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Your E55wis should always be side surrounds. No matter if its 5.1 or 7.1 the sides are supposed to be sides and rears are rears. Some people use 5.1 with rears but its wrong and should be sides. 7.1 adds rears. So put the E55wis 90 degrees from your MLP no matter what. You don't have to do atmos or 7.1 right away but it will be easy to just add the bookshelfs and ceiling speakers later when funds permit and you won't have to change the current 5.1 setup at all since its already there. Just make sure tweeter level are all same height if possible. You will have ideal 5.1 setup and it will still sound good. Then add bookshelfs when funds permit and you will have good 7.1. Then when you're ready add the ceiling speakers and have 2 of them playing with current receiver, then once you get new AVR with full atmos then you connect other 2 ceiling speakers to the AVR. But go ahead and wire it. Just make sure the ceiling speakers are 45 degrees front and behind you from your MLP and the ceiling speaker itself should be 90 degree dispersion.

I know you are thinking ahead but really nothing changes from atmos and 5.1 you have now...speakers will be same exact place with exception of adding to your current 5.1. Just get the 5.1 correct and add others later. How much space will you have behind your MLP to rear wall? This will determine if you should do 7.2.4 or 5.2.4.


i'm budget'd for the Atmos upgrade now. what's going through my mind is it worth paying $1200+ AVR to be able to run .4 for the rear Atmos speakers or has most people been happy and content call it a day with just the front Atmos speakers upgrade with the average AVR .2 running $500-700? you know what i mean? i don't mind running 5.1.2 but is it really a better experience with a 5.1.4? i can do without the rear surround speakers.


thanks for your input ereed!

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What would be some budget direct speakers to use as rear surrounds with the r5bi's?
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What would be some budget direct speakers to use as rear surrounds with the r5bi's?


i've heard some guys will use their old HTIB surrounds with their current Emps to save on a budget. i've read the only speakers that should be timber matched are the mains and center
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i'm budget'd for the Atmos upgrade now. what's going through my mind is it worth paying $1200+ AVR to be able to run .4 for the rear Atmos speakers or has most people been happy and content call it a day with just the front Atmos speakers upgrade with the average AVR .2 running $500-700? you know what i mean? i don't mind running 5.1.2 but is it really a better experience with a 5.1.4? i can do without the rear surround speakers.


thanks for your input ereed!


Both 5.1.2 or .4 set-ups have rear surrounds, that is still a MUST for any surround set-up. You need an AVR that can isolate the Atmos sounds & send to overheads.

I also considered settling for 2 overheads due to the AVR cost difference. But for long term I bit the bullet and purchased refurb 9 channel A2050 to cut that difference in half.

Most everyone states .2 is good, but .4 definitely better for sounds zooming overhead front to back.. its pretty cool. Good luck with ur decision!
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Both 5.1.2 or .4 set-ups have rear surrounds, that is still a MUST for any surround set-up. You need an AVR that can isolate the Atmos sounds & send to overheads.

I also considered settling for 2 overheads due to the AVR cost difference. But for long term I bit the bullet and purchased refurb 9 channel A2050 to cut that difference in half.

Most everyone states .2 is good, but .4 definitely better for sounds zooming overhead front to back.. its pretty cool. Good luck with ur decision!


that's what i mean. i wasn't sure if it was worth spending more for the extra .2 for the rear Atmos. sucks nowadays that you can't demo Atmos since Best Buy eliminated their Magnolia rooms. can you point me in a direction as far as refurb AVR's since you got a pretty good deal on your purchase? i've been scouring the internet for some deals. thanks!
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Best place is Accessoriesforless.com; authorized OEM reseller for Yamaha, Denon & Marantz which all come with factory 1 year warranty & 18 months for Yammy Adventage like my A2050. My fear was I would regret in 1-2 yrs not getting those extra 2 overheads.

I have RSL C34 speakers and they are excellent at $250 pair shipped
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Best place is Accessoriesforless.com; authorized OEM reseller for Yamaha, Denon & Marantz which all come with factory 1 year warranty & 18 months for Yammy Adventage like my A2050. My fear was I would regret in 1-2 yrs not getting those extra 2 overheads.

I have RSL C34 speakers and they are excellent at $250 pair shipped


hey thanks! i'll check it out! i know what you mean by regretting it in the longrun realizing you should've gone .4 in the beginning instead of .2 and that's why i'm asking haha!
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after 3 days of ordering the towers and center i just received them. pretty fast

there are some dents on the outer brown box on a couple of the boxes though, hope nothing happened. setting them up tomorrow.
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i've heard some guys will use their old HTIB surrounds with their current Emps to save on a budget. i've read the only speakers that should be timber matched are the mains and center
I have an old set of Energy RC micro speakers I could use. Any thoughts on this? I've also read some of the Dayton Audio Speakers could work. The B652's are on sale as well as the Air version which uses an AMT tweeter. Would either of these be a better option?
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depending on the soundtrack 5% or less conent will be heard from your surrounds,sothat is where you go cheap if necessary.

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AWESOME! i'll get some real measurements once i get a chance to walk the house again. so the sub replacement should be in the middle? i always thought having them in one of the front corners off 6" was ideal? it's a Klipsch 12" firing downward with the port in the rear. waiting for Emptek to get back to be for some grill replacements as my cats a couple years ago decided to use them as scratch post. not crazy damaged but you can see some thread pulled out here and there. any suggestions for materials that can be used to rewrap them? i know Emptek will ship me new one's as i forgot how much but was wondering if i'm better just rewrapping them?


found this recommendation?
http://www.acoustimac.com/dmd-acoustic-fabric


also wondering if this is the same material that can be used for bass traps and panels?


here's the response i got back from Emptek!


Hi!

Yeah we could get you the E56Ci grilles for $48 and the E55Ti griles for $50 each. If you would like to order those, you could either call us ready with your credit card, or I can send you a paypal invoice. Whichever you prefer.

Thanks!


Crap, that's spendy! I have a couple e55ti grills I am not using...

For those prices I might have the r56ci also. Lol

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Hi All,

Posted this in Audio Theory/Setup but didn't get any replies. So I'll try here! Currently have a 3.1 (EMP Tek R5Bi and R56Ci) system and would like to get to 5.1.4 if possible. However, due to recent remodel, I need to try and sort out placement for my Rear surrounds and the height speakers. The challenge I'm faced with is that there's really nowhere to place my E3b surrounds.

Has anyone tried 6 in-ceiling speakers with success (2 rear surrounds and 4 height)? This could possibly achieve 5.1.4. The other option i can think of is a 5.1.2 setup with rear in-ceiling surrounds and front height speakers. Seating is 12' from tv and room is 15' wide. The room opens into the dining, so there's plenty of ceiling space behind the couch.

Appreciate any help you can offer! I've not purchased the surround or height speakers yet.
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Hi All,

Posted this in Audio Theory/Setup but didn't get any replies. So I'll try here! Currently have a 3.1 (EMP Tek R5Bi and R56Ci) system and would like to get to 5.1.4 if possible. However, due to recent remodel, I need to try and sort out placement for my Rear surrounds and the height speakers. The challenge I'm faced with is that there's really nowhere to place my E3b surrounds.

Has anyone tried 6 in-ceiling speakers with success (2 rear surrounds and 4 height)? This could possibly achieve 5.1.4. The other option i can think of is a 5.1.2 setup with rear in-ceiling surrounds and front height speakers. Seating is 12' from tv and room is 15' wide. The room opens into the dining, so there's plenty of ceiling space behind the couch.

Appreciate any help you can offer! I've not purchased the surround or height speakers yet.
I don't think you want to do it that way, I wouldn't put the surrounds in the ceiling. Put them somewhere on the side. I have 5.4.4, the fronts heights are on wall and the rears are nearly ceiling mounted. My seating is not ideal because the projector hast to be where it is. The front height are old EMP on walls that they no longer sell, the rears are inexpensive Polks that do the job and are versatile for mounting as heights.
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hooked up my bstock towers and center. very few imperfections on the finish but these speakers are NEW.

i will run audyssey after around 50 hours breakin. new they sound much better than my first generation aj pioneers and tower.
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hooked up my bstock towers and center. very few imperfections on the finish but these speakers are NEW.

i will run audyssey after around 50 hours breakin. new they sound much better than my first generation aj pioneers and tower.
I've found that there is very little break-in time with any of the EMP speakers. A couple of hours is all you'll need. Enjoy!

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ok i think there might be something wrong with the center. dialogue sounds hollow if that makes sense. or maybe its that im watching direct tv hmmm

do i need to angle it upwards like i did with the pioneer center? its sitting under the tv
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DirecTV sound sucks (I have DirecTV). Very compressed. Judge a speaker by using a good quality source (CD's, DVD's and/or Blu-rays).

There is never any harm in angling speakers toward your ear level while seated. Try it and see.

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played a lil of sunshine and braveheart. much better

i played them loud, couldnt help it. hope that doesnt do any damage to new speakers
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ok i think there might be something wrong with the center. dialogue sounds hollow if that makes sense. or maybe its that im watching direct tv hmmm

do i need to angle it upwards like i did with the pioneer center? its sitting under the tv
yes, as Dsrussell says, DirectTV sucks for audio! Not saying there isn't any issue with your center, but pop in a blue ray before you make that call! I had the blue ray of Oblivion for about a year before I heard the movie on DTV and I had the volume up +5 db from what I usually watch the BR and the LFE was really poor, in comparison!

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