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post #2701 of 3427 Old 01-23-2014, 05:44 AM
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OUsooner, try this...turn off audyssey buy a set of the pioneer bs-22's at your best buy. Place them as close to your current mains. If your high freqs suddenly appear you know its your EMP's. Spend the $100 for the pair, its the cheapest test. You have a great receiver, if you want more high freq sounds instead of all the receiver stuff, get a set of different designs that offer what you are wanting. To me its like someone trying to get 400 horsepower out of a geo metro. Your issues are within the crossover design and padded down tweeter. Re build a set of crossovers and replace the tweeters. Its all in the crossover. You would seize your current tweets with a newly built crossover, that's the cost savings EMP had to take in building those. Easy solution is maybe a different set, obviously your current purchase isn't cutting it in your room. My opinion here after reading the huge amount of posts desiring more high freqs.

Anytime test gear is involved you have to check everything in the chain before you can say that something is wrong. He has an ID company set of speakers and not DIY, so he should not just go and rebuild the crossover and replace the tweeters. It very well could be the tweeters or crossovers, but we just do not know until diagnostics is completed.


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Anytime test gear is involved you have to check everything in the chain before you can say that something is wrong. He has an ID company set of speakers and not DIY, so he should not just go and rebuild the crossover and replace the tweeters. It very well could be the tweeters or crossovers, but we just do not know until diagnostics is completed.

Yeah I would hold off on rebuilding the crossover, something like that would be very difficult to do... A drop like he is experiencing would likely be very noticeable just by listening, and while the EMPs do rolloff, it is not that severe. As others have said, it could very well be the test gear, and maybe a new soundcard/mic/REW would give him more accurate results.

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OUsooner, try this...turn off audyssey buy a set of the pioneer bs-22's at your best buy. Place them as close to your current mains. If your high freqs suddenly appear you know its your EMP's. Spend the $100 for the pair, its the cheapest test. You have a great receiver, if you want more high freq sounds instead of all the receiver stuff, get a set of different designs that offer what you are wanting. To me its like someone trying to get 400 horsepower out of a geo metro. Your issues are within the crossover design and padded down tweeter. Re build a set of crossovers and replace the tweeters. Its all in the crossover. You would seize your current tweets with a newly built crossover, that's the cost savings EMP had to take in building those. Easy solution is maybe a different set, obviously your current purchase isn't cutting it in your room. My opinion here after reading the huge amount of posts desiring more high freqs.


But I like my Geo Metro! frown.gif

That said I do need a pair of PC speakers. It's really annoying using headphones every time you need to listen to something, want to watch something, etc lol


I'm not sure which tweeter I replaced back then (might have been the center or FR), but I played a 1k, 1.25, 1.6 or 2kHz pink noise tone last night and got noise from my tweeter that definitely wasn't supposed to be there. I got it to go away, with no effect on the SPL, but I could alter its pitch and loudness by tightening the screws the hold the tweeter onto the faceplate. I believe I have another new tweeter so I'm going to put that in tonight and see if my SPL changes from what I measured last night.

I was made aware the Radioshack meter doesn't measure well at all above 10kHz. Not sure how true that is or if there's any correction, but supposedly you have to mod it or get a calibration file for the actual meter for it to be accurate

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I'd replace the speaker wire too if it persists.
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I have had the Pioneer BS22 speakers in my house before, but they ain't welcome back...ever! smile.gif

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I'd replace the speaker wire too if it persists.

I can take the banana plugs off and try the hardwire. I don't think there's anything wrong with the wire though. Monoprice 12awg in-wall w/ techflex around it (not actually in wall so no critters are getting to it or anything)

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I have had the Pioneer BS22 speakers in my house before, but they ain't welcome back...ever! smile.gif

Why's that? Didn't like them

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I just noticed today the es1010i has been discontinued. Must be a new sub on the way from EMP.
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Well I knew of something, but didn't know it would be this soon. I wish they would have told me that or at least mentioned something. mad.gif

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I just noticed today the es1010i has been discontinued. Must be a new sub on the way from EMP.

Perhaps a 1212i. smile.gif
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Then they could claim the tallest sub in the world!
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I have the Pioneer BS22 speakers, from BB, about two years ago side by side with a set of Polk M40s and Infinity Primus p163s. After a couple days, I decide the Polk or the Infinity's were the only speakers I could keep and I kept the Polk. For me the Pioneers were ugly speakers that sounded "muddy" and didn't have good lows or highs, just a lot of midbass. I do wonder, however, what Dennis Murphy's mod of this speaker sounds like...
Funny, forward 2 years and I really don't care much for the Polk m40s and am looking to retire them from my bedroom, music only set up!

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I'm thinking more along the lines of a 12i

If they did do a 1212i though, I'd be mad.gif

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I'd rather see them do a sealed variant, the sub woofer market is just waiting for someone to introduce a sealed sub that is good for music, in the $300-350 range.

And then a ported variant; I think SVS really has the right idea with their PB-1000 and SB-1000.

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I am kind of miffed that EMP just let this sub go. 1, it is a really good sub and I have argued, best 400 and under sub on the market. 2, in the past when they have discontinued, they have offered product for awhile. I was able to pick up the e5Ti towers for 250/pr as B stock, when really they weren't B stock at all, just discontinued. So I guess this changes my plan of picking up a second 1010i at some point!

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Well I guess luckily I decided on SVS PB1000s

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Welp...with a 1yr on the amp I hope it doesn't **** the bed after 1 year. I wonder if there are any amps that are the same size as the plate amp used on the e1010i. Be pretty cool to pick up a bigger amp (500-750w or something) and a pair of nice 10's that model nicely in the amount of airspace and port tuning that the e1010i uses. Heck of an enclosure to start with if anything goes wrong

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Welp...with a 1yr on the amp I hope it doesn't **** the bed after 1 year. I wonder if there are any amps that are the same size as the plate amp used on the e1010i. Be pretty cool to pick up a bigger amp (500-750w or something) and a pair of nice 10's that model nicely in the amount of airspace and port tuning that the e1010i uses. Heck of an enclosure to start with if anything goes wrong

Pretty sure RBH has a similar sub, but likley with a better amp and drivers, could be a possible source for replacements/upgrades.

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I would assume that EMP is trying to keep its product totals low and felt having two 10 inch subs was redundant.

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wow...subs already discontinued? didn't they just release them a year ago? was interested in them when they first came out.
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I haven't heard the 10i sub... But I cannot believe it is anywhere near as good as the dual sub!
I would love to see a 12 inch sub with a bigger amp, but hopefully it will blend with the 1010i!

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what about 1212i? 2 12" instead of 2 10's? that would be sweet!
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what about 1212i? 2 12" instead of 2 10's? that would be sweet!

I would buy one!

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I don't think that's happening. I'd put my money on (hint hint) a single 12

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I don't think that's happening. I'd put my money on (hint hint) a single 12
I could see them sliming the box down height wise & widening it a bit & going that route. Ported or sealed?

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Probably ported. Most of the market is looking for output..sadly. And with a sealed setup, you're going to need A LOT more power with the lower efficiencies of the design. It just makes more sense, for this price range, to do a ported setup.

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I might as well ask the question in here to get a more pointed answer. I'll be placing an order for the e55Ti towers and e56Ci center in the next few days and want to know how well the SVS PB1000 or SVS PB12-NSD complements the EMP setup? What other non-EMP subs are you guys running that works well for you? I'm going to hold off on surrounds due to the e5Bi being out of stock and the e55Wi being out of my price range.


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Either of those choices is good, I would say the new PB2000 is probably worth the little extra over the PB12-NSD. Another good step up from the PB-1000 is the Rythmik LV12R, and up from that the HSU VTF3-MK4. All of these are fantastic subs, and will complement the EMPs very well.

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Either of those choices is good, I would say the new PB2000 is probably worth the little extra over the PB12-NSD. Another good step up from the PB-1000 is the Rythmik LV12R, and up from that the HSU VTF3-MK4. All of these are fantastic subs, and will complement the EMPs very well.

The PB2000 is what I'm leaning towards, I only left it out because it was just released and didn't think there would be many that have it yet. I'll do some digging into the Rhythmik and HSU, thanks!


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It is an impressive sub (PB2000), and competes with the PSA VX15 and VTF3-MK4. I would probably go with the SVS, they have the best customer service, a 5 year warranty, and you get to try it free for 45 days.

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