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Well after some thought I've decided to bite and buy the e56ci center channel. I would have loved to find some more reviews of it, but considering I've got the e55ti towers, I decided that it would be nice to finally get the front sound stage timbre matched. I will be upgrading from a Polk CS10 center, which was a pretty decent speaker for my needs when I got it at 16. My setup however seems to have outgrown it in the past few years, so I think this should be a pretty decent upgrade in quality!

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So when others in this thread mentioned that they listened to "complex passages of music" and thought that the speakers were "accurate" they surely weren't talking about the measured response to test tones?
They were giving their subjective opinions, which is OK, but hardly definitive. Of all the tools available to measure the accuracy of speakers the human ear is the least precise.
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Well after some thought I've decided to bite and buy the e56ci center channel. I would have loved to find some more reviews of it, but considering I've got the e55ti towers, I decided that it would be nice to finally get the front sound stage timbre matched. I will be upgrading from a Polk CS10 center, which was a pretty decent speaker for my needs when I got it at 16. My setup however seems to have outgrown it in the past few years, so I think this should be a pretty decent upgrade in quality!

Well hopefully you like it!
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They were giving their subjective opinions, which is OK, but hardly definitive. Of all the tools available to measure the accuracy of speakers the human ear is the least precise.
It could be the wire, but it could be an internal fault. Swap the positions of the speaker pair and try it to rule out or confirm that the wire is the issue.

To lsturbointeg...if you swap the surrounds on the back of your AVR and it follows the speaker, then the speaker is at fault. After you swapped SL and SR speakers and it stays on the side you were initially having trouble with (even though you're using the other surround speaker) then you have an issue with the AVR.

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They were giving their subjective opinions, which is OK.

I agree.

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Thanks for the immediate response. I'll swap both SL/SR and see if it does it again.
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Has anyone tried a pair of the E3b mini's as a desktop stereo nearfield pair? Any comments appreciated. Thanks
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No but I would imagine that they would be dynamite with addition of a small subwoofer.
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I don't think they sell them separately (at least it doesn't look like it), but maybe you're planning to pick up the set and use a pair for the computer setup. I haven't seen anything about the e3's

I'm about to pick up a pair for my PC/study also. Did a bit of research and didn't want to spend a lot and it seems the Micca MB42x is about as solid as they come for under $100. Small too so they don't overtake the desk area

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ousooner thanks for the reply. They can be purchased as a pair as per emptek. Im having trouble deciding on some pc speakers. I need small like less the 6". I could go powered ala audio engine a2 plus, but i also have an emotiva mini amp lying around to use as well. The empteks looked interesting as a smaller passive.
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No but I would imagine that they would be dynamite with addition of a small subwoofer.

Thats the thinking ...and looks like a nice alternative to some of the powered desktop offerings....
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How much are the e3's? The MB42x's have a pretty killer response and people are saying they sound very good

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I think they are $125 but often on sale for less
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They were giving their subjective opinions, which is OK, but hardly definitive. Of all the tools available to measure the accuracy of speakers the human ear is the least precise.
It could be the wire, but it could be an internal fault. Swap the positions of the speaker pair and try it to rule out or confirm that the wire is the issue.

This reminds me of the Stereophile review of the Music Hall Marimbas where the reviewer was told by the head of Music Hall designed and voiced the speakers by ear, picked up a driver here, a driver there and listened to some rock CD laying around and did the crossovers and called it good. all by lunch time.

Then of course the Stereophile measurements were so good that it called into question the design process narrative as being more myth making and marketing than truth. Unless you are Hellen Keller that hardly sounds possible. I can believe that a trained listener can recognized a speaker with general balance but hearing accuracy. You might even say that a speaker seems similar to one you know has been measured to be accurate. Supposedly this was the only speaker the head guy at Music Hall ever designed.
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I can believe that a trained listener can recognized a speaker with general balance but hearing accuracy. You might even say that a speaker seems similar to one you know has been measured to be accurate. 

 

This I buy. 


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How much are the e3's? The MB42x's have a pretty killer response and people are saying they sound very good

 

The reviews look great, and the sale price ($70) on Amazon right now looks great as well! If I didn't have to fear my wife's wrath, I'd have bought a pair myself even though I don't really need them right now. :D


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Was considering picking up a pair of E55bi to run as front heights or E55wi for rear sides. Anyone have pros or cons as to what they prefer since I can't run both? Planning on ordering by the days end...thanks!
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Was considering picking up a pair of E55bi to run as front heights

 

Did you mean E55Ti or E5Bi? I'm guessing E55Ti since you say "heights" (or towers as I understand it). If so, I don't understand how one can decide between getting fronts and sides. Do you already have either? If not, isn't it the fronts you should buy first? If you already have fronts, what do you have?


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Did you mean E55Ti or E5Bi? I'm guessing E55Ti since you say "heights" (or towers as I understand it). If so, I don't understand how one can decide between getting fronts and sides. Do you already have either? If not, isn't it the fronts you should buy first? If you already have fronts, what do you have?

Heights are up high so towers are not possible.



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Hmm, based on that diagram, my height speakers are not wide enough... I wonder if it makes a difference what room correction you use as that seemed specific to Audyssey. I am using a Yamaha with YPAO. The speakers I have currently are Polks, when I redo the screen, I'm putting up EMP on walls. Currently they are at the top left and right side of the screen but the front left and right are wider due to room restrictions.
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Heights are up high so towers are not possible.

 

Thanks. So he/she meant the bookshelves then. I count 11 speakers and 2 subwoofers in that diagram. What is that set up called, 11.2?! 


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Thanks. So he/she meant the bookshelves then. 
More than likely but I have seen some crazy things over the years lol. I have even seen home made staudium seating in a living room and other crazy crap.

Yes that is 11.2


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More than likely but I have seen some crazy things over the years lol. I have even seen home made staudium seating in a living room and other crazy crap.

Yes that is 11.2

 

Wow,..not sure how this works. Don't you need the movie you're watching (or the music you're listening to) to have the appropriate * not sure of the technical term (some kind of sound code) * optimized for 11.2 to make the best use of all these speakers? If not, are the crossovers for all speakers set to the same number so that the rest of the frequencies all go to all speakers and the room correction software only needs to assign levels to each? 


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Wow,..not sure how this works. Don't you need the movie you're watching (or the music you're listening to) to have the appropriate * not sure of the technical term (some kind of sound code) * optimized for 11.2 to make the best use of all these speakers? If not, are the crossovers for all speakers set to the same number so that the rest of the frequencies all go to all speakers and the room correction software only needs to assign levels to each? 
Look into dts neoX. It will take any source and make it into 9 channels or 11 channels. There are a few blu ray movies that are optimized for 11.1 or neoX. As for room correction, it is the same but with more channels.

There are also other options such as PLIIz. I personally use neoX because I think it sounds better. The sound field with 11 channels is pretty amazing! The best way I can describe it is sounding 3D. Seems like there are no voids in sound because there is sound above me and sound split between the fronts and surrounds. Not just sound, but the correct sound. For instance, rain or jets or helicopters are above.

I do not listen to multi channel music. I think that is better off as two channel.
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E55BI as front heights or E55WI as surround sides. Im running pioneer vsx1121x so I have the option to run one or the other and not both. Did alot of research and seems like most people run front heights as it gives more a full stage/water/wind can be heard more. So opting out for the front heights. Gonna use my Yamaha bookshelves just to get an idea. Yes, from reading here u can run Neo, DP LIIz.
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swapped rear speaker and no more resetting of the AVR. replaced the speaker wire and everything's okay! was worried that channel was bad.

went ahead as well and set the front height with my Yamaha bookshelf speakers. ran MCACC and I must say i feel like I'm hearing a fuller soundstage using PLIIZ z.
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"E55BI as front heights or E55WI as surround sides"

I assume you mean the E5Bi bookshelf speaker, not sure EMP has a E55Bi...

What is the opinion on the E55Wi surround speakers? Not really meaning to get into a dipole versus monopole debate, just wondering what users think about these surrounds!?

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E55BI as front heights or E55WI as surround sides. Im running pioneer vsx1121x so I have the option to run one or the other and not both. Did alot of research and seems like most people run front heights as it gives more a full stage/water/wind can be heard more. So opting out for the front heights. Gonna use my Yamaha bookshelves just to get an idea. Yes, from reading here u can run Neo, DP LIIz.

You don't need a lot of speaker for your front and rear effects (heights) speakers. I would think the E5Bi would be too large. I would grab a pair of the E3's for that if you want to stay all EMP.
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Morning everyone,

 

I'm brand spanking new to AVS and looking for some guidance for all you seasoned EMP owners.

 

I've recently upgraded to the following setup but having trouble with the center:

E55Ti

E56Ci

ES1010i

 

TV: Samsung UN75F6300

AVR: Samsung HW-D7000 (swapping out for a Onkyo TX-NE828 in a few weeks, hopefully)

Surrounds: Infinity (from the old 5.1 setup)

 

Basically, the E56Ci isn't producing vocals like one would expect. The sound is muddled and low in pitch, especially when compared to the sound output from the towers. I notice huge differences when I push the vocals through the towers as they sound proper. My AVR only has sound calibration for a 7.2 setup so no luck there. I had a knowledgeable buddy help with the speaker level settings but it's not any better.

 

I've double checked the polarities and repositioned the center outside of the tv stand but to no avail. I just sent an email to EMP looking for suggestions as well. Lastly, I found an older article that mentioned plugging the ports and using auralex mopads to isolate the speaker from the shelves.

 

In short, the towers sound amazing while the center isn't doing it's job. Happy Holiday!

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Morning everyone,

I'm brand spanking new to AVS and looking for some guidance for all you seasoned EMP owners.

I've recently upgraded to the following setup but having trouble with the center:
E55Ti
E56Ci
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AVR: Samsung HW-D7000 (swapping out for a Onkyo TX-NE828 in a few weeks, hopefully)
Surrounds: Infinity (from the old 5.1 setup)

Basically, the E56Ci isn't producing vocals like one would expect. The sound is muddled and low in pitch, especially when compared to the sound output from the towers. I notice huge differences when I push the vocals through the towers as they sound proper. My AVR only has sound calibration for a 7.2 setup so no luck there. I had a knowledgeable buddy help with the speaker level settings but it's not any better.

I've double checked the polarities and repositioned the center outside of the tv stand but to no avail. I just sent an email to EMP looking for suggestions as well. Lastly, I found an older article that mentioned plugging the ports and using auralex mopads to isolate the speaker from the shelves.

In short, the towers sound amazing while the center isn't doing it's job. Happy Holiday!

That is odd. Have you checked to make sure the tweeter was working? That could be a cause of the sound being "muddled and low in pitch".


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