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Old 06-25-2015, 08:29 PM
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No mention of the HTD Level 3, does that mean they are out of the league?
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Old 06-25-2015, 08:31 PM
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Also, with $700 price tag, I hesitate to pull the trigger on 12" China-made sub from a relative newcomer.
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Also, with $700 price tag, I hesitate to pull the trigger on 12" China-made sub from a relative newcomer.
Not sure about the Chinese made sub. I know the audioholics article I read about my e5ti speakers said they were made with EMP/RBH propriatory drivers and made in Utah. Of course, that was 5 years ago... There is really no speaker that doesn't have at least some chinese parts and some are completely chinese made

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That's what I remember also. American made & designed. Assembled in China. Then quality controlled back in America. Labor is the only thing outsourced if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure if this model is still in place though. I did notice RBH & EMP have graphs up, but fail to mention how the speakers were measured. Looking at the graphs I would assume all ports open.
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I'm not sure who designed these, but I would reserve the newcomer statement. The company putting their name on them has a very long & good standing reputation.
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I'm not sure who designed these, but I would reserve the newcomer statement. The company putting their name on them has a very long & good standing reputation.
Yeah these are technically RBH speakers now and they make some very high end products.

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With these graphs it's fair to say the -3dB point is closer to 24hz. While they did not mention what conditions these were measured they can't be far from what we'll expect in a review. Interesting to see that at about 26-32hz output between the two subs appears equal, above that the I-12E has approx 2db more output and is slightly smoother from 55-80hz. I don't believe you'd be able to hear the difference in that 55-80hz range though. Also note that the I-12E is about 3dB higher output at 20hz.

I cannot say the difference would be worth $200 more dollars between the two models though. I think I'd put that towards a matching pair.


Edit: I am aware these measurements are not likely to be max output but I imagine for RBH's engineering purposes they should be comparable. I kind of doubt they took these measurements specifically for marketing, but I could be wrong. They don't appear to have offered this kind of information in the past for EMP or RBH products.
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Hi Guys,

Am looking into some small factor surrounds and am wondering if anyone has actually used/heard the E3b's? I know that in theory they should work well, just wondering if anyone has actually heard them. Plan would be to use these and add a .4 setup with in-ceiling units (5.1.4). Already have the R5Bi's and R56Ci for the front, and they sound great. Figure I can't go wrong with the E3b's but would be good to hear from you.

Appreciate the help!
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With these graphs it's fair to say the -3dB point is closer to 24hz. While they did not mention what conditions these were measured they can't be far from what we'll expect in a review. Interesting to see that at about 26-32hz output between the two subs appears equal, above that the I-12E has approx 2db more output and is slightly smoother from 55-80hz. I don't believe you'd be able to hear the difference in that 55-80hz range though. Also note that the I-12E is about 3dB higher output at 20hz.

I cannot say the difference would be worth $200 more dollars between the two models though. I think I'd put that towards a matching pair.


Edit: I am aware these measurements are not likely to be max output but I imagine for RBH's engineering purposes they should be comparable. I kind of doubt they took these measurements specifically for marketing, but I could be wrong. They don't appear to have offered this kind of information in the past for EMP or RBH products.
Where did you get these? I spoke with EMP regarding this and here's what they said:

"Yes we do plan on sending if off for review. I don’t have the details on that however, but I know our marketing guy is working on it. I know my engineer has been measure them all week long so we should have some data he can make available very soon."

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They're available on both EMP & RBH website
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Gotcha. Didn't see those there



VERY marginal difference where it I'd think the difference would be. If there are 2M grounplane measurements though, this is A LOT more powerful than the e1010i from 40hz and below. From 40hz and up it's about the same or +1 or 2dB difference....IF THIS IS 2M GROUNDPLANE.


Also, if these are 2m groundplane....this thing gets DEMOLISHED by the PB-2000.

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Well, those numbers are pretty impressive. I wonder if EMP/RBH realized the warranty issue is a real deterent...

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Just got my R5Bi pair and R5Ci, sound great glad I took the leap!
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I love EMP, but as of right now I think there are better options at around the same price point. These will win for the WAF, but in terms of performance I am just not blown away.

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I love EMP, but as of right now I think there are better options at around the same price point. These will win for the WAF, but in terms of performance I am just not blown away.
I know if I weren't satisfied, I wouldn't be loving the EMPs . Fortunately, I bought speakers that did indeed blow me away (and has for over 5 years), but they cost a lot more than the EMPs. If I were you, I’d try to find out why the EMPs aren’t performing to your satisfaction. I’d start moving them around, placing them closer or father from the wall (you may have them spaced where the “Allison Effect” is raising its ugly head), or try spreading them to where you’ve created an equilateral triangle between your speakers and listening position. Also, check to see if your speakers are set to small, and what crossover you are using. I don't know where your subs are located, but the same 1/4 wavelength applies to those as well (cancellation effects). Small speaker/sub location adjustments can have a major impact. Obviously, I think you have very good equipment, so you should be reaping the rewards.

After playing around with speaker/sub location and settings, and the EMPs are still not satisfying you, then guess what? You need to begin speaker auditions all over again.

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I doubt there are better options at the price point, they maybe be options that people prefer do to personal taste and there are occassional great deals as speakers get closed out, etc. EMP still represents terrific value in the low to mid budget range.

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Yup. If these don't do it for you, raise your budget considerably. I thought my EMPs were great but I wanted more. I'm still considering them for surrounds.
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I know if I weren't satisfied, I wouldn't be loving the EMPs . Fortunately, I bought speakers that did indeed blow me away (and has for over 5 years), but they cost a lot more than the EMPs. If I were you, I’d try to find out why the EMPs aren’t performing to your satisfaction. I’d start moving them around, placing them closer or father from the wall (you may have them spaced where the “Allison Effect” is raising its ugly head), or try spreading them to where you’ve created an equilateral triangle between your speakers and listening position. Also, check to see if your speakers are set to small, and what crossover you are using. I don't know where your subs are located, but the same 1/4 wavelength applies to those as well (cancellation effects). Small speaker/sub location adjustments can have a major impact. Obviously, I think you have very good equipment, so you should be reaping the rewards.

After playing around with speaker/sub location and settings, and the EMPs are still not satisfying you, then guess what? You need to begin speaker auditions all over again.
I was actually only referring to the new sub. I am thrilled with my EMP's as far as speakers go.

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I was actually only referring to the new sub. I am thrilled with my EMP's as far as speakers go.
Okay. Now I understand .

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Okay, me too...but with respect to the sub, I think it is too early to say. First, we haven't seen a pro review and we haven't yet heard user reviews. Second, I think the EMP track record of making a great product at the price range need to be considered- we don't really know what price you will be about to get this sub for when on sale. It may go on sale for 400 dollars 3-4 times a year, then, well...
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Okay, me too...but with respect to the sub, I think it is too early to say. First, we haven't seen a pro review and we haven't yet heard user reviews. Second, I think the EMP track record of making a great product at the price range need to be considered- we don't really know what price you will be about to get this sub for when on sale. It may go on sale for 400 dollars 3-4 times a year, then, well...
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Well, at least they have the specs (with +/- 3 dB modifier) on the I-12e (not the I-12). As far as I’m concerned, those specs looks encouraging. I’m not sure why the S-12 (sealed design) is at the same price as the I-12e, because the SVS SB-1000 has much better specs. Anyway, it would be great to have another viable sub one can recommend. And that I-12e has a great looking finish.
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Well long story short, fellas, I will be receiving 4, yes FOUR Emp Tek I-12/e Subwoofers (500w version).

These will go along my newly purchases EMP Tek towers, center, and surrounds.

At least you will be able to hear about my impressions very shortly!
I should be receiving these in the mail tomorrow (Monday)!!!
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Why do I think those may be the first 4 sold?

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I should be receiving these in the mail tomorrow (Monday)!!!
...And they just arrived. I may have some tease photos posted sometime today

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Why do I think those may be the first 4 sold?
Apparently they are not. However, since I was buying "blindly" and bought 4 of them, I got a stupid, stupid good deal on all 4.

I also have my electrician installing another dedicated 20amp circuit to the home theater tomorrow afternoon. So no "sound" impressions til afterwards. However, I'll post some photo's by tonight I hope!
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Photos for us that are bored at work...PLEASE! Love to see what the driver looks like, what the internal bracing looks like (god I hope they're using some!) and the other internal construction stuff.

You definitely did get a great deal. If these sound great and can be 90% of what a PB-2000 is...look out.

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Photos for us that are bored at work...PLEASE! Love to see what the driver looks like, what the internal bracing looks like (god I hope they're using some!) and the other internal construction stuff.

You definitely did get a great deal. If these sound great and can be 90% of what a PB-2000 is...look out.

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Damn...I gotta wait till tonight for some speaker porn!

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Damn!! those look big (insert 'thats what she said' here)

I don't know how to you can wait a whole day to hear them haha. With that amount ($2,000) and wanting that much bass...I'd have to wonder if dual VTF-15h or VTF-3mk5's......or even a single RBH sx-1212p/r (a little more than you've spent here; probably stretching it) would be better. They're all within your spent amount.


...guess we won't know anything, numbers wise, until we see more from Audioholics

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Those are some substantial subs! Have you tried the center on the top of the media stand? Looks like it would fit without blocking the tv at all and might sound better.

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