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I was looking into weather or not there is one speaker (perhaps a wide bar) that is made to produce the sound for a left, right and center speaker. I dont want a 5 channel soundbar, only a 3.

Does anyone know the answer to this?

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Yes, they are called "Sound Bars" or "Soundbars". This will help you in your search. Yamaha, Sony, make them definitely. Other companies may also (perhaps HSU Research).

Edit: Then what ARE you talking about? There is no way that a mono source can output stereo/multichannel. That is physically impossible. The only way that would work is that your processor downmixes the stereo/multichannel information into mono first.

I don't understand why a soundbar couldn't fulfill your need for an integrated front stage sound system. Can you elaborate your requirements further?
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sorry, my post is contradictory. I dont want a 5 channel soundbar, only a 3. I probably should have started with that. Sorry.

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sorry, my post is contradictory. I dont want a 5 channel soundbar, only a 3. I probably should have started with that. Sorry.

I'm not familiar with soundbars, but could you not just hook up the front 3 outputs to the soundbar and the other 2 to surround speakers (or none, if you choose).
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Yes there are. I know Pinnacle, Atlantic Technology, etc... make them. AT I have had very good luck with and they have a couple models (depending on overall size you want).
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Mirage, Pinnacle and Atlantic Technology all make 3.0 (LCR) soundbars. There may be others also.

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I don't see why this would be a good idea, but I assume you have space problems that precludes you from having the front three speakers, while you have space for the back surrounds?

In that case, you could look into getting something like the B&W Zeppelin and run the FL, C, and FR channels into it with your pre/pro set on "phantom center". The Zeppelin doesn't have RCA inputs, rather it only has a stereo 3.5mm mini jack for auxiliary, so you would need to get a RCA-to-mini jack cable/adapter to run the line-out for the FL and FR channels from your pre/pro.

You could also get a soundbar, but generally soundbars use digital processing (i.e. Dolby Pro-Logic II) to take stereo signals (which it would be if you were running "phantom center" from your pre/pro and not include the surround channels) and "convert" them to "surround sound". So it would be odd if you were getting a "surround" soundstage from your front three channels in addition to the actual surrounds channels. I've never heard such a set-up so I don't know what it would actually sound like, but generally the "surround" effects of soundbars don't work well, especially if you don't have an ideal room for it, so it may not matter.
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Well they are not as ideal as separate speakers for sure. Ideally the LR should be a certain distance apart relative to your seating position. But, sometimes room layouts don't allow for this (as an installer I can tell you it does happen sometimes). In these cases, the 3 in 1 speakers will work (and they blow away any internal TV speakers).
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Well these look like the ideal solution for what the OP wants. Actual one enclosure that houses three speakers and are designed to take the FL, C, and FR channels. Didn't know these existed, but seems like a pretty good idea for certain situations.
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Indeed...definitely more limited in use, but they have their place for sure.
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If you sit fairly close to a flat panel TV, these work quite well. I've helped 2 friends set up these LCR soundbars, (the Mirage and the Pinnacle systems.) The seating for both was ~8' away from the display. The separation was actually quite good at this distance.

I have AT speakers, and I have no doubt that the AT iteration will work equally well. Jason is also very easy to work with!

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Thanks Craig for the kind words!
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Check out the Paradigm Millenia Trio. I am currently using it in a bedroom and it's impressive for what it is.
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Thanks guys. I really appreciate the info. The tv is in a place where I cant put left and right speakers just as you'all indicated.

Excellent replys!

Thanks again.

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Most welcome!
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I have a TRIAD LCR 3.0. It has exactly what you are asking about. All 3 sets of MTM drivers in one cabinet mounted under my plasma powered by a Onkyo 605. huge WAF and produces EXCELLENT sound while watching TV. I would say the speakers are very accurate for music but dont have a ton of separation for a big sound stage.
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Triad indeed is another option (look under Triad Onwall Mini LCR 3.0).
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Thanks for all the links. I may eventually look into one of these for my bedroom where true surround isn't a necessity.

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The nice thing about the Triad is that they can make the speaker as wide as you need it as long as it's wider than 42". For a small fee they can make it larger by 1/4" lengths and also have it painted to match anything you like. They paint is a free of charge from Triad.


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The nice thing about the Triad is that they can make the speaker as wide as you need it as long as it's wider than 42". For a small fee they can make it larger by 1/4" lengths and also have it painted to match anything you like. They paint is a free of charge from Triad.

Yes indeed...they are one of the only truly "custom" speaker companies...
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The nice thing about the Triad is that they can make the speaker as wide as you need it as long as it's wider than 42". For a small fee they can make it larger by 1/4" lengths and also have it painted to match anything you like. They paint is a free of charge from Triad.

I didn't know anyone would do this. That's awesome, but I bet it's expensive. The only one I knew of prior to this thread is the one from Mirage.

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leonspeakers.com

Never heard them, but I remember reading a good review of their LCR sound bar recently. Sound and Vision I think.
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There was a thread on the Paradigm version of this product recently.
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yes, it is an expensive speaker 1.5k new. TRIAD uses excellent drivers. I found mine used on fleabay, and got a deal cause the lister had no idea about what he was selling. Before I found this I was looking at the Mirage Uni-theater.
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leonspeakers.com

Never heard them, but I remember reading a good review of their LCR sound bar recently. Sound and Vision I think.

Not a great response curve, particularly at the price.
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Triad indeed is another option (look under Triad Onwall Mini LCR 3.0).

Thanks, Jason. The OnWall Mini LCR 3.0 is $1,500 in any color you want (we custom match and build to order), and for an additional $350, we'll match the width of the speaker to your video display, within 1/4". We just changed the grill on the 3.0, and it looks better.

There's also a $3,000 OnWall Mini LCR 3.0 SE (Special Edition) that uses smaller versions of our Gold LCR drivers.

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Thanks, Jason. The OnWall Mini LCR 3.0 is $1,500 in any color you want (we custom match and build to order), and for an additional $350, we'll match the width of the speaker to your video display, within 1/4". We just changed the grill on the 3.0, and it looks better.

There's also a $3,000 OnWall Mini LCR 3.0 SE (Special Edition) that uses smaller versions of our Gold LCR drivers.

Thanks Paul!

Excellent on the $350...very reasonable considering that makes each one totally custom!
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