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getting the itch to upgrade this year to a 9.2 AVR to run another set of E55wi's for side surrounds to finally complete my setup and was wondering if anyone's done this yet? probably overkill but it's cheaper than dropping more money into my lifted truck.
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Close surrounds at ear level can be really annoying. I have mine down on the floor for that reason. The tweeters are just below knee level.

Big surrounds can be quite impressive when they actually become active for explosions. Master and Commander is a good demo disc for that, first battle on the counter fire.

mine are attached to the walls 2.5' behind me 3' from each corner of the wall...just a few inches above ear level and have not any issues other than the cats jumping off the back couch when explosions and such going off lol!

LoL poor kitties! picturing it, actually pretty funny biggrin.gif thx for placement info. i plan to use mine more than just the occasional surround track... multi channel sacds and regular tv PL II all speaker mode. so i will definitely get good use from them.

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Master and Commander is a good demo disc for that, first battle on the counter fire.

funny you mention this because literally the sales guy in the Mongolia Home Theatre played this demo for me and that's pretty much what got me into the whole home theatre audio lol!
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funny thing...wife was listening to her ipod via h.m.g. and my sub wasn't active. always wondered why that was so busted out the manual that's been hiding in a storage box but I set the speakers L/R to large instead of small and the sub kicked on. Music actually sounds better now that the L/R are set to Large along with the sub. but have to manually set them back to small during HT.

Maybe I'm reading this incorrectly, but you don't have to have the speakers on LARGE to have the sub on. If you have a Denon, it's usually a separate setting for 2channel listening in the menu's where you can alter the sub on/off and L/R speakers large/small. Maybe you already know this...I don't know. I'm still a little out of it. Been dealing with an Upper Respiratory Infection for the past week. And someone hit my car (w/ 3,4xxx miles on it) on the 23rd, which pissed me off even more. LOOONG holiday season for me lol

I've actually got a similar question regarding AVR's and thought I'd see if we had anyone knowledgeable on them in here. Not a big deal, but I think there's something wrong with my Denon 1713. Sometimes when it's in Dolby
, the front L/R won't work. Well...they work, but they level is WAAAY down. Adding in up to 12dB gain on each doesn't make an audible difference either so something is definitely wrong with it. Connections are good and when I change to STEREO/2-Channel, Dolby's "game" type settings or Dolby's "music" type settings the front L/R work like they should. It's still under warranty, but I don't think A4L has any more of the 1712's so it looks like it'd be the Denon x1000 for the same price. Basically the same it seems, but I lose 2 channels (7.1 to 5.1) and lose a little power (95w to 80w; not audible anyways). If anyone knows these...do you think I should try to get them to fix the 1712 or get the x1000?

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Maybe I'm reading this incorrectly, but you don't have to have the speakers on LARGE to have the sub on. If you have a Denon, it's usually a separate setting for 2channel listening in the menu's where you can alter the sub on/off and L/R speakers large/small. Maybe you already know this...I don't know. I'm still a little out of it. Been dealing with an Upper Respiratory Infection for the past week. And someone hit my car (w/ 3,4xxx miles on it) on the 23rd, which pissed me off even more. LOOONG holiday season for me lol

I've actually got a similar question regarding AVR's and thought I'd see if we had anyone knowledgeable on them in here. Not a big deal, but I think there's something wrong with my Denon 1713. Sometimes when it's in Dolby
, the front L/R won't work. Well...they work, but they level is WAAAY down. Adding in up to 12dB gain on each doesn't make an audible difference either so something is definitely wrong with it. Connections are good and when I change to STEREO/2-Channel, Dolby's "game" type settings or Dolby's "music" type settings the front L/R work like they should. It's still under warranty, but I don't think A4L has any more of the 1712's so it looks like it'd be the Denon x1000 for the same price. Basically the same it seems, but I lose 2 channels (7.1 to 5.1) and lose a little power (95w to 80w; not audible anyways). If anyone knows these...do you think I should try to get them to fix the 1712 or get the x1000?

Definitely sounds like the avr is having issues. Can you send it back with a little bit more cash and maybe get the x2000? That is if you want 7.1. It is more of what you want. Also, that 80wpc is only in 2 channel listening and not all channels driven. The emps have low sensitivity as you know.

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Maybe I'm reading this incorrectly, but you don't have to have the speakers on LARGE to have the sub on.

The large setting just changes the low frequency being sent to your speakers. Generally you want them all set to small if you have a sub. Many setup software will set your speakers to large, but you should change it to small. That way the really low bass won't be sent there, otherwise they are sent full range, 20-20k.
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Definitely sounds like the avr is having issues. Can you send it back with a little bit more cash and maybe get the x2000? That is if you want 7.1. It is more of what you want. Also, that 80wpc is only in 2 channel listening and not all channels driven. The emps have low sensitivity as you know.

Just a thought

I should have said that I don't even need 7 channels really. I if I could use them in a zone 2 setup for the back patio at a later date then that'd be fine, but by that time I'd likely just get a better or external amp. Just funny how the lowly 1712 had more power (still not audible difference, but worth saying), MultEQ XT, 7.1, etc over the 19xx and 211x that didn't. I know weight isn't everything, but the 1712 weights almost 1.5 lbs more than the X2000. Anyways, giving them a call today. I kind of hope they have a few of the 1712's left or that I can get Denon to repair it.


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The large setting just changes the low frequency being sent to your speakers. Generally you want them all set to small if you have a sub. Many setup software will set your speakers to large, but you should change it to small. That way the really low bass won't be sent there, otherwise they are sent full range, 20-20k.

Yeah that's what I was saying. He mentioned that the sub didn't come on and that he had to put the speakers setup to LARGE, then change it back to small for HT.

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okay...sub stays on even after I set the speakers back to small. what I do notice is when the L/R are set to Large music sounds so much better. I'm guessing cause the lower frequencies are still going thru the E55ti's and the sub.
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okay...sub stays on even after I set the speakers back to small. what I do notice is when the L/R are set to Large music sounds so much better. I'm guessing cause the lower frequencies are still going thru the E55ti's and the sub.
That is correct. Also, it is just a personal preference on running the speakers "large". Some people like it and have no phasing issues with the sub, and some don't.

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Yes that's what happening. You could have a null there and the e55's extra bass that's being produced ALONG WITH the sub(s) from a little above your sub crossover (assuming 80hz) down to where the e55's don't play very loudly (50-55hz-ish) is making that null a little less noticeable.

OR

you could just prefer a little more in that region (50hz-100hz...ish)

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okay...sub stays on even after I set the speakers back to small. what I do notice is when the L/R are set to Large music sounds so much better. I'm guessing cause the lower frequencies are still going thru the E55ti's and the sub.

I'm a big fan of user preference. If it sounds better to you, enjoy!

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wondering while watching movies and the L/R set to small are the 3 6.5" woofers even being utilized or just the mid/tweeter?
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They're being utilized. If you have your crossover set at 80hz for the mains (e55's in your case), then you're hearing/using 80hz/whatever slope your receiver uses to 120hz/6db and that SLOOOWLY rolls off to about 400hz-ish/12db. So essentially...


If you're using an 80hz high-pass crossover on your FL and FR

SMALL setting: 80hz-400ish are being covered by the 6.5's
LARGE setting: 50ish-400ish are being covered by the 6.5's

I know there's a lot of speculation about how these towers don't produce much bass and if anyone has ever pull a tape measure out and looked.....the 6.5's aren't really 6.5's from end to end. Maybe including the woofer trim ring, but not from surround to surround. That's likely why they went with 3 of them. They still put out quite a bit and in my opinion it's much more clean sounding than most towers that have a huge midbass hump and sound sloppy

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yup! E55ti's are set to 80hz...I let MCCAC on my VSX1121 do the rest but thanks for all the great info. learn more here everyday!

I will tho when I get home and measure those woofer.

my neighbor tho is running klipsch towers and they are BRIGHT! gotta be the tweeter horn design. reminds me of my friend's DJ speakers. i let him listen to the Emps and he did say they're less fatigue on the ears. his wife complains all the time! I will say that if not for the "B stock" sale Emptek had 1 1/2 years ago I'd probably would have gone Klipsch/Polkies.
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This thread has died down a little lately so I figured I'd bump it back up. Been playing with the e1010i's a little today and figured I'd see what kind of MAX SPL they can reach IN MY ROOM. I didn't push them past the point that I could hear any port chuffing or anything unnatural.

These readings were taken with a Radioshack digial SPL meter and have been corrected using the tables found online for this meter.


crap...these aren't the corrected ones. One sec! tongue.gif
20hz - 82dB (darn lol....gotta pay A LOT to get this and have it be useable)
25hz - 101dB
30hz - 101dB
35hz - 104dB
40hz - 102dB
45hz - 98dB
50hz - 102dB
55hz - 101dB
60hz - 105dB
65hz - 107dB
70hz - 103dB
75hz - 100dB
80hz - 100dB

Keep in mind, this is IN ROOM and at a distance of 11' away at head level (about 2' ish above top sub)


Corrected Values for 1/3 octave frequencies. I'm not sure what the corrections are for frequencies that are NOT 1/3 octave freq. so I can't correct all of numbers above

......hz..........correction..........reading........corrected reading
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Pretty solid db levels down to 25hz!

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Yeah not too bad at all! I'd be anxious to see what they can do in a 12x15' room or something that's a 'smaller' room. Dedicated HT room or something like that. They sound great too, which is a plus. So much smoother and less peaky than the rw-12d

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Yeah not too bad at all! I'd be anxious to see what they can do in a 12x15' room or something that's a 'smaller' room. Dedicated HT room or something like that. They sound great too, which is a plus. So much smoother and less peaky than the rw-12d

Did audyssey set your subs eq? That would be a pretty flat graph on REQ! Really nice.

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I have a hard time believing any sub at that price can compete with the 1010i

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Did audyssey set your subs eq? That would be a pretty flat graph on REQ! Really nice.

Yes that's with MultEQ XT (it EQ's the sub frequencies, but it's not the Denon 'sub EQ' per say)

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Yeah not too bad at all! I'd be anxious to see what they can do in a 12x15' room or something that's a 'smaller' room. Dedicated HT room or something like that. They sound great too, which is a plus. So much smoother and less peaky than the rw-12d

My room is about that size, a little narrower, but I have a 5' opening into the kitchen up front. The dual 1010 work very nicely so far from the one I had. The second fit in better than I thought. It helps that they are so good looking, the wife didn't even criticize. I have one front right of the screen, the other to the back left. I have yet to do anything with the phase, they are both set straight up.

No spl though...

I just noticed that the fake orchid on top of the new sub seems to have done some walking and left some scratches. Live and learn. Any ideas how to buff out the scratches from red burl?
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If it's easily catchable with your fingernail then you might not be able to get all of it out. I can't imagine it's that deep though, so you have a few options. If I was close to you I'd pull out my Griots 6" polisher and fix that right up for ya. Your best bet is to get a polish/glaze that will just fill it and then put a sealant/wax over it. On cars....this does not work as it just fills the scratch and then reappears after your sealant/wax has failed, but in home it should work fine. Not sure if you have anything car detailing related, but I can see if I have anything that'll work and might be able to send you a little sample. Enough to do the job. I have A LOOOT of detailing stuff lol. I had a lot....and then went a little crazy over the Black Friday sales at AutoGeek. Oops. biggrin.gif

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My 1010i sub was thumping so nicely the other day that I ended up having a glass walk off a shelf that sits directly above it (battle for Los Angeles movie, btw).
Question about the "subwoofer crawl" technique for the best placement of the sub. I have done this twice...but just cannot realistically put my sub where it seems to sound best. so it sits in front of me, to the left, next to my left e5Ti speaker. Anyone else have this issue? Sub seemingly sounding best in a place where it really cannot go?

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I haven't done the crawl either because I'm extremely limited in placement

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My 1010i sub was thumping so nicely the other day that I ended up having a glass walk off a shelf that sits directly above it (battle for Los Angeles movie, btw).
Question about the "subwoofer crawl" technique for the best placement of the sub. I have done this twice...but just cannot realistically put my sub where it seems to sound best. so it sits in front of me, to the left, next to my left e5Ti speaker. Anyone else have this issue? Sub seemingly sounding best in a place where it really cannot go?

That is the nature of the beast unfortunately. you can always eq the sub if you want to get into that or not.

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Yeah not too bad at all! I'd be anxious to see what they can do in a 12x15' room or something that's a 'smaller' room. Dedicated HT room or something like that. They sound great too, which is a plus. So much smoother and less peaky than the rw-12d

are you running 2 1010i's?
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are you running 2 1010i's?

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a little jealous of you all who have the 1010i's! thats the only thing left now for me to get. in the mean time, i got the surrounds a couple days ago and they are FANTASTIC! really surprised how nice they are. (i tried to cheap out with the new micas, but returned them.) the e55wi make a world of difference. absolutely love 'em!

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when does emptek run sales on these like the holiday season? i missed out as i was still doing research on upgrades and never knew about these. i want the towers and the big 56 center.

i want to upgrade from the andrew jones first gen pioneers. people say these pioneers are neutral sounding and i like them a lot. people also say these empteks are neutral sounding so im thinking this would be the perfect upgrade for me. planning to keep these speakers for a cool 5 years or so. for surrounds ill just use the pioneer bs21s
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