**Official EMP Owner's Thread** - Page 209 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!


Forum Jump: 
 551Likes
Reply
Thread Tools
post #6241 of 6250 Unread Yesterday, 06:19 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Elihawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Iowa City, Iowa
Posts: 3,880
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 704 Post(s)
Liked: 662
Quote:
Originally Posted by rahulp001 View Post
Thats exactly what I was expecting :-) for the room to rock..
I have x2100w Denon receiver. Should have enough juice i thought.
Will try with less toe in..
Does that have anything with the fact that these are 6ohm speakers while the surrounds are 8ohms?
yes, you have plenty of power. I doubt the 6/8ohm is the reason why your system isn't getting loud.
How high is your ceiling? Not sure what is wrong, but something is amiss. When you run Audessy, what levels/distances does it set your speakers at? Nice room, btw...

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and EMP e5Bi surrounds, Outlaw LFM1 Plus sub, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
Set up #3: Philharmonics- BMR in a 2.0 system, music only
Elihawk is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #6242 of 6250 Unread Yesterday, 06:44 PM
AVS Special Member
 
AllenA07's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 1,154
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 423 Post(s)
Liked: 352
Quote:
Originally Posted by rahulp001 View Post
Thats exactly what I was expecting :-) for the room to rock..
I have x2100w Denon receiver. Should have enough juice i thought.
Will try with less toe in..
Does that have anything with the fact that these are 6ohm speakers while the surrounds are 8ohms?
I would pick up an SPL meter and see how loud your room is getting. That would be the first step in troubleshooting because your amp has plenty of power for these speakers.
AllenA07 is offline  
post #6243 of 6250 Unread Yesterday, 06:59 PM
Member
 
rahulp001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elihawk View Post
yes, you have plenty of power. I doubt the 6/8ohm is the reason why your system isn't getting loud.
How high is your ceiling? Not sure what is wrong, but something is amiss. When you run Audessy, what levels/distances does it set your speakers at? Nice room, btw...
Thanks Elihawk.
Ceilings are 8ft. attached are the Audyssey results. I tweaked them a bit to bump up the Sub and the Center by 2dbs after.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	20160209_204623[1].jpg
Views:	17
Size:	91.7 KB
ID:	1242649   Click image for larger version

Name:	20160209_204520[1].jpg
Views:	15
Size:	92.3 KB
ID:	1242657  

7.1 HT Setup: EMPTek E55Ti (L&R), E56Ci (Center), E5Bi (side and rear surrounds), SVS PB-2000, DENON AVR x2100W, BENQ W1070, SilverTicket 110" screen
rahulp001 is online now  
post #6244 of 6250 Unread Yesterday, 07:04 PM
Member
 
rahulp001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Quote:
Originally Posted by AllenA07 View Post
I would pick up an SPL meter and see how loud your room is getting. That would be the first step in troubleshooting because your amp has plenty of power for these speakers.
Thanks, will read up on using the SPL meter, never used it. will pick one up over the weekend.
One thing i did not mention is that the surround sound is pretty good, its just the front stage that seems to be the problem.

7.1 HT Setup: EMPTek E55Ti (L&R), E56Ci (Center), E5Bi (side and rear surrounds), SVS PB-2000, DENON AVR x2100W, BENQ W1070, SilverTicket 110" screen
rahulp001 is online now  
post #6245 of 6250 Unread Yesterday, 08:47 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dsrussell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Corona, CA.
Posts: 4,569
Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1638 Post(s)
Liked: 1957
Quote:
Originally Posted by rahulp001 View Post
Thanks Elihawk.
Ceilings are 8ft. attached are the Audyssey results. I tweaked them a bit to bump up the Sub and the Center by 2dbs after.
If you’ve done the following when running Audyssey, then ignore this post.

1. Make sure you use a tripod. Better yet, a boom with the mic attached at the end. Stand off to the side and keep yourself out of the soundstage area. Make sure each mic position is less than 2 feet away from the previous position. Keep the mic within the soundstage area when positioning.
2. After running the first mic position, check on the subwoofer trim level in the menu. It should read between -3 and -6 or -6 and -9 (I use the latter and run my sub 4 or 5 dB hot, others use the former). Adjust the gain level on the sub and redo the first test until you see those numbers. I’m surprised that your subwoofer distance was calculated at only 10.3 ft. I think that should be more than your front speakers, say like 15 feet (the sub number isn’t really a matter of distance, it’s a matter Audyssey considering the time delay of the sub). Anyway, once you are satisfied with the subwoofer trim level, redo Audyssey from the start and go through all 6 or 8 positions (depending upon your level of Audyssey).
3. Take note of how Audyssey has setup each speaker and subwoofer and write all the numbers down. Also check to see where Audyssey has crossed over your speakers/subwoofer. Make sure your speakers are set to "small". If unhappy, adjust to your preferences.
4. Anytime you add, subtract or move furniture in the room, or adjust speaker/subwoofer locations, rerun Audyssey.
ereed likes this.

Music area: Magnepan 3.6, McIntosh MC2205 & C48, SVS SB13-Ultra, Oppo BDP 95, dbx 3BX, and assorted equipment.
Movie area: EMP Tek R5Bi, RBH/EMP Tek R55Ti, PSA S3000i, Denon X2000, Oppo BDP 83.
dsrussell is offline  
post #6246 of 6250 Unread Yesterday, 10:02 PM
Senior Member
 
ereed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 256
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 124 Post(s)
Liked: 51
Quote:
Originally Posted by rahulp001 View Post
Thanks.
LR speakers are actually in line with the center and about 1.5 ft away from side and rear walls. I had done those changes after the picture was taken.
When you say calibrate each speaker separately, what do you mean.. sorry, only thing that I have done so far for calibration is used the Audyssey method. can you please elaborate how I would do that? BTW, i have a Denon x2100w receiver not Yamaha.

You got me here, these are my first set of "real" home theater speakers :-) Was using a Sony HTiB 5.1 system before..
You can follow above steps by dsrussell's method. But here is the old fashion way to do it manually.

Have spl meter and set it to 75db or C weighted and slow response.

1. Play test tone and while seated in your MLP point the spl meter at 45 degrees toward celing whole time and do not make any sounds.....turn up your main volume knob til it reads 75db on the meter and then don't touch that volume knob anymore. (make sure the spl meter is pointed in same direction and in same spot for each channel in the ceiling, do not point it at the speaker)
2. Play the test tones on your Denon and adjust the left/right/center/surrounds levels only to 75 db. So if its reading 77db on left speaker then you turn left speaker level down in the denon to 75db and repeat for all speakers. Goal here is to get each speaker exactly or close to the same.
3. For the subwoofer you want to turn up the subwoofer's amp volume to 75db or little more than 75 depending on your taste when running sub test tone.
4. Double check and play each test tone (while maintaining same spl meter position for all channels) to make sure it all is 75db and check your distance/delays for your speakers in feet where you sit and make sure its correct.

Also check your crossover settings and run all your speakers to small and crossover at 80hz and make sure sub itself is set at bypass or highest setting.

This is how we manually do this since some of us have older avr and preamps that do not have audessey/ypao, etc.

Let us know if this helps!

Axiom M60, VP150, EP500
Panasonic 60-S60 Plasma
Panasonic BDT 500
Rotel 1075 Amp & Rotel 1068 Processor
Monster power conditioner
ereed is offline  
post #6247 of 6250 Unread Today, 04:41 AM
Member
 
rahulp001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Thanks for all the inputs. I think I have some experimentation to do this weekend. Will report what I find.
rahulp001 is online now  
post #6248 of 6250 Unread Today, 05:20 AM
AVS Special Member
 
gregoryperkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 1,494
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 214 Post(s)
Liked: 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by rahulp001 View Post
Agree. But i pretty much have to be in the -10 to -5db area for any movie content. Not sure if being this close to reference is a good thing, in terms of causing any danger to the receiver itself?
Yes, i played around with the front speaker positions. I have the center turned a little upwards with a wedge. The LR speakers are toed in (as in pointing to the MLP) and about 1.5ft away from the side and back walls (based on other posts i read on the forum).
Are you suggesting I should toe out, as in point them towards the side walls? let me know if i got it correct..
Yeah, that just seems to be where this setup is. I had a Yamaha before the Denon and I'd run it around -10. With the 2100, I run it much closer to reference. If you don't like it running it at reference, you can always change the scale.

I wouldn't worry about it unless it's getting really hot.
gregoryperkins is online now  
post #6249 of 6250 Unread Today, 05:27 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Transmaniacon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 5,527
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1253 Post(s)
Liked: 1076
I would wager those two seats in front of the sofa are playing a big part in the sound quality as well. You mention hearing the sound in front of you moreso than immersing you, it could be reflections from those seats. Generally you don't want anything between you and the speakers, I would pull them out and just leave the main sofa in there. Perhaps move it up a few feet as well so you are sitting closer.

Re-run Audyssey after doing this and see how things sound. I sit 10 feet away and generally listen at about -15dB with a weaker receiver and I often find myself turning it down in loud scenes.

You may also want to check Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Volume, they modify the sound for different purposes like reducing background noise and enhancing dialogue and surround effects. For a dedicated space you may want to turn these off and see how things sound.

Samsung PN60F5300 | Denon AVR-1713 | EMP E55Ti | EMP E56Ci | EMP E5Bi | Outlaw Ultra-X12
Transmaniacon is online now  
post #6250 of 6250 Unread Today, 05:35 AM
Member
 
rahulp001's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 163
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 67 Post(s)
Liked: 13
Hmm.. never thought about the 2 seats. Thanks for the tip. Will try that as well.
rahulp001 is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Speakers

Tags
Emp , Emp Tek , Emp Tek E10s Subwoofer , Emp Tek Ef30c Center Speaker , Emp Tek Ef30t Tower Speakers , Emp Tek E55tir Tower Speakers , Emp Tek Ef30 Bookshelf Speakers , Speaker Systems



Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off