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Old 09-30-2015, 04:18 PM
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I have owned the R5Bbi and the E5Ti and in my opinion, the tower will sound larger, but not better in terms of sound quality. There is a lot to say about a larger sound though - when I moved to 10" coaxials I fell in love with the huge sound source.

And I don't believe it's a waste to use R5Bis as surrounds - I think they will make great surrounds. I planned to do that until I realized that I will have calibration issues because of the efficiency difference with my fronts.
Yes, that was what I was thinking as well. But I'm looking forward to the audition. Thanks for your input.

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Old 09-30-2015, 04:19 PM
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It usually takes me at least 3 weeks to determine if a certain speaker is right for me (and my room). But I am looking forward to experiencing the towers. I may even order the JBL Studio 530’s and A-B compare the two (still thinking on this). Anyway, once I have played with them for awhile, I’ll let people in this thread know what I think.

BTW, once this audition is over, I plan to audition the PSA S3600i subwoofer to replace my XS30. I think I’ll be busy in the next couple of months .

Okay, done deal. I just ordered the JBL 530's. Since it is free shipping both ways with a 30 day trial, there is no risk. Should be an interesting comparison.

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dsrussel,

Since you're a music guy with panels, have you ever considered Rythmik? They probably have the best chance at smooth integration with such a hi-fi setup.

Though you're probably talking about your HT system. Still, I've become addicted to their high damping servo control, even for movies.
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It usually takes me at least 3 weeks to determine if a certain speaker is right for me (and my room). But I am looking forward to experiencing the towers. I may even order the JBL Studio 530’s and A-B compare the two (still thinking on this). Anyway, once I have played with them for awhile, I’ll let people in this thread know what I think.

BTW, once this audition is over, I plan to audition the PSA S3600i subwoofer to replace my XS30. I think I’ll be busy in the next couple of months .

Okay, done deal. I just ordered the JBL 530's. Since it is free shipping both ways with a 30 day trial, there is no risk. Should be an interesting comparison.

Great choice, should make for a nice comparison!


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dsrussel,

Since you're a music guy with panels, have you ever considered Rythmik? They probably have the best chance at smooth integration with such a hi-fi setup.

Though you're probably talking about your HT system. Still, I've become addicted to their high damping servo control, even for movies.
Hi Soulburner. When I went on my subwoofer hunt back in May of 2013, I had already went through months of research. I auditioned the Paradigm Sub 1 and the JL Audio F212 Fathom (although it was the F113 Fathom I was most interested in — the F113 wasn’t available for setup on the day I did my audition). I wanted to audition either the Rythmik E15HPSE (piano black) or Rythmik F15HPSE (piano black), but both subs were on a 6 month backorder, so I had to cross them off my list. I ended up auditioning two subwoofers in my home at the same time. The Hsu ULS-15 (Mk 1) I auditioned at their facility first, since Hsu Research is only 12 miles from me. Two weeks later I picked up a ULS-15 and took it home. The second sub was SVS SB13-Ultra. For music, it wasn’t much of a contest. The Ultra was better in every regard, and is everything I wanted and more. The Hsu was a bit disappointing, but by no means a bad sub for music (I did consider it for the movie room, but opted for the PSA XS30).

Since that time, I’ve also auditioned the DSS 24-inch Mariana and PSA S3000i. I’ve also heard (not auditioned with my music) the JL Audio E110, another JL Audio sub just released (don’t remember the designation), and the JL Audio G213 Gotham. All really good subs, but none had me wanting to trade in my Ultra ... not even the Gotham (didn't want to spend 10 - 12 grand, nor push around a 340 pound sub).

If you’ve heard panel speakers, especially speakers with very large bass panels (such as the planar-magnetics Magnepan 3.6 and 3.7), you would understand what I was looking for. I knew I’d have to get a sub that could stop on a dime. I also wanted a sub that could reproduce any material below 40 Hz, including 16 Hz organ pedals and Synthesizers that played anywhere from 16 to 30 Hz. I wanted the sub to take off where my Magnepans left off or couldn’t go (the 3.6 Maggies get down to 34 Hz). I did not want any sub, even the Ultra, to take away from the bass of the panels. The bass it reproduces is unique and blends with the midrange panels amazingly, and was one of several important reasons I chose the Maggies. In order to get what I wanted, I used the Ultra’s high pass filter and set it at 40 Hz with a gentle slope. For the sub, I used the Ultra’s low pass filter at 40 Hz with a steep slope. I now have everything I want as far as a music sub. If I would have gotten the Rythmik, I would cross them over the same way.
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I just mounted my 4 EMP bookshelf's and center speaker in my bedroom tonight. I have to say I am totally impressed with the sound. I have an Onkyo 646 driving them with an HSU ULS-15 MK2 sub. They sound amazing for $650. My ears are use to my Klipsch horns though. The dome tweeters sound much different. It may not sound as crisp as the horns but for the money I am pleased. They look amazing too. These mounts work great for $39 per pair on Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01...ilpage_o01_s00

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I think over time your ears will acclimate. I have sensitive hearing, and even dome tweeters can sound harsh to me if not rolled off in a non-treated room.

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I have finally decided to audition the R55Ti tower speakers and they should arrive next week. I talked to Brian to get the return shipping charges. This is more out of curiosity than needing something better than the R5Bi bookshelf speakers. Matter-of-fact, I’d be surprised if I decide to keep the towers (but I was surprised that I kept the R5Bi’s). Although I do expect them to be better, I do not expect them to be significantly better. If I do return the R55Ti’s, I might order the JBL Studio 530’s (again, more out of curiosity) and test them out as well. This is my way to really judge the R5Bi’s against larger speakers at around 3 times or more the cost. That, and the fact that I enjoy listening to well thought of and well-reviewed speakers. And if I decide to keep the R55Ti’s? Then I’ll order their R56Ci center channel and use my R5Bi’s as surrounds (sort of a waste for such a fine speaker).
After a couple years of using just anything as a cheap surround, I think the movie Oblivion came out and it would constantly cause my SLS Q line gold, 120hz lowest possible, to distort (My reciever only allows a single crossover). So I either had to set the crossover of my fronts to 120, put up with distortion, or either buy a new reciever or surrounds. I upgraded to the R5Bi when EMP was out of stock, but got a pair of B stocks in. Sure, the distortion happen only a couple times per movie, but getting surrounds that could hit 80 hz was suddenly a priority...so I upgraded! Not one of these folks that think your surrounds have to be just as capable as your fronts, but it was a nice upgrade!
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Don't know if you guys have seen this thread: SVS PB1000 vs Rythimic LV12r vs HR VTF2 MK4 vs EMP I-12

There is a video from RBH where they test the frequency response of the I-12 in a massive 6000+ cubic square foot room. With all three ports open, they were showing a a very flat response, and -3dB extension down around 17/18Hz. In a normal sized room you could likely expect even better performance, seems like those numbers on their site are very conservative.
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After a couple years of using just anything as a cheap surround, I think the movie Oblivion came out and it would constantly cause my SLS Q line gold, 120hz lowest possible, to distort (My reciever only allows a single crossover). So I either had to set the crossover of my fronts to 120, put up with distortion, or either buy a new reciever or surrounds. I upgraded to the R5Bi when EMP was out of stock, but got a pair of B stocks in. Sure, the distortion happen only a couple times per movie, but getting surrounds that could hit 80 hz was suddenly a priority...so I upgraded! Not one of these folks that think your surrounds have to be just as capable as your fronts, but it was a nice upgrade!
Oblivion really gives your surrounds a workout, especially the drone scene towards the end. Another good one is Lone Survivor, having some more capable surrounds makes those RPGs exploding behind pretty intense!

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I wasn’t expecting the R55Ti’s until Tuesday or Wednesday. I received them today and already have them hooked up and playing 2-channel music. No surprises (I pretty much knew what I was getting into, both positives and negatives), but far too early to remark on anything with certainty. I suspect I will be playing around with location for a few days and until I'm happy with the soundstage. It will be weeks before I really write anything about them. Going back to the R5Bi's after a couple weeks getting use to the R55Ti's is usually more informative than the other way around (R5Bi's to R55Ti's).

So far the JBL 530's haven't shipped, which is a good thing (allows me more time with the R55Ti's).
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I wasn’t expecting the R55Ti’s until Tuesday or Wednesday. I received them today and already have them hooked up and playing 2-channel music. No surprises (I pretty much knew what I was getting into, both positives and negatives), but far too early to remark on anything with certainty. I suspect I will be playing around with location for a few days and until I'm happy with the soundstage. It will be weeks before I really write anything about them. Going back to the R5Bi's after a couple weeks getting use to the R55Ti's is usually more informative than the other way around (R5Bi's to R55Ti's).

So far the JBL 530's haven't shipped, which is a good thing (allows me more time with the R55Ti's).
great, countdown for your review...tic...tac...tic..tac...
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Let us know the difference between the e55ti and s530, im in need of good lcr, im torn between 340 se, a5arx, and those 2, im looking forward for your comparison.

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Let us know the difference between the e55ti and s530, im in need of good lcr, im torn between 340 se, a5arx, and those 2, im looking forward for your comparison.
I just received word that the 530's shipped, so I should get them sometime next week. I won't know until 2 or 3 weeks into the audition whether they will be keepers or not, but I'll let everyone here know my impressions of the RBH and JBL.

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My new 3.2 setup - RBH/EMPtek + Rythmik

New 3.2 RBH + Rythmik setup w/pics

Thanks to numerous people in this thread that provided speaker comparisons, write ups, technical support and most of all... their time, to help me pull the trigger on RBH/EMPtek speakers.
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My new 3.2 setup - RBH/EMPtek + Rythmik

New 3.2 RBH + Rythmik setup w/pics

Thanks to numerous people in this thread that provided speaker comparisons, write ups, technical support and most of all... their time, to help me pull the trigger on RBH/EMPtek speakers.
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Thanks to numerous people in this thread that provided speaker comparisons, write ups, technical support and most of all... their time, to help me pull the trigger on RBH/EMPtek speakers.
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That's such a nice system, it's worth a double post
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bmicha, welcome to the EMP owner club abd be sure to post your thoughts as you get use to them!

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Well, surprise, surprise. The JBL showed up this morning. I plugged it in and … called JBL. Bad tweeter that got worse during a very short audition. I decided to just return it and not have them send another one. It’s really a shame, because the 530 sounded impressive until it got up in the higher frequencies. Not enough time with it to give a solid opinion (basically 4 songs).

Back to my R5Bi's and the R55Ti's .

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Im currently debating on either the EMP Tek R55Ti towers, SVS Prime Towers or RP260F towers from Klipsch. I have owned cheaper Klipsch speakers before and enjoyed them and then moved on to Definitive Technology. I currently have Def Tech Sm450s up front. Any thoughts to help me decide guys? I have a small room 12x12 or so.
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Brad, I can comment on your situation, since I own several EMP speakers and also own the SM450s. I have a front stage of SM450/CLR2002 in my upstairs, mostly TV set up. 22x 12 inch room, so small-medium. I also own the e5ti in my theater 14 x 24 foot room. I have tried both front stages in both room. Simple put, the EMP will kick the Def Tech to the corner and back every day of the week and twice on friday...with the exception of bass, and then it is close. I find the tweeter in the SM450 to be a bit, well, for lack of any other term, "not my favorite". The bass is pretty impressive for a little speaker, however and is pretty tight. If you use a subwoofer, that won't matter, as the EMP are plenty capable of hitting below 80 hz. Even the e5Bi can hit below 80. The midrange in the EMP are excellent and absolutely great for dialogue and dynamics!

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Well, surprise, surprise. The JBL showed up this morning. I plugged it in and … called JBL. Bad tweeter that got worse during a very short audition. I decided to just return it and not have them send another one. It’s really a shame, because the 530 sounded impressive until it got up in the higher frequencies. Not enough time with it to give a solid opinion (basically 4 songs).

Back to my R5Bi's and the R55Ti's .
Well, sorry to hear about that...I was looking forward to hearing more about the JBLs. Funny, I was at an outdoor event this weekend with a couple pro JBL with a compression tweeter and I must say, they get loud. I have nothing else good to say about them. Horrid sounding speaker. Not making any sweeping statement about JBL, but another reminder about why I will never own a horn tweeter.

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Well, sorry to hear about that...I was looking forward to hearing more about the JBLs. Funny, I was at an outdoor event this weekend with a couple pro JBL with a compression tweeter and I must say, they get loud. I have nothing else good to say about them. Horrid sounding speaker. Not making any sweeping statement about JBL, but another reminder about why I will never own a horn tweeter.
Horns can be implemented different ways. My compression horns sound better than domes, and that includes the EMP domes.
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Well, sorry to hear about that...I was looking forward to hearing more about the JBLs. Funny, I was at an outdoor event this weekend with a couple pro JBL with a compression tweeter and I must say, they get loud. I have nothing else good to say about them. Horrid sounding speaker. Not making any sweeping statement about JBL, but another reminder about why I will never own a horn tweeter.
I was too. However, for the price of the JBL front stage compared to the cost of the Emp front stage, I would go with the Emps. I also find them much more appealing to look at. I'm sure the JBLs would get louder, but I'm sure the Emps are no slouch.

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In fairness to the JBLs, anyone can get a bad speaker. I was originally just going to exchange them for a new pair, but the service “tech” person seemed inept as far as speakers go. She was nice, bless her heart, but inept. So I thought it would be just safer to return them and possibly order another pair down the road.

They need a good, powerful amplifier. I don’t think my Denon 95 watts would do them justice. They have a lot of potential, from the little I did hear.

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If the new Emp center can match the I series bookshelf how would this set up, R5bi's plus MC616 center vs SVS prime bookshelves plus prime center? Anyone listen to both?.

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Haven't heard the SVS speakers, but I would not mix different L/R and center speakers. They will sound different and you will notice.
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Horns can be implemented different ways. My compression horns sound better than domes, and that includes the EMP domes.
Of course there are many different kinds of horns and I have heard the Klipshorn of yesteryear and those were outstanding. In the budget- mid price range, horn SQ can be a crap shoot, however!

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Haven't heard the SVS speakers, but I would not mix different L/R and center speakers. They will sound different and you will notice.
Since it was the same brand I thought there was an outside chance they were voice matched.

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