are heavy accents, a lot of sound effects, etc. For instance, in Edge of Tomorrow (another movie I really liked), I lost quite a bit of the dialog due to heavy accents of some of the characters (heard them fine, just didn’t have a clue what they said). I don’t remember much of Guardians of the Galaxy, nor whether I had any problems, nor do I remember much of what it was about.

I use just an R5Bi for a center (matches my mains) and I had no more of a problem with Interstellar than any other movie I’ve watched.

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Okay, question for EMPtek owners...first, a little preface, I watch Interstellar last night on BR, not a bad movie, not excellent either, IMHO, but all of that is irrellevant for the question. Some who had seen the movie had reported that some of the dialogue was hard to hear, which is not an uncommon movie tale. Those "some" now include me and interestingly, I had trouble hearing lines when there was action, but also when the backdrop was very quiet. I had to boast my center channel by +2 db and then even boast it again by +2 db, which helped for the quiet dialogue, but wasn't good for the action scenes.
Now for the question, I have the e5Ci center and I have 52 yr old ears and wondering if EMPtek owners with the biggest center channel don't/won't have this issue? Or is it simply a mix issue, since I haven't had troubles with other movies! For instance, Guardians of the Galaxy, with plenty of action and LFE, I have no issues with dialogue!
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That movie is on my list of ones to watch, I should probably get around to it this weekend. I will let you know if I have any issues with dialogue on the bigger center.
This is also on my list to watch this weekend. Probably pick up the BR from Redbox to see how I like it. There are definitely times I feel like the stage is off or it's hard to hear actors in movies, but it's not going to be clear 100% of the time. Like mentioned earlier, it happens to me at the theaters too. Some parts are just not as clear as others it seems. Obviously you're at a disadvantage with any horizontal center, especially off-axis, but it shouldn't be too bad if you're not too far off-axis or directly in-front/on-axis.

Has anyone had a chance to hear the new Klipsch Reference 'Premiere' line yet? They look nice and I've been wanting to hear them. I think I tend to lean towards a slightly higher midrange/treble than 'flat'. Plus it seems my room knocks down high frequencies a bit and once we add tall curtains it'll made it even worse for that.

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Okay, question for EMPtek owners...first, a little preface, I watch Interstellar last night on BR, not a bad movie, not excellent either, IMHO, but all of that is irrellevant for the question. Some who had seen the movie had reported that some of the dialogue was hard to hear, which is not an uncommon movie tale. Those "some" now include me and interestingly, I had trouble hearing lines when there was action, but also when the backdrop was very quiet. I had to boast my center channel by +2 db and then even boast it again by +2 db, which helped for the quiet dialogue, but wasn't good for the action scenes.
Now for the question, I have the e5Ci center and I have 52 yr old ears and wondering if EMPtek owners with the biggest center channel don't/won't have this issue? Or is it simply a mix issue, since I haven't had troubles with other movies! For instance, Guardians of the Galaxy, with plenty of action and LFE, I have no issues with dialogue!
I have the towers and the bigger center and 29 year old ears. I had the same problem. I believe it is a known complaint on that mix by a lot of people, just from reading the bluray review here. Portions that were bass heavy made it especially difficult to hear.

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Okay, question for EMPtek owners...first, a little preface, I watch Interstellar last night on BR, not a bad movie, not excellent either, IMHO, but all of that is irrellevant for the question. Some who had seen the movie had reported that some of the dialogue was hard to hear, which is not an uncommon movie tale. Those "some" now include me and interestingly, I had trouble hearing lines when there was action, but also when the backdrop was very quiet. I had to boast my center channel by +2 db and then even boast it again by +2 db, which helped for the quiet dialogue, but wasn't good for the action scenes.
Now for the question, I have the e5Ci center and I have 52 yr old ears and wondering if EMPtek owners with the biggest center channel don't/won't have this issue? Or is it simply a mix issue, since I haven't had troubles with other movies! For instance, Guardians of the Galaxy, with plenty of action and LFE, I have no issues with dialogue!
From my experience with Nolan, this isn't nothing new. He's been known to do this on purpose. He likes to recreate the scene as if you are watching it unfold in front of you. Sometimes you will not be able to interpret the dialogue, because in reality you wouldn't be able to hear if it you were witnessing it "live". Mcconaughey doesn't help things either. He does tend to mumble, a lot. Especially this character. So as frustrating as it may be missing a word or two, they're probably not important & at points the ride is more important than the meaning. Hope that helps.
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Yes, there is NO QUESTION that some of it is on purpose...when the scene is dead quiet and you still cannot hear the dialogue, well, that is for a reason! I assume Nolan is the director?

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Yes, Nolan was the director.
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Well 12 April and still no EMP sub. Waiting to see what they come out with as of right meow its between the new EMP sub or the HSU research VTF-15H MK2.
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^ What makes you think EMP Tek will make a sub at the VTF-15H Mk2's performance level?

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