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I have bought all my EMP/RBH on B stock and have yet to find a single flaw in any of the items. A lot of times, B stock is just returned stock or stock from which comes to EMP with damaged packaging.
Also, I think "B stock" often means "A-stock at the lowest price the vendor is willing to settle for" (esp. for discontinued or soon-to-be-upgraded models) aimed at the hardcore bargain-hunter/cheapskates such as...yours truly.

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So should/can the R56C be xover the same as the R55Ti's?
They are almost identical to the towers (one less driver), so I would certainly think they should be crossed over the same as your front speakers.
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Well this review is for the 500 watt system. I'd guess that the base model is close, but not reviewed in this video. This is one of the least objective reviews I've ever seen! Maybe I needed to be listening with my pc plugged in to my surround sound system, but I never heard anything from the moving sub. It is immense for a sub of that size. My svs nsd 12" is only 14" tall...

That said, I want one. I always do...
Yeah I would wager the subs are pretty close, probably within a few dB of each other with the I-12/e digging a bit deeper.

It's more of a product showcase, but they do good measurements and that's basically what I watched it for. I couldn't hear the sub either but they were testing outside and probably out of the range of the camera's mic.

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They are almost identical to the towers (one less driver), so I would certainly think they should be crossed over the same as your front speakers.
Audyssey sets my E56Ci at 80Hz and the towers at 60Hz. I usually bump up the towers to 80Hz as well, to give myself a bit more headroom. But as long as you don't go lower than what Audyssey sets, you can try different ones and see what you like.

On an unrelated note, my AVR-1713 has been going into protection mode during movies. Usually it's only one time, and it comes right back on, I am guessing it's running a bit too warm. There is space to the sides of the receiver, and a bit on the top, so my guess is airflow could be improved. I usually listen at 60-65, so I probably either need to lower it or try and create some more space above the unit.
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On an unrelated note, my AVR-1713 has been going into protection mode during movies. Usually it's only one time, and it comes right back on, I am guessing it's running a bit too warm. There is space to the sides of the receiver, and a bit on the top, so my guess is airflow could be improved. I usually listen at 60-65, so I probably either need to lower it or try and create some more space above the unit.
Well that's a bummer . Both the Denon I own, a Marantz that I auditioned at home, and my son's Onkyo all get very hot. I was shocked by this heat, which doesn't bode well for longevity. Yes, get as much space around your AVR as possible. That heat needs to dissipate.

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Well that's a bummer . Both the Denon I own, a Marantz that I auditioned at home, and my son's Onkyo all get very hot. I was shocked by this heat, which doesn't bode well for longevity. Yes, get as much space around your AVR as possible. That heat needs to dissipate.
Yeah D&M is notorious for running warm, Onkyo as well. You're right they probably aren't built to last anymore, I will see if I can raise the center shelf and get some more space, but I don't know where my Blu Ray player will go

I think my next receiver is going to be a Yamaha Aventage, I am waiting for all the 4K and HDCP stuff to mature before I start replacing pieces for UHD.
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Well that's a bummer . Both the Denon I own, a Marantz that I auditioned at home, and my son's Onkyo all get very hot. I was shocked by this heat, which doesn't bode well for longevity. Yes, get as much space around your AVR as possible. That heat needs to dissipate.
Couple months ago, somebody on this forum reported using a computer case cooler fan for their AVR, with fantastic results. I imagine there must be a YT video out there somewhere that'll show how to do it.
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Another option is to purchase an AVR that has built in fans. But those usually start in the couple thousand dollar range.

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Couple months ago, somebody on this forum reported using a computer case cooler fan for their AVR, with fantastic results. I imagine there must be a YT video out there somewhere that'll show how to do it.
That might be a good option to get some fresh air in there, I do have some extra case fans laying around so I just need to figure a way to power it.

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Another option is to purchase an AVR that has built in fans. But those usually start in the couple thousand dollar range.
Yeah that's a bit rich for my blood

It's not every movie, but I would say every other one it does it, more than I would like obviously. Granted it's a relatively basic unit so I guess I can't expect too much from it.

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Do you have an open rack without doors or anything? It will improve air flow for sure. Also you could buy used external amp that hooks up to your AVR and use AVR as pre/pro only and it may fix the "going to protected mode" issue. Cheaper buying used amp than high end AVR and will give you more wattage as well. Does your AVR have analog outputs?

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Do you have an open rack without doors or anything? It will improve air flow for sure. Also you could buy used external amp that hooks up to your AVR and use AVR as pre/pro only and it may fix the "going to protected mode" issue. Cheaper buying used amp than high end AVR and will give you more wattage as well. Does your AVR have analog outputs?


It's open and isn't crammed in there, I still have about 1.5" above the unit (which probably needs more space). Unfortunately it doesn't have pre-outs so I couldn't add an external amp. I may try a case fan to circulate air in there better, would be the cheapest option right now.

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I'm assuming the vents are on top of the AVR and you need at least 3 inches of breathing room above it? Most manuals say 4 inches minimum so heat can escape quicker from the past AVRs I've had. Does it shut off every time you watch a movie? If so, try pulling AVR out and see if it shuts off. If it still does its the AVR itself that probably needs replaced down the road, if not then its the heat clearance issue. Looks like heat is escaping fine from looking at the pic but knowing myself I like more clearance.

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It's open and isn't crammed in there, I still have about 1.5" above the unit (which probably needs more space). Unfortunately it doesn't have pre-outs so I couldn't add an external amp. I may try a case fan to circulate air in there better, would be the cheapest option right now.
I would get some type of usb powered fan just to get some air flowing or get some very efficient speakers, or plan on upgrading the receiver if it isn't a heat issue.

But I would start with the least costly route
I have my receiver completely out in the open. on my phone now so I'll just attach it.
Still haven't figured out why my phone pics get rotated, but anyway...
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It's open and isn't crammed in there, I still have about 1.5" above the unit (which probably needs more space). Unfortunately it doesn't have pre-outs so I couldn't add an external amp. I may try a case fan to circulate air in there better, would be the cheapest option right now.
If you want maximum quiet, try a Noctua fan...a bit pricier than average but well worth it in my experience.

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If the back is sealed, open it up. Hard to say with the photo.
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This is a pretty simple top exhaust fan setup for an AVR. Only $30.



https://www.coolerguys.com/collectio...d-control-lite

My AVR shelves are plenty spacious so I haven't needed any such cooling myself.

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I keep mine out in open so it gets vented from all 4 sides. @bgtighe23 no idea why the pic turns sideways either. Haven't figured that out!
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I keep mine out in open so it gets vented from all 4 sides. @bgtighe23 no idea why the pic turns sideways either. Haven't figured that out!
Seems like your camera or phone is orienting the photos sideways. Open your photo in Windows photo viewer or other app and rotate it and save, fixed.

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I'm in the clear to purchase 4 R55s and a R56 or should I wait November and see if JBL does indeed start pushing out 590s and 520c again? Decisions decisions.
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Geez the JBL 590 and 530c have been pushed back until Jan 2017. Might be getting empteks.
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It's open and isn't crammed in there, I still have about 1.5" above the unit (which probably needs more space). Unfortunately it doesn't have pre-outs so I couldn't add an external amp. I may try a case fan to circulate air in there better, would be the cheapest option right now.
I think the cheapest cost route is to just remove the back board (usually a card board) of the cabinent behine the AVR. No fan and no noise to deal with.

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Geez the JBL 590 and 530c have been pushed back until Jan 2017. Might be getting empteks.
Just get the EMP, and pair it with a good sub. You won't regret it.
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Seems like your camera or phone is orienting the photos sideways. Open your photo in Windows photo viewer or other app and rotate it and save, fixed.
The only way I get them right is if I email them to myself, get on my desktop, screen shot the pics, then upload.

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Geez the JBL 590 and 530c have been pushed back until Jan 2017. Might be getting empteks.
The continuing saga of the JBL 500 series supply problems. The 530’s has had this problem for the past two years when I was looking and kept pushing back those dates. Now it has expanded to the 580’s and 590’s. I honestly don’t know what is up with JBL. Too big, perhaps? But when they do come back, I doubt you’ll see another eye-popping sale like before. These are $2k / pair speakers.

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I'm assuming the vents are on top of the AVR and you need at least 3 inches of breathing room above it? Most manuals say 4 inches minimum so heat can escape quicker from the past AVRs I've had. Does it shut off every time you watch a movie? If so, try pulling AVR out and see if it shuts off. If it still does its the AVR itself that probably needs replaced down the road, if not then its the heat clearance issue. Looks like heat is escaping fine from looking at the pic but knowing myself I like more clearance.
Yeah the vents are on top, I would say it's every other movie. I can watch netflix for hours, but when I put on something that really stresses the receiver it's usually when it does it. I didn't have the problem in the past, but now it's a bit more common so I am hoping it's not the receiver deciding it's end is near...

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I would get some type of usb powered fan just to get some air flowing or get some very efficient speakers, or plan on upgrading the receiver if it isn't a heat issue.

But I would start with the least costly route
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Yeah I think I will try a fan in there and see if the issue persists.

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If the back is sealed, open it up. Hard to say with the photo.
Yes the back is sealed up so I need to pull in cool air from the front.

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I think the cheapest cost route is to just remove the back board (usually a card board) of the cabinent behine the AVR. No fan and no noise to deal with.
The backboard is actually a thin plywood so I can't take it off without cutting out a hole. I would rather see if a fan can get some fresh air in there before I go cutting up my furniture.

Thanks for the all help guys, I will give a fan a shot and see if I can keep things cooler. I will likely need to exhaust the hot air above the unit unless I find a way to push cool air into it. Hopefully this solves the problem as I wasn't planning on buying a new receiver right now.

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I use this for my onkyo 3009 and parasound A31. I swapped out the fans for 120mm noctuas using the lowest inline resistor. Works great. A little costly especially adding in the noctua fans but I don't have proper clearance but it sucks all the hot air out fine with no no noise.
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The continuing saga of the JBL 500 series supply problems. The 530’s has had this problem for the past two years when I was looking and kept pushing back those dates. Now it has expanded to the 580’s and 590’s. I honestly don’t know what is up with JBL. Too big, perhaps? But when they do come back, I doubt you’ll see another eye-popping sale like before. These are $2k / pair speakers.
I completely missed out on the $900 a pair because I had my eyes set on L890. I know our hearing only goes up to ~20khz but the extra 20khz helps with live instruments. Wussed out on the L890s because I was unsure about center. Now my #1 option is the studio 590 and I know MSRP is $2000 a pair, hoping for the $900 a pair again but realistically hoping for $1200 a pair with the wimpy but probably punches above weight 520c. Really in a dilemma here. Would prefer 8" woofers but I know 6.5" would suffice. I have two hsu subs so I am gold there. I am fond of JBL and they are proven in the upper tier consumer products. Probably going to go empteks now that the 590s are pushed back so late. Waiting on JBL email reply to see what they say first. Ugh.
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I completely missed out on the $900 a pair because I had my eyes set on L890. I know our hearing only goes up to ~20khz but the extra 20khz helps with live instruments. Wussed out on the L890s because I was unsure about center. Now my #1 option is the studio 590 and I know MSRP is $2000 a pair, hoping for the $900 a pair again but realistically hoping for $1200 a pair with the wimpy but probably punches above weight 520c. Really in a dilemma here. Would prefer 8" woofers but I know 6.5" would suffice. I have two hsu subs so I am gold there. I am fond of JBL and they are proven in the upper tier consumer products. Probably not going to go empteks now that the 590s are pushed back so late. Waiting on JBL email reply to see what they say first. Ugh.
Darn. I was hoping you'd get the 590's and report your findings! But since I rate the 530's highly, I'm pretty sure the 590's would be quite special.

But I'm happy with my RBH/EMP Tek setup and have no desire to change. Even after listening to the Sierra towers w/RAAL tweeter (a very nice speaker, btw), I'm quite satisfied with what I have in the EMPs. If you do purchase them, I hope you'll be as satisfied as I.

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Darn. I was hoping you'd get the 590's and report your findings! But since I rate the 530's highly, I'm pretty sure the 590's would be quite special.

But I'm happy with my RBH/EMP Tek setup and have no desire to change. Even after listening to the Sierra towers w/RAAL tweeter (a very nice speaker, btw), I'm quite satisfied with what I have in the EMPs. If you do purchase them, I hope you'll be as satisfied as I.

I am a little kid with a hole burning in my pocket right now.

The emps seem the goto and at a bargain at that.

Think I will see if I get personal or cookie cutter response from JBL before I really put the decision on the scale. If they soundly convince me the 5 series will indeed be back I will save up for another parasound amp and the extra chunk of change to get the the JBLs but not MSRP. looking to spend ~$1800 tops for a JBL LCR front stage. I can get my pseudo surround fix with 4 R55s and 1 R56 for $200 less and add a pair of R5s for back surround for a 7.2 mix. I am still running Polk's with a LCR and two wides and am quite happy with the surround I get. At this point 4+ months is hard to wait for JBL 5 series but I am still looking for used also. I have heard some good recordings from YouTube for both JBL and emp and I am quite aware that that is not a good gauge for comparing speakers but it was obvious high quality mics were used some of the recordings. As it stands, the emps probably have a better center channel bar none, but the towers I'm sure trump that easily. I am going to try and be patient for at least a month before I start really weighing what I want. Both have their own aesthetic appeal in their own right, but there is something about 4' towers with 8" woofers that is very appealing that give JBL a slight edge.

Perhaps with money saved getting emps I could go for a third sub. Lol.

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