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Very close, the components are shipped from China, but assembled here in Utah.

Source: Been in their building/warehouse and had to wait days for them to build mine. They have no built speakers in their factory, just pallets of components.


Also, a word of caution to those that have purchased these, I found that one of my drivers was not working today and that it needed to be re-connected. So you cats may want to check yours.
how do i check if the drivers are working? i think something is sounding off on the big center. i put my ears close to each driver but i cant tell. but still, i think something is off.
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how do i check if the drivers are working? i think something is sounding off on the big center. i put my ears close to each driver but i cant tell. but still, i think something is off.
Finger test it? Tweeter with ear.
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how do i check if the drivers are working? i think something is sounding off on the big center. i put my ears close to each driver but i cant tell. but still, i think something is off.
First check to make sure you don't have loose speaker wires that fell out of binding post on both speaker side and amp side. Make sure you have Center ON the AVR. If everything looks good and still no sound then try putting another speaker on that same center speaker wire where center channel is and if there is still no sound then its the wire or setup issue......if you get sound with another speaker then its the center channel.

You can also touch the mids on the outer surround (not the tweeter) and if its working you will feel it playing, but you should also hear it as well. Keep us updated.

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yes, do the things suggested, but then if you are not satisified, just request a RMA and send it back. EMP has great customer service, from what I have experienced! If the speaker is defective, EMP should pay the return shipping.

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I've searched this thread up and down and have found a lot of recommendations for mounts. I'm still not entirely sure which mount is best for wall mounting a pair of R5Bi. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the following.

1) Clamping style (e.g. VideoSecu or Pinpoint AM40)
2) Rear screw style (e.g. Pinpoint AM20)

Does the curve of the speaker really prohibit the side clamps from working effectively? I'm planning on using some tack or velcro for added support if I go with the side clamping mounts. And my only concern with the rear screw mount is that the screw fits and the thread doesn't get stripped. Can anyone share their recommendation/experience on how they mounted their R5Bis?

Thanks!

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I've searched this thread up and down and have found a lot of recommendations for mounts. I'm still not entirely sure which mount is best for wall mounting a pair of R5Bi. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the following.

1) Clamping style (e.g. VideoSecu or Pinpoint AM40)
2) Rear screw style (e.g. Pinpoint AM20)

Does the curve of the speaker really prohibit the side clamps from working effectively? I'm planning on using some tack or velcro for added support if I go with the side clamping mounts. And my only concern with the rear screw mount is that the screw fits and the thread doesn't get stripped. Can anyone share their recommendation/experience on how they mounted their R5Bis?

Thanks!
In the case of R5Bi, the clamp style mounts work well with small amount of blu-tack applied to the pressure points and the bottom. My speaker stand accidentally fell down, and the speaker was still attached to the mount.
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Hi All,

Posted this in Audio Theory/Setup but didn't get any replies. So I'll try here! Currently have a 3.1 (EMP Tek R5Bi and R56Ci) system and would like to get to 5.1.4 if possible. However, due to recent remodel, I need to try and sort out placement for my Rear surrounds and the height speakers. The challenge I'm faced with is that there's really nowhere to place my E3b surrounds.

Has anyone tried 6 in-ceiling speakers with success (2 rear surrounds and 4 height)? This could possibly achieve 5.1.4. The other option i can think of is a 5.1.2 setup with rear in-ceiling surrounds and front height speakers. Seating is 12' from tv and room is 15' wide. The room opens into the dining, so there's plenty of ceiling space behind the couch.

Appreciate any help you can offer! I've not purchased the surround or height speakers yet.
The surround (along with LCR) needs to close to your ear level, so there is a separation between the ground and height speakers for ATMOS to be efficient.

You can use in-wall (ceiling) speakers for the height speakers, and use a bracket to mount the surround lower close to ear level.
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i'm budget'd for the Atmos upgrade now. what's going through my mind is it worth paying $1200+ AVR to be able to run .4 for the rear Atmos speakers or has most people been happy and content call it a day with just the front Atmos speakers upgrade with the average AVR .2 running $500-700? you know what i mean? i don't mind running 5.1.2 but is it really a better experience with a 5.1.4? i can do without the rear surround speakers.


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5.1.4 is nice but you need a 9 channel AVR. That is the reason I went with 5.1.2 (also my MLP is against the back wall so cannot benefit from the overhead panning effect of .4 anyway.) You can pre-wire the 4 ceiling speakers and just use two for now for 5.1.2 and wait for a better deal of 5.1.4 AVR. If you got the money and your MLP could be between the 2 pairs of ceiling speakers, go for 5.1.4.
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I've searched this thread up and down and have found a lot of recommendations for mounts. I'm still not entirely sure which mount is best for wall mounting a pair of R5Bi. I've pretty much narrowed it down to the following.

1) Clamping style (e.g. VideoSecu or Pinpoint AM40)
2) Rear screw style (e.g. Pinpoint AM20)

Does the curve of the speaker really prohibit the side clamps from working effectively? I'm planning on using some tack or velcro for added support if I go with the side clamping mounts. And my only concern with the rear screw mount is that the screw fits and the thread doesn't get stripped. Can anyone share their recommendation/experience on how they mounted their R5Bis?

Thanks!
I ordered these. I have them mounted on my wall, but I'm still waiting for my R5Bi speakers to arrive. I'll let you know how it goes when they get here (haven't shipped yet).

I can tell you they don't angle down very far. They come with foam strips with adhesive on one side so you can protect your speakers finish. However, the foam is pretty thin, and they don't quite provide enough that I felt comfortable. I bought some kids fun foam from Hobby Lobby and padded the inside of the mount.

The walls of the R5Bi speakers curve, tapering toward the back. I'm not sure how much of a problem that is going to be. To be honest, the part of the clamp that holds the speakers isn't very big. It wasn't ever going to hold the entire side of the speaker anyway. I'll probably use some blue tack to help secure the speakers. Also, I'll probably loop the speaker wire around the bracket arm for some added security.
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In the case of R5Bi, the clamp style mounts work well with small amount of blu-tack applied to the pressure points and the bottom. My speaker stand accidentally fell down, and the speaker was still attached to the mount.
Thanks for the quick reply. Glad to hear the speaker remained attached!

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I ordered these. I have them mounted on my wall, but I'm still waiting for my R5Bi speakers to arrive. I'll let you know how it goes when they get here (haven't shipped yet).

I can tell you they don't angle down very far. They come with foam strips with adhesive on one side so you can protect your speakers finish. However, the foam is pretty thin, and they don't quite provide enough that I felt comfortable. I bought some kids fun foam from Hobby Lobby and padded the inside of the mount.

The walls of the R5Bi speakers curve, tapering toward the back. I'm not sure how much of a problem that is going to be. To be honest, the part of the clamp that holds the speakers isn't very big. It wasn't ever going to hold the entire side of the speaker anyway. I'll probably use some blue tack to help secure the speakers. Also, I'll probably loop the speaker wire around the bracket arm for some added security.
Thanks. I am leaning towards these from a cost perspective. And I like the idea of looping the speaker wire around. i was thinking of securing it in a similar fashion with maybe a zip tie or something else going from the bottom of the mount back up to a screw in the back screw port of the speaker.

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Thanks for the quick reply. Glad to hear the speaker remained attached!



Thanks. I am leaning towards these from a cost perspective. And I like the idea of looping the speaker wire around. i was thinking of securing it in a similar fashion with maybe a zip tie or something else going from the bottom of the mount back up to a screw in the back screw port of the speaker.
I just received my shipping notification, so I should be able to let you know how they work out Thursday.
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I just received my shipping notification, so I should be able to let you know how they work out Thursday.
Thanks. I'd appreciate that!

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how do i check if the drivers are working? i think something is sounding off on the big center. i put my ears close to each driver but i cant tell. but still, i think something is off.


I did what the others suggested and just put a finger on the cone lightly.

I don't know what prompted me to do it, but there it was. I still have got to check all my other ones.

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I did what the others suggested and just put a finger on the cone lightly.

I don't know what prompted me to do it, but there it was. I still have got to check all my other ones.

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@dsr usell. You're the big fan of the R5's right? If so, how are the e3b's? Or have you not heard them? If my new amp impresses I am considering them for object based surround formats in the future when I feel like getting the whole experience because of the size which should allow lots of flexibility for placement. Or is it a no trainer to go ahead and get 4 R5's for the extra height channels for the extra $100 a pair?
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@dsr usell. You're the big fan of the R5's right? If so, how are the e3b's? Or have you not heard them? If my new amp impresses I am considering them for object based surround formats in the future when I feel like getting the whole experience because of the size which should allow lots of flexibility for placement. Or is it a no trainer to go ahead and get 4 R5's for the extra height channels for the extra $100 a pair?
Yes, I am a fan of the R5Bi's. I'm also a fan of many speakers (and not a big fan of others). I have never heard the E3b's, so cannot offer an opinion (although I doubt they would be bad for surround use).
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Thanks. I'd appreciate that!
So I set my speakers up today. The mounts work pretty well. As mentioned earlier, the clamps really aren't that big, so the curvature of the speaker doesn't really come into play. The speakers are front-heavy, so they'll want to fall off if you angle the mount downward. However, after you tighten the clamps, they'll stay put.

The advice I gave earlier definitely helps. I looped the speaker wire around the bracket arm for some security in case the speaker falls off (it won't). Also, I bought some kid's fun foam and used it to pad the inside of the clamp. The brackets include some foam strips, but they're not very thick and there isn't enough. So I would do the same as I did and pad the clamps and base with the fun foam. It comes in different thickness. I don't know which thickness I bought, but it was the thickest the store had.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the mounts.

If you're going to run the speaker wire through the wall, it may look a little ugly. There's no hole in the mount to run wire through, so the wire would just have to run into an arbitrary hole in the wall next to the bracket. If you're not going to run the speaker wire through the wall, they'll work perfectly fine.

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so i have the towers and center and set them to 60. using a f12 subwoofer.

sounds better to me than 80 crossover

im curious, at what point does the thumping bass come from? 40? 60? and below?

my sub is rated down to 25 i think. im just hoping im not missing anything setting the towers and center to 60.

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so i have the towers and center and set them to 60. using a f12 subwoofer.

sounds better to me than 80 crossover

im curious, at what point does the thumping bass come from? 40? 60? and below?

my sub is rated down to 25 i think. im just hoping im not missing anything setting the towers and center to 60.
The towers play fine down to 60, maybe 50. Depends on the authority of the bass partially and gain on your sub. You're only getting 25-60 from your sub and we aren't there for your listening in space to listen to other factors. You could try a higher xover like 100. As it is now you're only utilizing 35hz from your sub. Seems like a waste. Try 90 and higher for hahas and see if you get more out of it. If not, and you like the 60 xover then leave it.
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how do i check if the drivers are working? i think something is sounding off on the big center. i put my ears close to each driver but i cant tell. but still, i think something is off.
So I received my towers and the big center that I ordered over the black Friday sale. They do look nice and are certainly very solid. And big. The tweeters on the towers do end up almost a foot above my old speakers and my listening position .. But the towers sound nice and I'll give them time to open up.

I'm afraid, as above, that something is wrong with the center. It sounds like the tweeter is not working. When I replace it with another center channel from another company (actually companies) that I'm sampling, the tweeter is definitely working on that (those) center(s). So the big Emp center sounds very muffled in comparison. When I put my head next to the towers, the tweeters are definitely working with the same music or movie. Sounds like I probably need to send the center back to have it looked at.
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So I set my speakers up today. The mounts work pretty well. As mentioned earlier, the clamps really aren't that big, so the curvature of the speaker doesn't really come into play. The speakers are front-heavy, so they'll want to fall off if you angle the mount downward. However, after you tighten the clamps, they'll stay put.

The advice I gave earlier definitely helps. I looped the speaker wire around the bracket arm for some security in case the speaker falls off (it won't). Also, I bought some kid's fun foam and used it to pad the inside of the clamp. The brackets include some foam strips, but they're not very thick and there isn't enough. So I would do the same as I did and pad the clamps and base with the fun foam. It comes in different thickness. I don't know which thickness I bought, but it was the thickest the store had.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the mounts.

If you're going to run the speaker wire through the wall, it may look a little ugly. There's no hole in the mount to run wire through, so the wire would just have to run into an arbitrary hole in the wall next to the bracket. If you're not going to run the speaker wire through the wall, they'll work perfectly fine.

Thanks! This was very helpful and I really appreciate it.

Did you use any sticky tack to hold the speaker down? Or just the padding with the clamps?

And I didn't even think of a mount with a hole for the speaker wire. I currently have my wire coming out of the wall and was planning on just placing the mount right next to it. Now that you point that out, it's probably not the best looking route. I'll explore this a bit more (maybe putting a piece of round trim over the hole or finding a mount with a hole for the wire).

Also, your speakers are angled down a bit right? Assuming they are, are they pretty stable?

Thanks again!

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Thanks! This was very helpful and I really appreciate it.

Did you use any sticky tack to hold the speaker down? Or just the padding with the clamps?

And I didn't even think of a mount with a hole for the speaker wire. I currently have my wire coming out of the wall and was planning on just placing the mount right next to it. Now that you point that out, it's probably not the best looking route. I'll explore this a bit more (maybe putting a piece of round trim over the hole or finding a mount with a hole for the wire).

Also, your speakers are angled down a bit right? Assuming they are, are they pretty stable?

Thanks again!
My speakers are angled down as far as the mount will allow. I didn't use any sticky tack. The foam is gripping the speaker on the clamps, and there's some foam on the base to help add friction. I'm not worried about them falling out, even though I still wrapped the wire around the bracket arm.
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My speakers are angled down as far as the mount will allow. I didn't use any sticky tack. The foam is gripping the speaker on the clamps, and there's some foam on the base to help add friction. I'm not worried about them falling out, even though I still wrapped the wire around the bracket arm.
Excellent. Thanks again for taking the time to provide the pic and all of the details. I really appreciate it (I'm sure others do too!).

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So I received my towers and the big center that I ordered over the black Friday sale. They do look nice and are certainly very solid. And big. The tweeters on the towers do end up almost a foot above my old speakers and my listening position .. But the towers sound nice and I'll give them time to open up.

I'm afraid, as above, that something is wrong with the center. It sounds like the tweeter is not working. When I replace it with another center channel from another company (actually companies) that I'm sampling, the tweeter is definitely working on that (those) center(s). So the big Emp center sounds very muffled in comparison. When I put my head next to the towers, the tweeters are definitely working with the same music or movie. Sounds like I probably need to send the center back to have it looked at.
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when i got the speakers, the first one i connected was the center. only the center was connected and i played some direct tv program. the dialogue was low and like you you described it, muffled. i turned it up to 0 and was surprised how low the sound was. given it was the only speaker connected i guess thats normal, but i expected, loud.

i just did an experiment. i played some music on Pll M option on my receiver.

i put my ear on the towers and center tweeters. the towers tweeters sound a little louder and fuller than the center. the tweeter on the center i guess is working, but not 100%?

i would hate to go through the hassle of boxing and returning the center after ive already broken everything in. im still wondering if its all in my head. i am just not sure what to do here. in the end i think something may be off. i havent put my finger on the woofers yet but i will tomorrow. just to make sure they move/work.

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I emailed Brian at RBH and explained the situation. We agreed that I'd open the center channel to make sure everything was connected. Turns out that after opening the rear where the binding posts are connected that one wire inside was completely disconnected (hence why the tweeter and probably the mids too weren't working). I did a "bush fix" to attach the wire to the vacant spot (without soldering) and plugged the center back in. MUCH better...everything is working now. And it sounds great (towers do too). I'm going to play them a while then decide...but impressions are good with these now. Making me realize I probably need new components (receiver, etc) next.
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I emailed Brian at RBH and explained the situation. We agreed that I'd open the center channel to make sure everything was connected. Turns out that after opening the rear where the binding posts are connected that one wire inside was completely disconnected (hence why the tweeter and probably the mids too weren't working). I did a "bush fix" to attach the wire to the vacant spot (without soldering) and plugged the center back in. MUCH better...everything is working now. And it sounds great (towers do too). I'm going to play them a while then decide...but impressions are good with these now. Making me realize I probably need new components (receiver, etc) next.
when i look at the tweeter there is like a tiny little bit of wire? or maybe leftover of something, not sure what it is, on the outside of the tweeter. ill post a pic tomorrow. opening the center channel just involves removing a few screws, right? if something isnt connected im sending it back. not doing any soldering nor have the equipment to do so. doing a bush fix might come back to haunt in the future.

i really hope nothing is wrong with the center but my first impression there was.

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If your tweeter and mids on the center are working...your issue is different than mine was. I only had sound coming out of the woofers to the right and left. And, yes, just four allen-type screws on the back to remove the binding posts to see if the wires were attached. I just sort of "crimped" the wire back to the connector and is holding for now. I'll work with them to correct the issue long-term if I decide to keep them. But they do sound good now.
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One year ago I had the venerable BIC-100 sub. It served me well for 9 years. I grabbed an Outlaw X-12 for $549. Great replacement.

2 weeks ago I picked up a B stock R55ti and R56Ci to replace a Pol CS1 center and Polk monitor 60.

All I can say is WOW. I could never imagine using these new EMP Teks would make such a huge difference. My goal was to get rid of the harshness at higher volumes of the Polk centers and add any more mids possible. The difference at just normal levels is so noticeable - clarity, warmth and overall openness. Such a truly phenomenal upgrade for me. Before my question I will give the ultimate compliment...I truly have a hard time going to sleep. I go from movie to movie saying to myself I wonder how that scene will sound now...

Just one seemingly basic question... I am using a Yamaha 867 receiver and the new EMP Tek LCR combo are set to large and it sounds great. In my combo should I be using small???
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Just one seemingly basic question... I am using a Yamaha 867 receiver and the new EMP Tek LCR combo are set to large and it sounds great. In my combo should I be using small???
Happy to hear that your are enjoying your EMP Tek speakers. Very nice sound for very little money.

As far as setting your speakers to large, if you enjoy the sound you’re getting I wouldn’t worry about it. However, changing your speakers to small allows your subwoofer to take over the low-end duties, giving your speakers and amplifier a break. You should try it and try different crossover levels. I have mine crossed over at 60 Hz, others will cross over higher (80 Hz or 100 Hz).

The thing is, you may or may not hear a difference. But if you play at very loud volumes, setting your speakers to small can help reduce distortion levels.

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One year ago I had the venerable BIC-100 sub. It served me well for 9 years. I grabbed an Outlaw X-12 for $549. Great replacement.

2 weeks ago I picked up a B stock R55ti and R56Ci to replace a Pol CS1 center and Polk monitor 60.

All I can say is WOW. I could never imagine using these new EMP Teks would make such a huge difference. My goal was to get rid of the harshness at higher volumes of the Polk centers and add any more mids possible. The difference at just normal levels is so noticeable - clarity, warmth and overall openness. Such a truly phenomenal upgrade for me. Before my question I will give the ultimate compliment...I truly have a hard time going to sleep. I go from movie to movie saying to myself I wonder how that scene will sound now...

Just one seemingly basic question... I am using a Yamaha 867 receiver and the new EMP Tek LCR combo are set to large and it sounds great. In my combo should I be using small???
yes, I would let the sub handle the low stuff, it is the speaker that will do that best! I have my EMPs set to small and crossed at 80hz!

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