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Well, that is probably a case where Brian doesn't know and should just say that he needs to ask.

I mean, they couldn't have botched the web site more if it took them 8 months to get it up there! Oh, wait... IT DID take them 8 months to get it up there...
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With this hobby...you never know who's telling the truth and who's not with their specs. That's why places like DataBass, Audioholics, etc are so crucial for their measurements. Not only do they not have any skin in the game (usually...lol), it's repeated similarly and properly every time so the comparisons to others are always accurate (talking more about sub measurements here)

Still haven't heard back from them about a review I think it'd spark some interest that they really need. Either send it to me OR...what I'd much prefer...send it to Audioholics or Josh Ricci (DataBass). They can do and confirm a lot more than what I could. I'd rather have measurements than pictures and subjective review. Now guys...if that's not honesty lol

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Thanks all!

I got an email reply directly from Brian at EMP and he answered a few questions of mine...

1) I asked when the full/correct specs for the subwoofers would be posted on their website. The is the reply I got:

"I know they are on the website. All of the information is there except the description I know the add to cart buttons are their but they don't seem to be working at this moment. I will have to check with my team and see when that will be ready. I would imagine they will be available to order any moment." - Brian

2) I then asked if there were ANY differences between the $700 and $500 model besides the larger amp (500w vs 350w). He said:

"The only difference between the two models is the amplifier. They may be tuned different but I am not specifically sure of that yet." - Brian

3) He also said the subwoofers could be stacked on top of each other easily with no potential issues/problems with stress/etc.
Update 4:

I'm showing interest in the $499 model subwoofer, and talked to Brian on the phone. He's been replying back to me super quick, and it seems he's starting to search for some answers. His newest reply was:

"I will have our engineer give you a call. You can actually change the tuning frequency yourself. The Sub has three ports in it. We will be including an acoustic foam that can be inserted into 1, 2 or 3 of the ports so you can self tune them."

I was asking about more concrete statistics, tuning frequency, etc...

More updates to follow.
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Update 5:

Just got off the phone with their main engineer, Shane. He was very informative.

Firstly he apologized as the subs were not supposed to be up on the website just yet. He said the web/graphics team got a little trigger happy.

He then notified me that the two models are indeed difference by their 500w vs 350w amp, but the 500w version will also have a F3 at about 4 to 5hz lower than the 350w version.

He also said the subs have 3 ports, all cam be sealed off (however he does not recommend only using 1 port.)

He says with all ports open, the 350 watt version will be able to play down to about 26-25hz and the 500x version to about 20-19hz.

He said all the details should be posted on the website in the next 48hrs or so.
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Well, if those subs can indeed hit 25 or 20 hz, then that makes them pretty competative in the respective price ranges. Still have the paltry 1 year warranty on the amp, but things are looking better. Maybe the 10i10i had a one year warranty, dont remember...sooner? I was thinking 2.

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Interesting that they know they have an issue with the subs on their web site, but haven't taken the subs off the web site (or fixed the problems). Just makes them look bad- if they cannot get the web site right, well...
I am not web expert, but I could have fixed that in 5 min...

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A lot of subs can play to 10Hz. Doesn't mean that's F3...just saying. It doesn't make sense that the engineer and the website are saying two different things.
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Agreed. But it's promising. Considering the size of the cabinet, I can see these subs hitting real low, especially if they're tuning frequency is that deep.

Either way, I'm ordering the 350 version.

To double the warranty (10 years on subwoofer/cabinet, and 2 years on amp), it's only 50 bucks more.
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He then notified me that the two models are indeed difference by their 500w vs 350w amp, but the 500w version will also have a F3 at about 4 to 5hz lower than the 350w version.
This doesn't make sense to me. An F3, to my knowledge, is solely based on the driver/cabinet tune. Increasing the wattage in the same cabinet with the same driver increases the overall SPL, but all things being equal would produce the same F3.

Or did they indicate that there are other differences between the 2 subs, and I misread what you wrote? Maybe the same amp but with higher/lower high-pass filters between the two?

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He also said the subs have 3 ports, all cam be sealed off (however he does not recommend only using 1 port.)
The port noise near intended tune with only one port open is probably quite noticeable. I get chuffing with my PL-200, but I really only notice it when running test tones at particular Hz, never watching a movie (it's too far away from me for that to be noticeable, as well as too much going on in the other speakers).

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He says with all ports open, the 350 watt version will be able to play down to about 26-25hz and the 500x version to about 20-19hz.

He said all the details should be posted on the website in the next 48hrs or so.
He didn't happen to mention the availability of the Theile/Small parameters for the driver did he? Would be interesting to model it up in WinISD and see what the "ideal" box for a tune ~20Hz would be.
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Well, I too am wonder what the +/- low hz will be. When they say the 500 watt sub can hit 20 hz, what does that really mean.
Anyway, I hope they allow some second party testing and look forward to a user (sooner and vipervenom) reviews....

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Looks like the I-12 is the better buy to me, not sure I need to spend another $200 to gain an extra 4-5 Hz. The PB-1000 is going to dig a little deeper, but this should have the advantage in terms of output and appearance.

Hopefully someone can get this sub tested so we know how it performs, I will probably pick up the I-12 sometime soon.

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I posted on another thread comparing the EMP 55ti to the SVS Prime Towers. Has anyone done a comparison of these 2? The center channel is important to me. Almost more important than the LR speakers because of the dialogue in movies. Is the EMP center better than the SVS center?
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Update 5:

Just got off the phone with their main engineer, Shane. He was very informative.

Firstly he apologized as the subs were not supposed to be up on the website just yet. He said the web/graphics team got a little trigger happy.

He then notified me that the two models are indeed difference by their 500w vs 350w amp, but the 500w version will also have a F3 at about 4 to 5hz lower than the 350w version.

He also said the subs have 3 ports, all cam be sealed off (however he does not recommend only using 1 port.)

He says with all ports open, the 350 watt version will be able to play down to about 26-25hz and the 500x version to about 20-19hz.

He said all the details should be posted on the website in the next 48hrs or so.
My e1010i's can play 1hz tone. It won't be audible, but it'll play it haha. Nothing matters here besides SPL at a given frequency.

...aka....they need to send these off to DataBass if they want to be taken seriously.

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Well, if those subs can indeed hit 25 or 20 hz, then that makes them pretty competative in the respective price ranges. Still have the paltry 1 year warranty on the amp, but things are looking better. Maybe the 10i10i had a one year warranty, dont remember...sooner? I was thinking 2.
If the I-12 comes back like a louder PB-1000....that'll be a hit. If the I-12E comes back as a louder PB-2000...that'll be a hit. Especially sense the prices will likely be even cheaper around sale times.

When looking at the e1010i on their discontinued products page it shows a 1yr on the amp. Pretty interesting about being able to add another year to the amp warranty for $50 though. Having to add $50 to the cost for only another year while places like SVS, etc have double that warranty doesn't really instill confidence in the product.

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Well, I too am wonder what the +/- low hz will be. When they say the 500 watt sub can hit 20 hz, what does that really mean.
Anyway, I hope they allow some second party testing and look forward to a user (sooner and vipervenom) reviews....
I hope they send one to me too, but if it was my decision I'd rather them send it to Josh Ricci or Audioholics. As much as I'd like to play with it, compare it to the e1010i, etc...I'd rather get hard numbers and compare to it's competition. That's what's better for them too.

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He didn't happen to mention the availability of the Theile/Small parameters for the driver did he? Would be interesting to model it up in WinISD and see what the "ideal" box for a tune ~20Hz would be.
That would be really nice, but I doubt they'll ever give those out. I was told the mostly custom build their drivers.

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That would be really nice, but I doubt they'll ever give those out. I was told the mostly custom build their drivers.
I don't expect to see them either, that was more a tongue-in-cheek question

But if you don't ask, you never know. Figured I'd ask.
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I wish I knew how the E1010i performed. I'd love to know it's measurements too

I know my dual e1010i's would sell pretty easily if I wanted to sell them. Been wondering what replacing them with a single VTF-3 MK5 would be like. I'd lose that nice dual sub look, but I'm sure I'd gain a lot. Maybe. That's where I don't know. Hard to say without seeing the numbers. Maybe some dual I-12E's would be nice. If EMP/RBH would ship me a pair for review and give me a decent deal I'd do it I think.


...anyone be interested in a pair of e1010i subs? Literally like new. Not a smudge on them

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I posted on another thread comparing the EMP 55ti to the SVS Prime Towers. Has anyone done a comparison of these 2? The center channel is important to me. Almost more important than the LR speakers because of the dialogue in movies. Is the EMP center better than the SVS center?
Disclaimer, I have the smaller EMPtek center, the e5Ci and I have not heard the SVS prime center.
If you get the e56ci, I think it will be ever bit as good as the SVS prime. I have only heard the SVS prime bookshelf and for a very brief period...but I am comfortable saying the EMP bookshelf is as good or better in all respects except bass below 70 hz or so. Both need a sub for HT anyway.

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I wish I knew how the E1010i performed. I'd love to know it's measurements too

I know my dual e1010i's would sell pretty easily if I wanted to sell them. Been wondering what replacing them with a single VTF-3 MK5 would be like. I'd lose that nice dual sub look, but I'm sure I'd gain a lot. Maybe. That's where I don't know. Hard to say without seeing the numbers. Maybe some dual I-12E's would be nice. If EMP/RBH would ship me a pair for review and give me a decent deal I'd do it I think.


...anyone be interested in a pair of e1010i subs? Literally like new. Not a smudge on them

I don't understand, you have them, how don't you know how they perform? I think audioholics did a review a couple of years ago. For the price I got them for, it was a great deal.

Dual subs are important for leveling the bass among seats assuming that you don't have both up front. If you only have one seat, one sub will do.

Mine are fine, I have them front right, back left. I have way too much resonance in my theater due to its proximity to the kitchen glassware. When I play test tones, they play everything. I'm not sure how flat though.
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Not to speak for Sooner, but I assume he is talking about measurements.

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I wish I knew how the E1010i performed. I'd love to know it's measurements too
Grab an inexpensive mic (if you don't already have one) like the Samson Go Mic and a copy of REW and you can get all the measurements you want.

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I know my dual e1010i's would sell pretty easily if I wanted to sell them. Been wondering what replacing them with a single VTF-3 MK5 would be like.
DO IT!!!

Seriously, the VTF-3 MK5 is a monster based on everything I've read. It's currently the go-to recommended sub for HT and <$900 from the regulars in the DIY section (for those that can't/don't want to DIY). I don't see anything in the specs where the EMP subs could come close to keeping up with it in extension, above 35Hz I don't know.

Only drawback I see for you is going from dual to single, you'll lose the smoother FR across multiple listening positions. Of course, dual VTF-3 MK5s would solve that problem...

Looking forward to measurements of your current setup, then with the MK5
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Well, they finally got some of the descriptions up. Haha.
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Well, they finally got some of the descriptions up. Haha.
And yet they still don't have it right. Several times, the 350 watt sub says 500 watts under the descriptors! At least it is written in english now....

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And yet they still don't have it right. Several times, the 350 watt sub says 500 watts under the descriptors! At least it is written in english now....
Someone should place an order for the 500 watt version that they have listed for the 350 watt price... Then when they charge the extra $200 take screen grabs of their website and say false advertising...
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Looks like the EMPTek R55Ti speakers are out as my choice line as they are out of black and won't have any in until late in September. Too bad.
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I don't understand, you have them, how don't you know how they perform? I think audioholics did a review a couple of years ago. For the price I got them for, it was a great deal.

Dual subs are important for leveling the bass among seats assuming that you don't have both up front. If you only have one seat, one sub will do.

Mine are fine, I have them front right, back left. I have way too much resonance in my theater due to its proximity to the kitchen glassware. When I play test tones, they play everything. I'm not sure how flat though.
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Not to speak for Sooner, but I assume he is talking about measurements.
Eli is correct. I've got both, but I'm wondering how they measure by the CEA standards. I've gotten some in-room calculations, but's not at 1m or 3m or whatever they use, includes room gain, etc. I'd like to see if I could get more performance across the band or at least enough to really consider the swap.

Mine are both up front as it's the main living so it has to look somewhat nice. Layout is: e55--e1010--tv/e56ci--e1010i--e55

The bass in the room is pretty smooth. Doesn't feel like there are big nulls or peaks anywhere. I'm sure there are though. Need to unplug one and then see what just a single one sounds like.

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Grab an inexpensive mic (if you don't already have one) like the Samson Go Mic and a copy of REW and you can get all the measurements you want.

WARNING: REW can quickly become the most expensive free software you've ever used. Don't ask me how I know...

DO IT!!!

Seriously, the VTF-3 MK5 is a monster based on everything I've read. It's currently the go-to recommended sub for HT and <$900 from the regulars in the DIY section (for those that can't/don't want to DIY). I don't see anything in the specs where the EMP subs could come close to keeping up with it in extension, above 35Hz I don't know.

Only drawback I see for you is going from dual to single, you'll lose the smoother FR across multiple listening positions. Of course, dual VTF-3 MK5s would solve that problem...

Looking forward to measurements of your current setup, then with the MK5
I've never seen that mic. I thought about trying this one for awhile now:

http://www.amazon.com/Dayton-Audio-i...ton+microphone

My radioshack spl meter seems like it has some flaws. This one is supposedly really flat across the band. I don't have a laptop, but I can borrow one for REW. Probably have to learn it for awhile. Seems like it can be complicated.

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Someone should place an order for the 500 watt version that they have listed for the 350 watt price... Then when they charge the extra $200 take screen grabs of their website and say false advertising...
I wish they'd change that. Having both say '500 watt' looks like your typical crappy, marketing scams company.

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Looks like the EMPTek R55Ti speakers are out as my choice line as they are out of black and won't have any in until late in September. Too bad.
Fortunately there are other fine speakers on your list. You are beginning to cut down that list, and that’s a good thing.

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That Vapor Audio thread is the thread that just won't quit! Give it a rest, already!

Sooner, you hearing anything about the sub and when/if they will let you audition it?

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Nope, not a single thing

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I posted on another thread comparing the EMP 55ti to the SVS Prime Towers. Has anyone done a comparison of these 2? The center channel is important to me. Almost more important than the LR speakers because of the dialogue in movies. Is the EMP center better than the SVS center?
I have the R56Ci, and it sounds really great. Should tell you that this replaced a smaller center that was pretty good too. But the vocal clarity and ability to "fill the room" is (for me) exceptional. Paired with a good sub, I really don't think that you'll be disappointed. My center is paired with two R5Bi's, that are equally impressive, especially for bookshelf speakers.

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Nope, not a single thing
Interesting. They've been working very well with me the past week or so.
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In sooner case, I think they talked about having him demo it. Looks like the FINALLY got the sub descriptions fixed!

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