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If this stuff is true..


With it being that size, with a 500w amp and a 12" sub...I'd say they're gunning for the PB-2000, not the PB-1000. If they can get the output, especially in the 18-30hz range right there with the PB-2000 and LV12r, they'll have a hit. Some of us know they can build a very nice sounding sub.

Trans, the e1010i sub has a '250w amp' and the plate amp is a DSA-250 so I'm thinking it's possible they're putting a 500w amp on that sucker!

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if you google DSA-500 amp, all you get is an external amp from Focal, which isn't the one!

Boy, if that 500 does mean 500 watts, who else has a 12 inch/500 watts sub for under 700 dollars? SVS has the PB and SB 2000, both around 700. HSU has 350 and 600W subs. PSA has nothing. Rthymiks LV12R is 300 watts. Outlaws Ultra x12 is 350 watts.

All I know is that I am thinking seriously about getting one to pair with my 10i10i and moving my Outlaw LFM1 plus upstair. Bye, bye Klipsch Rw12D! Of course, sounds like I will have to buy it through Sooner and not EMP!

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With it being that size, with a 500w amp and a 12" sub...I'd say they're gunning for the PB-2000, not the PB-1000. If they can get the output, especially in the 18-30hz range right there with the PB-2000 and LV12r, they'll have a hit. Some of us know they can build a very nice sounding sub.

Trans, the e1010i sub has a '250w amp' and the plate amp is a DSA-250 so I'm thinking it's possible they're putting a 500w amp on that sucker!
Well that would be fantastic, 500 watts RMS for a 12" driver in a big ported box should lead to some serious performance.

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Of course, sounds like I will have to buy it through Sooner and not EMP!
Hahah

I'm hoping they get it wrapped up soon! I'd love to audition one and see how they compare to the e1010i. If it has more bottom end...I'm getting 2 for sure.


Or maybe I could stack 2 on either side.....

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Coincidently, the RBH SX-12/R sub uses a 500 watt amp, and is labeled DSA-500

It's very similar looking, though it's hard to find a picture of the back, it looks like it has a single bottom port, and isn't as tall as the sub pictured.

http://rbhsound.com/sx12r.php

Perhaps you are right and they are shooting to compete in a higher price range.

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A larger enclosure can help a slightly 'lesser' driver that doesn't have the excursion capabilities. With the power and the large enclosure I have no doubt they're trying to get into the LOW 20's with authority on this. It'd be pretty cool if they sent one to DataBass for testing

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A larger enclosure can help a slightly 'lesser' driver that doesn't have the excursion capabilities. With the power and the large enclosure I have no doubt they're trying to get into the LOW 20's with authority on this. It'd be pretty cool if they sent one to DataBass for testing
Yeah definitely seems like this is going to be able to get down around 20Hz. Would be cool to see some port plugs as well so you can tune the bass slightly.

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Boy, if that 500 does mean 500 watts, who else has a 12 inch/500 watts sub for under 700 dollars? SVS has the PB and SB 2000, both around 700. HSU has 350 and 600W subs. PSA has nothing. Rthymiks LV12R is 300 watts. Outlaws Ultra x12 is 350 watts.
The thing about the Rythmik servo amps is that they don't have to be as powerful as others, and they couple them with very sensitive drivers. They get performance that defies the watt ratings.
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Looks like the RBH Sx-12/R list for $1600, but can be had new for $1000!

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Looks like the RBH Sx-12/R list for $1600, but can be had new for $1000!
Well if they can save some money on the driver, and the dealer markup, this might be in that $500-600 range. Give performance comparable to the ID brands in that range, but offer the only good looking sub for that money. HSU is the only other brand with a good looking cabinet, but that doesn't start until you get up into the $800 range.

If you can get similar extension to the PB-1000, but with better output and a nicer looking cabinet, I think they have a great sub.

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Okay, question that does not involve the new and as of yet unseen EMPtek subwoofer...

As everyone may remember, I bought a pair of Philharmonitors that Dennis Murphy put a BMR driver as the midrange. Excellent speaker, mostly because of the RAAL ribbon tweeter and the clarity it brings, but not my point. I have used them exclusively in my bedroom in a music only set up and just recently moved them to a 5.1 living room system to test them for HT applications (and temp replacing as set of Def Tech SM450s)...
okay, thats the set up, here is the question. i have a Denon 1613 in that set up and i ran Audessey and it tells me my Phils are "out of phase" Check all wiring 3 times and there is no issue with the wiring (black to black, red to red). Brought the SM450s back, and and no phase issues with them. I ran Audessey about 4 times and it gives me the phase issue every time. The system doesn't sound bad, but I haven't really given it a good test...Thoughts?

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Okay, question that does not involve the new and as of yet unseen EMPtek subwoofer...

As everyone may remember, I bought a pair of Philharmonitors that Dennis Murphy put a BMR driver as the midrange. Excellent speaker, mostly because of the RAAL ribbon tweeter and the clarity it brings, but not my point. I have used them exclusively in my bedroom in a music only set up and just recently moved them to a 5.1 living room system to test them for HT applications (and temp replacing as set of Def Tech SM450s)...
okay, thats the set up, here is the question. i have a Denon 1613 in that set up and i ran Audessey and it tells me my Phils are "out of phase" Check all wiring 3 times and there is no issue with the wiring (black to black, red to red). Brought the SM450s back, and and no phase issues with them. I ran Audessey about 4 times and it gives me the phase issue every time. The system doesn't sound bad, but I haven't really given it a good test...Thoughts?
Hm, I definitely trust they are wired correctly, but maybe crack them open and see that everything is wired correctly. If anything give Dennis a call and see what he thinks, maybe there is something going on in there that causes the receiver to think that. I feel like you would know if they were out of phase, as usually it's the lack of low end.

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Still no subs.... however if you are in the market for some ear buds EMP is having a Memorial Say sale on them. Talked with Brian today and a "large 12" subwoofer" will be in the offering. So that will be interesting to see.


In all seriousness I received my 2 new tweeters today to swap them out with the 2 that keep cutting out in my center and right channels. I am powering the front stage with an Emotiva XPA-3. However, if the tweeter swap does not solve the issue does anyone have any suggestions on solving this issue? I am using a Pioneer SC-05 receiver for processing.
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There may be threads on this already, but I'm more and more intrigued by the EMP Tek line of speakers and am just wondering if there's anything that they could be compared to sound wise. Their prices are excellent, so are they just insane bang for the buck or are they more or less priced appropriately for their sound quality?

I just tried out a few different SVS speakers and was very impressed by them, so curious how the EMPs might compare. Might be interested in checking out EMP's towers and center next if you think they'd compare favorably to the SVS and other brands at similar price points.
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I found them to be an insane bang-for-the buck. Just remember, we are all different in what sonic characteristics makes us happy or unhappy.

Andrew Robinson's video review:
Andrew Robinson review: http://hometheaterreview.com/emp-tek...aker-reviewed/ Andrew preferred the EMPs over the SVS Ultra.

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http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...armonic.84470/

Here's a good shootout with the SVS Ultras and EMPs, these reviewers felt the EMPs were similar sounding and held their own with the more expensive competition.

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Fantastic! I will definitely have to give them a try, then. Sounds like a pair of R55Ti towers along with 4 or 6 of the R5Bi's as surrounds could make quite a formidable setup for the price.
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Yes they definitely some fantastic bang for your buck. EMP, was an off-shoot of RBH Sound, who makes very high end speakers. They have since bought out EMP, presumably to expand their product range, but you are getting a lot of great trickle down design with these speakers. I would definitely go with either 3 towers up front, or if you need a horizontal center, the larger one.

You may want to just try a pair at first, as you do pay return shipping, but it's only about $25 for the bookshelves.
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I think they're a very good bang for the buck. I think you'll have to spend a lot more to get a real improvement. For example, I recently acquired some Reaction Audio CX-10s and will be using EMP surrounds because I find them to be a good match. I had EMP E5Ti and found them very hard to beat until I increased my budget and started looking in the $1k per pair range.

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I think Soulburner has hit it...the EMPtek are better than a few speakers way more expensive than the EMPs, but in general, I would say they are comparable to speakers 2x the cost. For instance, my friend Ray brought over his AA CMT340 which cost him around, which cost him 600/pr and we compared them to my e5tis, which cost me 250/pr and we both came to the conclusion that it was too close to tell which was better (the bass on the CMT, better for sure, but we both have subwoofers, so...).
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Fantastic! I will definitely have to give them a try, then. Sounds like a pair of R55Ti towers along with 4 or 6 of the R5Bi's as surrounds could make quite a formidable setup for the price.
Just remember, you’re in an EMP Tek Owner’s thread. I doubt you’ll read many owners state they hate them . And in order to try them out for 30 days, you will be charged return shipping ($25 for a pair of R5Bi’s, and probably $65 or so for a pair of R55Ti’s), so audition wisely (don’t buy everything at once). The only reason I decided to try out a pair in the first place was because of Andrew’s written review (his review on the Maggies were instrumental in me auditioning, then purchasing the 3.6s, and I read a dozen other highly complimentary reviews before Andrew's review that didn’t sway me). The fact that Andrew and I seem to have similar sonic tastes, plus I knew they would be inexpensive to return, is why I decided to auditioned a pair.

But I can’t stress this enough. A speaker I really like, other people may not. It’s just the way audio is. It is highly personal and subjective. Let your own ears be the judge, and not some stranger who may be half deaf .

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The only reason I decided to try out a pair in the first place was because of Andrew’s written review (his review on the Maggies were instrumental in me auditioning, then purchasing the 3.6s, and I read a dozen other highly complimentary reviews before Andrew's review that didn’t sway me). The fact that Andrew and I seem to have similar sonic tastes, plus I knew they would be inexpensive to return, is why I decided to auditioned a pair.
I can't remember, have you auditioned Ascend Sierra speakers with the ribbon tweeter? I may have "gone big" with my 10" coaxial speakers, but I'm still interested in what those sound like.
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I can't remember, have you auditioned Ascend Sierra speakers with the ribbon tweeter? I may have "gone big" with my 10" coaxial speakers, but I'm still interested in what those sound like.
First, congratulations on your R.A. speakers! Very, very nice choice. I see many years of happiness in your future .

To answer your question, no I didn’t audition the Ascends. I had a lineup of several speakers I wanted to auditioned after I ordered the R5Bi’s, and simply assumed I would keep ordering until I was happy. Since I was more than satisfied with the R5Bi's, I stopped there. The order on my list was JBL Studio 530, Ascend 340s and Sierra 1s (not the 2’s with ribbon tweeters). The reason being, I wanted to stay inexpensive for my movie setup (movies are far less critical for me, while music is primary), and ribbons didn’t give me added value for movies. I already have ribbon tweeters in my Maggies (yes, I’m a big fan of ribbons), but it’s used for music only, in which ribbons shine.

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Thanks. It was sort of a spur of the moment decision I made after being unsatisfied and looking for other options. I kind of threw my hands up and said screw it, I'm doubling the budget.

People in the RA thread have compared these to some JTR, PSA and JBL offerings and say they are very comparable for a fraction of the price. Now I have never heard any of those brands so I don't really have a reference point to compare these to. I just know that they are a very good "do it all" speaker. Music, movies, whatever you want, they do it very well.

But I still have a hankering to hear some ribbon speakers. I really, really liked the magnetic planar of the Chane Arx which I assume would sound similar to Magnepan.
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Thanks. It was sort of a spur of the moment decision I made after being unsatisfied and looking for other options. I kind of threw my hands up and said screw it, I'm doubling the budget.

People in the RA thread have compared these to some JTR, PSA and JBL offerings and say they are very comparable for a fraction of the price. Now I have never heard any of those brands so I don't really have a reference point to compare these to. I just know that they are a very good "do it all" speaker. Music, movies, whatever you want, they do it very well.

But I still have a hankering to hear some ribbon speakers. I really, really liked the magnetic planar of the Chane Arx which I assume would sound similar to Magnepan.
For a spur of the moment decision, it was an excellent one .

Actually, no conventional speaker will sound like panels. Panel speakers have a unique sound signature. Magnepan is a full panel speaker (mylar) and are planar-magnetic designs (conceived/designed by Jim Winey of Magnepan around 1969). There is no box nor standard drivers. The speakers that closely sound like Maggies are ESLs such as the Martin Logans (electrostatic mylar panel speakers -- charged film between 2 stator grids, but with conventional bass drivers). The Magnepan 3.x series is a 3-way speaker — mylar bass panel, mylar midrange panel and ribbon tweeter (over 4 foot long).

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I don't mean that the Arx speaker sounds the same. I just mean that surely some aspects of the tweeter would have similar characteristics.
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I don't mean that the Arx speaker sounds the same. I just mean that surely some aspects of the tweeter would have similar characteristics.
Yes indeed. Both will have an air about them and around the instruments, creating a bit more depth and realism. Great tweeters that soar, but they do get pricey.

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I agree with what dsrussel says about the ribbon tweeter not shining "as much" for HT as they do for music. My Phil BMR just kick ass for some types of music, but when I hooked them up for HT, well they were good, but the dynamics of HT (for most movies) seems to be at the low end...

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Soulburner, I know you owned e5Ti at some point, but what speakers were you using before the RAs?

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and EMP e5Bi surrounds, Outlaw LFM1 Plus sub, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
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