Originally Posted by ousooner2
How do you know that they are NOT imaging well? Just a question. Are your L & R mains not creating a perfect center image if needed? Adding a center in there should only anchor that...unless there's some things off like (refl., tune, etc). I run my e55's full range right now with the e56ci x'd at 80hz. I've tried it at 60hz, but at that point you're into LFE and it's sent to the sub. I wouldn't think there much content coming from the center at 60-80hz anyways. Maybe I'm mistaken.
I guess I should say they sound "thin" they do image well if you are in the sweet spot, but thats a very small area to me. If I sit dead center they sound great, everything is quite immerseive, but god forbid I tilt my head a little to one side
My previous two speaker sets, even the tiny sattelites I used before then had a wide sweet spot. I have moved these speakers every which way and while ive gotten them aligned to the point where the sweet spots is a little bigger but its still small, especially compared to my HTD's. The problem I had with the center specifically compared to the other centers I've had is it felt very directional. If I sat to the left of the center (my usual spot) I felt as if I was hearing everything with just my right ear, as with the HTD and polk center it still felt as if I was sitting directly in front of it. If I sat to the right the same thing, i felt like most of the sound was just hitting my left ear. It's just not what I'm used to, it does not feel as open and airy as Cadett said below. For whatever reason I changed the crossover to 60HZ last night and it opened up that center stage a little more, not sure why, my only guess is that the extra sound comming through the centers woofers made it sound more airy.
Originally Posted by cadett
@Shady, I don't think you're going to get a true "image" with a center in place. If you were running the towers by themselves, then I would see more emphasis on imaging. If you are running a center, then you are no longer creating an image, it's there(the center speaker). My theory on what might be happening is that the upper frequency on the EMP's are a little light & therefore doesn't produce that "airy" sound that can seem to "open" a sound stage up. The EMP's by themselves produce a laid back sound. They don't tend to jump out at you. However, when you get the Integra & run Audyssey, you are going to notice these speakers "come alive". They will produce that "airy" clear sound. This is just my opinion. You can read all the guides you want on Audyssey & they are going to tell you to use all six or eight measurements available, move the mic here & there, adjust this & that. Here is my personal experience with Audyssey(& when you get your mic in & get everything up & running you will see this too). I place the Audyssey mic at the location I normally sit(a little off center). I adjust it using a tripod to my ear height & run the calibration at that one spot(not moving the mic) & collect all the data from that one spot. I don't have to run all six or eight sweeps either, three is fine(Audyssey will give you an option to continue or go ahead process the data). This will dial everything in, at that location, to a greater accuracy. Now this only applies if you live in a household where you are the only critical listener. Though my take on that is there is only one spot for "critical listening" & why water it down by introducing anomalies from other areas. How far apart are your towers & are they towed in? How far do you sit?
I sit about 12 feet back from the speakers.. My front are about 9 1/2 feet apart, toed in. I played with placement for quite awhile and the spot i have them in now seems best. I agree there is 1 "true" critical listening position, and while I do appreciate that when I watch a movie by myself, most of the time I sit about a foot off to the left from the "sweet" spot on our loveseat couch. My wife to the right, with my other speakers anywhere on that loveseat was the sweet spot, where as these EMP are a little more temperamental it seems. Not that I disslike them for it, its just not what I'm used to so its taking time for my ears to really adjust. if I don't think about it, its almost as if the space opens up, but there are times where I just notice it doesnt all seem to blend together and dissapear if you will..
If I am sitting front and center this is not a problem, hell if im sitting in the center I mine as well ask myself speakers? What speakers.. just trying to figure out how to get a wider sweet spot with these, its not like im sitting off to the right or left of everything, littereally a foot outside of the "zone"