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post #5341 of 5360 Old 08-25-2015, 01:27 PM
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Man, Viper, that is one awesome looking front stage! If you could figure out a way to spread those out, you SQ would be better, but that LOOKS AWESOME!
Thanks! They are as spread out as can be, but the soundstage sounds GREAT!

I just recently purchased an Emotiva XPA-3 to power the towers and the center channel, which really helped and made a difference at louder listening levels, especially in regards to dynamic range.
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I'd be curious to see how that room measures.
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Thanks! They are as spread out as can be, but the soundstage sounds GREAT!

I just recently purchased an Emotiva XPA-3 to power the towers and the center channel, which really helped and made a difference at louder listening levels, especially in regards to dynamic range.
What are you using as the pre/pro?

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Thanks! They are as spread out as can be, but the soundstage sounds GREAT!

I just recently purchased an Emotiva XPA-3 to power the towers and the center channel, which really helped and made a difference at louder listening levels, especially in regards to dynamic range.
I got a similar issue...while my subs aren't both up front, they ain't where the 'woofer crawl tells me to put them either!

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Sub woofer crawl is for a single position, single sub. Multiple subs attempt to level out the bass across all seats, not to increase bass.

Ideal is 4 subs in a cross fblr then 2 subs lr mid wall, lastly 2 subs, front/back opposing corners. The subs will act as bass traps for the opposing sub.

Listen to the avrant podcast if you want to hear about sub setup.
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Sub woofer crawl is for a single position, single sub.
No, not really. Subwoofer crawl works well for 2 subs within a room, with more subs it becomes less effective. Caveat: If the room is very large, the crawl with 3 or more can make a big difference.

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Multiple subs attempt to level out the bass across all seats, not to increase bass.
This depends on placement. Stacked, as in Viper's case, will typically produce 3 - 6dB more output at a location - Which may not be the MLP. But the general use for multiple subs is to smooth the bass response across multiple seating positions, yes, by having them placed strategically about the room.

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Ideal is 4 subs in a cross fblr then 2 subs lr mid wall, lastly 2 subs, front/back opposing corners. The subs will act as bass traps for the opposing sub.

Listen to the avrant podcast if you want to hear about sub setup.
I am by no means an expert on this subject, but as I understand it ideal positions within any given room depends heavily on the room itself, and the listening position(s). Crazy amounts of information on this can be found within the Earl Geddes' writeup (very short version: https://mehlau.net/audio/multisub_geddes/) as well as AVS's own DIY Speakers and Subs subforum, and Bill Fitzmaurice's work (he posts quite a bit here on AVS). A terrific (if not horrifying to a beginner) rundown on integrating multiple subs was done by mtg90: mtg90’s multiple subwoofers + mains integration How To thread

As Soulburner mentioned, without measurements (and the sub crawl), sub placement is pretty much shooting in the dark. However, in the end it all comes down to how you like the sound, not how your graphs look.
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What are you using as the pre/pro?
My AVR is an Onkyo 876. My Pre is an Emotiva XPA-3.
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Well there's no way I'd be able to put my 1010 up on the couch! Sure rooms dictate where you can put your speakers. Ideal is starting from scratch, designing for sound rather than furniture. My projector forces me to be up against the wall, far from ideal. There is just no way I could get 4 subs in my room, it is not that big. Next house will have a better theater unless I'm part of the drooling VR masses.
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In my case, both of my subs HAVE to be to the left of the MLP, one in front and one behind, but I just don't have many other options- like you, Gregory, I got a projector that forces everything toward one wall and the room ain't big enough for much modification. I tried the sub woofer crawl once and my sub sounded best right in the middle of the room, where it ISN'T going to go and then second, where my couch is. I ended up putting it where I wanted it, not where it sounded best.

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What instrument causes tweetee to rattle?

Hi all,

My R55's tweeters rattle by some ratlling/clapping instrument. I'm curious if any of you experienced similar situation, or just my tweeters simply blown. There are couple tracks, if anyone interested and have access to music streaming service (I used Apple Music streaming for this), please try:
- Yo Te Quiero ( Marc Anthony), first occurrence is at around 10-20 sec. into the track.
- I'm a Flirt (Smooth Jazz All Stars) at around -25s (towards the end of track, this causes much less noticeable rattling sound than the first track above.)

Please comment/confirm after trying. Thank you.

Cheers

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In my case, both of my subs HAVE to be to the left of the MLP, one in front and one behind, but I just don't have many other options- like you, Gregory, I got a projector that forces everything toward one wall and the room ain't big enough for much modification. I tried the sub woofer crawl once and my sub sounded best right in the middle of the room, where it ISN'T going to go and then second, where my couch is. I ended up putting it where I wanted it, not where it sounded best.
I was just listening to an old avrant podcast, maybe 4 weeks old where they discussed that exact situation. It's ok in their opinion, the subs will trap for each other.

I think this one. http://www.avrant.com/av-rant-443-apologies-and-advice/
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Hi all,

My R55's tweeters rattle by some ratlling/clapping instrument. I'm curious if any of you experienced similar situation, or just my tweeters simply blown. There are couple tracks, if anyone interested and have access to music streaming service (I used Apple Music streaming for this), please try:
- Yo Te Quiero ( Marc Anthony), first occurrence is at around 10-20 sec. into the track.
- I'm a Flirt (Smooth Jazz All Stars) at around -25s (towards the end of track, this causes much less noticeable rattling sound than the first track above.)

Please comment/confirm after trying. Thank you.

Cheers

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Hi all,

My R55's tweeters rattle by some ratlling/clapping instrument. I'm curious if any of you experienced similar situation, or just my tweeters simply blown. There are couple tracks, if anyone interested and have access to music streaming service (I used Apple Music streaming for this), please try:
- Yo Te Quiero ( Marc Anthony), first occurrence is at around 10-20 sec. into the track.
- I'm a Flirt (Smooth Jazz All Stars) at around -25s (towards the end of track, this causes much less noticeable rattling sound than the first track above.)

Please comment/confirm after trying. Thank you.

Cheers
Are these the only two pieces you are having trouble with? Are these problems only on a CD, or is it the same with music downloads? Not every artist takes care to ensure that the sound engineering is first rate. I just purchased a CD from X-Ambassadors (Renegade commercial enticed me to buy it). While I like the music, it was one of the most poorly engineered CDs that I own. Total saturation city.

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Are these the only two pieces you are having trouble with? Are these problems only on a CD, or is it the same with music downloads? Not every artist takes care to ensure that the sound engineering is first rate. I just purchased a CD from X-Ambassadors (Renegade commercial enticed me to buy it). While I like the music, it was one of the most poorly engineered CDs that I own. Total saturation city.
Yes, only these twos so far, overall both pieces are very well produced and sound great on these Emp speakers. Both are from aapl music streaming, no cd.

Compared to many others, these two tracks are much better produced, that's why I kinda worry about the tweeters being damaged, the speakers still are within returning period and I still can get replacements if the tweeters are in fact blown.

Besides the above issue, these r55 towers sound really good for both vocal and instruments. I really enjoy them and think for the money, they are an exceptional value. The dual i12 sufwoofers only go down to 25hz, would shake the house even though I can t hear the sound (probably the level is too weak to hear, and I left it at Audyssey level without bumping them up), since I don't need super LF bass and got them at a good discount I m happy to keep them. They are huge and look good also part of the reason.

Thanks for sharing your experience.
Cheers.

PS with the 4100w, Audyssey xt32 with subeq did give a noticeable depth and fuller sound to my ears, dual subwoofers also blend in much smoother than with the x1000. With the big dicount on 4100w as newer model coming out, the upgrade gives a worthwhile sound quality improvement to my naked ears. ( no measurements of any kind) I would recommend with anyone with my similar setup ie. Currently with Audyssey Xt and dual subs, wanting XT32, SubEQ and atmos 5.4 to go for it.

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I would have to agree with dsrussel on this one, I don't see how your tweeter can be damaged if you can only hear the rattle on two very specific parts of two very specific tracks. I would have to assume that those very specific parts of two very specific tracks are just engineered to be really taxing at the high end and are causing some distortion.
I ran into a similar problem with my EMP10i10i sub...at the gain I had it set at, when I turned the volume up to -15 dbs on certain movies, like Oblivion or Godzilla, 2014, certain scenes would cause it to distort pretty bad! I was just asking them to do something they were not capable of. After determined the subs weren't damaged (sounded good 99.9 percent of the time, still got plenty loud, etc), I turned the gain down a couple notches and all was good!
Glad to hear about the Audessy xt32...maybe my next upgrade is getting something with sub EQ, but to tell the truth, I like the sound of my EMP speakers after YPAO calibration more that after Audessy calibration...

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I would have to agree with dsrussel on this one, I don't see how your tweeter can be damaged if you can only hear the rattle on two very specific parts of two very specific tracks. I would have to assume that those very specific parts of two very specific tracks are just engineered to be really taxing at the high end and are causing some distortion.
I ran into a similar problem with my EMP10i10i sub...at the gain I had it set at, when I turned the volume up to -15 dbs on certain movies, like Oblivion or Godzilla, 2014, certain scenes would cause it to distort pretty bad! I was just asking them to do something they were not capable of. After determined the subs weren't damaged (sounded good 99.9 percent of the time, still got plenty loud, etc), I turned the gain down a couple notches and all was good!
Glad to hear about the Audessy xt32...maybe my next upgrade is getting something with sub EQ, but to tell the truth, I like the sound of my EMP speakers after YPAO calibration more that after Audessy calibration...
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I like your reasoning and agree that the tweeters most likely are OK. Still curious to know exactly what are those instruments that sound like rattling and not one bit musical, like hitting a broken tin can.

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Oops. Double post. Srry.

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Any word on measurements for the new subs? I know Audioholics was going to review them but haven't seen anything yet.

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Yea, trying to get any information about this sub is almost as frustrating as the wait for this sub to be released. I think this sub might be very good and it looks great. But the one yr warranty on the amp and the lack of third party measurements are definately a draw back at this stage...

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Any word on measurements for the new subs? I know Audioholics was going to review them but haven't seen anything yet.
All I have to say is I love their sound. They are way more musical than I thought they would have been. They've taken everything I've been able to toss at them so far!
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