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I'm helping my parents setup a home theater room and would like some help choosing speakers. We already bought some Klipsch RF-25 off woot for $500. right now they are hooked up to a really old kenwood amp that I am pretty sure they do not do a justice to the speakers. They don't wanna spend a ton on more speakers to make a 5.1 setup. I went to circuit city yesterday and saw some Klipsh b-2's for $175 for a pair that I thought would make good surrounds. Are they gonna sound ok with the RF-25's? Also they had a Onkyo TX-SR606 that I was thinking of getting which was $350. I might bump up to the 706 if its necessary. The room is about 10'X20'. Is a 12" sub too big for a room that size? Any help is much appreciated.
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Good choices.

You don't need to match the surrounds to the fronts if you mainly watch movies.

The 606 will be enough to drive them to nice levels, bump up to the 706 if you need the additional features on the receiver. Otherwise stay with the 606.

As for your subwoofer question, you can never had enough too much sub. You can always turn it down if you want to. Look into internet-direct (ID) subwoofers unless Circuit City is having a really good sale on some subwoofers.

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Thanks for the input blued888. Is a down firing sub better then a regular sub? Is it worth it to stick with a Klipsch sub? Circuit city really only had klipsch speakers and polk ones. All the prices are going down by 5-10% an employee said on Thursday so I think thats when I will be buying all the speakers and receivers. right now I think the sub prices were on par with the internet but after the price drop it will be worth it even with tax. Now the big decision is whether I should get 12inch or 10inch sub. Any thoughts?
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Also what do you think of the Klipsch KSW-10? Enough for a 10'x20' room?
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how much do you have for your subwoofer?
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As much as I can get out of my parents. If its a good deal they will go for it but at most $325. I am not really an audiophile so it doesn't have to be a perfect reproduction but I would like it to be good. Do I want to keep my speakers in the Klipsch family or does that not matter. The main ones I am looking at are the KSW-10 and KSW-12 which they had both at circuit city and they were becoming good deals.
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If you can spare $325 for a subwoofer I would suggest getting the eD A2-300.

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I just might. Does anyone else have an opinion? I would like to be as informed as possible. Thanks for all the help.
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Could a TX-SR606 handle Bi-amping the RF-25's? Does it even do anything?
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I just might. Does anyone else have an opinion? I would like to be as informed as possible. Thanks for all the help.

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Could a TX-SR606 handle Bi-amping the RF-25's? Does it even do anything?

Do your parents want to bring down the house, or they just want to enjoy movies at reasonable levels? If they are like mine they just want to enjoy at reasonable levels, but keeping the quality and integrity of sound.

For sub I would consider an STF-2, or even an STF-1 from HSU, don't expect the room to shake, but expect them to sound precise and to have sufficient boom without annoying your parents.

As for bi-amp, stay away from it. If by any chance your parents have to move the speakers for any reason (ie. cleaning) it's easier to disconnect and connect two cables, not four. Also, with the 606 bi-amping will not bring any noticeable sound improvement to the party. If you still insist the receiver IOM should say how to do bi-amping, if it doesn't it is not intended for bi-amping.
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And if you don't need lossless decoding in the receiver (i.e. the Blu-ray player will do it, like a PS3) then I'd consider saving some money and getting a Marantz sr4002 from accessories4less.

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And if you don't need lossless decoding in the receiver (i.e. the Blu-ray player will do it, like a PS3) then I'd consider saving some money and getting a Marantz sr4002 from accessories4less.

5002 is better, at same price or less...
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So I am not looking at making the house shake and I am not exactly looking for a perfect reproduction just a faithful one. Is the KSW-10 just bad? So should I go $200 for the KSW-10 or $300 the STF-1? What justifies the $100?
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5002 is better, at same price or less...

A refurb 4002 is $260 and a refurb 5002 is $320. Unless you know of somewhere other than a4l to get them at a deal.

The 12V trigger if you know you want an external amp is one thing, but otherwise that $60 could go to the speaker budget.

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About the Marantz. It looks good and it has the same power rating as the TX-SR606 but it looks like it doesn't upscale anything which I was kinda looking forward too but it is not really a deal breaker. But I do like that it has pre-outs which the 606 does not. Does Bi-amping supply more power to a speaker if it is a little under powered?
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About the Marantz. It looks good and it has the same power rating as the TX-SR606 but it looks like it doesn't upscale anything which I was kinda looking forward too but it is not really a deal breaker. But I do like that it has pre-outs which the 606 does not. Does Bi-amping supply more power to a speaker if it is a little under powered?

What source are you hoping to have your receiver upscale?

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No, when you passively bi-amp the power is not at all additive. Nowhere near it. The effective increase may be 10%. So, that is a bad idea. If you want to get them more power, a new amp for your front channels is a better idea.


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Upscaling things like a dvd player through hdmi to a 720p projector. So should I go for the Marantz because it has the pre-outs so I can add another amp for the front channels?
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Upscaling things like a dvd player through hdmi to a 720p projector. So should I go for the Marantz because it has the pre-outs so I can add another amp for the front channels?

Since you will likely get a Blu-ray player, just make sure it has good upscaling for your SD DVDs.

You aren't likely to need more power than your receiver has, but if you do then pre-outs gives you a path (so does buying a new receiver).

Other than I'm biased towards Marantz (just like others are biased towards Onkyo or Denon or Pioneer or Yamaha), going for the sr4002 refurb at $260 save some money for the speakers from the budget.

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All this info has been great and I really appreciate it. My last questions are, what are the main reasons for not getting a KSW-10? What do you think about my setup? Marantz SR4002 , RF-25 (already own), 2x Klipsch B-2 (on sale at circuit city), Cheapest Klipsch RF-xx series center channel, KSW-10 and monoprice 12AWG Enhanced Loud Oxygen-Free Copper Speaker Wire. Suggestions? Thank so much.
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what are the main reasons for not getting a KSW-10?

Generally, companies that just make subs tend to provide better bang-for-the-buck then something that comes from a speaker company. Not carved in stone, but a reasonably true generality.


As to the rest, I haven't listened to much Klipsch so I couldn't say. But if you have and like them, then it is a good system. It's all about getting some suggestions (note, they are all just suggestions) and then listening to some stuff your self and going "yeah, I want that in MY house" and getting it and enjoying it (while planning the next upgrade).

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