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Hello, I am pretty much a noob to home theater systems, especially compared to some of the audiophiles on this forum, so I wanted some input on this.

Between getting the Energy Take Classics + a $500 receiver ( leaning towards an Onkyo TX-SR606 ) or an Onkyo HT-S9100THX, which would be a better value. This would be used primarily for gaming (360, PS3) and watching Sports, with the occasional Blu-Ray movie. The room being used is mid size-ish (don't know if this makes a difference). Hopefully either would be noticeably better than the speakers in my Mitsub WD 57731.

Any comments/input would be greatly appreciated.
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the energy take and onkyo 606 will be a better value, my biggest reason is upgradeable. if u buy separates you can upgrade separate. also while onkyo makes the best htib it still cant compaire to the options or power the 606 will give you.

yes htib lie about the watt.

my only change would be get an energy take classic 5.0 for $200 and than use that $200 for a better sub like a bic h100, or spend the 350 for an ed a2-300. ive set up the take classic and while great the sub is lacking.
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I'd say these speakers would be a better choice than the take classic due to their larger size.
http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/..._84__0_0_0_-1/

They even have a package with a Yamaha 465 receiver.
http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/..._84__0_0_0_-1/

Or buy the 5.0 set and add your own sub.
http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/..._84__0_0_0_-1/

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energy c 50 is nice but he needs a sub and it sounds like hes on a $900 budget
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The 5.1 c-series look appealing, is/should the audio quality be comparable to that of the Take classics, and what about this Yamahah RX-V465 Receiver.
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Yeah, I'm at aprox 900 budget, although the package afrogt linked to had both the c-series (w sub), and the yamahah for 710, although I've not heard of the website before, assume they are reputable.
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Yeah, I'm at aprox 900 budget, although the package afrogt linked to had both the c-series (w sub), and the yamahah for 710, although I've not heard of the website before, assume they are reputable.

wwstereo.com is VERY reputable and is an authorized Energy dealer.
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So the question for me now is, would the Energy 5.1 C50's with the Yamaha RX-V465 receiver for 710 be a better value than then the aforementioned systems
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energy c 50 is nice but he needs a sub and it sounds like hes on a $900 budget

Doesn't that link show the C-50's for the front and rear and a center channel and sub for 400 bucks or am I missing something?

Sounds like a nice package.
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ok since your willing to budge on the reciever ill recommend
onkyo 507 344
energy take classic 5.0 200
ed a2-300 350

$900 price, the biggest difference in these 2 will be the sub. the energy c50s are a bigger speaker but the sub is a 100 watt 8 inch hybrid, whereass the ed is a 12 inch 200 watt sub. in movies and xbox i think your notice the bass output alot more than the larger energy c50's.

if you have a small room the energy sub could work but knowing the take classics work very well i think the bass shouldnt be overlooked.
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ok since your willing to budge on the reciever ill recommend
onkyo 507 344
energy take classic 5.0 200
ed a2-300 350

$900 price, the biggest difference in these 2 will be the sub. the energy c50s are a bigger speaker but the sub is a 100 watt 8 inch hybrid, whereass the ed is a 12 inch 200 watt sub. in movies and xbox i think your notice the bass output alot more than the larger energy c50's.

if you have a small room the energy sub could work but knowing the take classics work very well i think the bass shouldnt be overlooked.

Hey there, since you were just here revisiting do you think you could answer my question since it was directed at you?

You were implying that the speakers in the link were over 900 bucks, but they are listed at 400.
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No, he's implying that $344 + $200 + $350 = $900. Actually its $894 but that is basically $900. He's adding the cost of the receiver, speakers and subwoofer.

onkyo 507 344
energy take classic 5.0 200
ed a2-300 350

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Total $900

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No, he's implying that $344 + $200 + $350 = $900. Actually its $894 but that is basically $900. He's adding the cost of the receiver, speakers and subwoofer.

onkyo 507 344
energy take classic 5.0 200
ed a2-300 350

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Total $900

That's a different setup then the one earlier in the thread. I'm talking about the post by afrogt and then the one right after it by Ceiph.
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My two cents. I have the onkyo ht-s9100thx. My room is 13X14. This was my first real home theater. I got it back in November and I tweaked on it for months. It sounds really good in movies. Decent in music. The onkyo sub sounds pretty good but I decided to upgrade because as we all know along with home theater everyone seems to get upgradeitis. I upgraded to the new front firing elemental designs a3-300. This took the bass to a whole different level. Personally I think most people would be happy with the 9100 as long as they tweak it a bit. It sounds really good in games from the ps3 and on movies. The wattage may be exaggerated a bit but it's plenty load in my room and it's loaded with features. I do have the dreaded upgradeitis and have been looking at the Polk tsi500's for the front along with a matching center though. I'm pretty tight on space right now or I would have done it already. Waiting for my house to sell. I'm sure withing a year or two I'll replace the receiver. Anyway if you want to spend $1000 or a little less and really think you wont upgrade I think the 9100 package is the way to go. You can go straight into a 7.1 system that sounds pretty good. If you get the 9100 or something like the onkyo 507 and the energy take but you think you always want something bigger and better just wait and save a little more money and start out bigger with like an onkyo 806 and piece the rest together with what you really like over time.

Just my 2 cents.
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This system would probably be permanent, I'm going off to college soon, and my parents just want a system to have, not worrying about upgrading. So as I see it there are still three strong options for me. The Take Classics+ Onkyo 606 for 900, The HT-S9100thx for 900, or that packaged deal afrogt originally posted (middle link) with 5.1 c-50's and a yamaha RX-V465 Receiver for 710. Just measuring the room is 15x14, although, there is a room that is connected (no doors just the ceiling lowers) to that the sound would leak, doubles the length basically. Anyways, any more suggestions would still be appreciated.
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Another option:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/htpackage.php
3 x A6-5T5-MTM speakers for left, right and center fronts
2 x A3-5TC surrounds
1 x A2-250 sub
Package total = $671.50 shipped to your door (I would also call eD and see how much more they would charge you if you ordered the A2-300 sub with this package)

That would leave you over $300 for a receiver. Something like this would be more than enough IMHO:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...neer-vsx-819hk

This receiver has good output and low distorition, supports the advanced audio codecs like Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD-MA (for Blu-Ray) has auto calibration, etc. And it is under $300
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Does anyone know if Sony makes a comparable quality HTIB set or just speakers to the 9100THX, or other sets I have listed, or would it be less of a value. Just wondering, we're big on Sony products.
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Another option:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/htpackage.php
3 x A6-5T5-MTM speakers for left, right and center fronts
2 x A3-5TC surrounds
1 x A2-250 sub
Package total = $671.50 shipped to your door (I would also call eD and see how much more they would charge you if you ordered the A2-300 sub with this package)

That would leave you over $300 for a receiver. Something like this would be more than enough IMHO:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...neer-vsx-819hk

This receiver has good output and low distorition, supports the advanced audio codecs like Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD-MA (for Blu-Ray) has auto calibration, etc. And it is under $300

That's a nice speaker package, and the sub upgrade would make it better.

Since he has a PS3 he doesn't need lossless decoding in the receiver, only the ability to receive PCM over HDMI.

Some refurbed Marantz at accessories4less would fit the bill (sr4002 at $300 refurb, $350 new, or sr6001refurbed at $350).

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Does anyone know if Sony makes a comparable quality HTIB set or just speakers to the 9100THX, or other sets I have listed, or would it be less of a value. Just wondering, we're big on Sony products.

They really don't. I would recommend staying away from Sony HTIB speakers and Sony receivers as well. I would take the Energy speakers anyday over the Sony speakers
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Another option:
http://www.edesignaudio.com/htpackage.php
3 x A6-5T5-MTM speakers for left, right and center fronts
2 x A3-5TC surrounds
1 x A2-250 sub
Package total = $671.50 shipped to your door (I would also call eD and see how much more they would charge you if you ordered the A2-300 sub with this package)

That would leave you over $300 for a receiver. Something like this would be more than enough IMHO:
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...neer-vsx-819hk

This receiver has good output and low distorition, supports the advanced audio codecs like Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD-MA (for Blu-Ray) has auto calibration, etc. And it is under $300

Sorry, I'm not familiar with this brand, again my noobiness, is this made by Elemental Designs, and again, be comparable to the energy set.
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That's a nice speaker package, and the sub upgrade would make it better.

Since he has a PS3 he doesn't need lossless decoding in the receiver, only the ability to receive PCM over HDMI.

Some refurbed Marantz at accessories4less would fit the bill (sr4002 at $300 refurb, $350 new, or sr6001refurbed at $350).

An Onkyo 507 will do the same thing for well under that. Check it out. And the 506 is even cheaper and is a 7 channel receiver, unlike the 507 which is only 5 channel. It cannot do audio over HDMI, however. An optical or coax connection would be needed.

The 506 isn't a bad unit at all. I've owned one for several months and like the sound quality. I'm selling to to a nephew.

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The 506 would make no sense for him. If going this far, go to the HD audio codecs for very little money more. The 507 as has Audyssey Dynamic Volume which I would love to have (it kills loud commercials so you aren't diving for the remote to turn it down). I would go with this unit over the others for features and Onkyo usually has the highest 5 channels driven power numbers. The Energy need power (85 db).

Go with the Energy package and sub upgrade. The only person to buy the Onkyo HTiB is upgrading all of it 7 months after purchase.

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Sorry, I'm not familiar with this brand, again my noobiness, is this made by Elemental Designs, and again, be comparable to the energy set.

Yes, it is Elemental Designs. They are an internet direct company that has been making car speakers for quite a long time, and have been making home theater speakers and subs for several years now. Typically you will get a better speaker for your money via internet direct as these companies have low overheard, little marketing, and no middle man

First of all the Energy Take speakers are highly regarded for their size to performance and price. But they are small (satellite sized) speakers and will have limitations. The eD speakers are larger and will have more bass and will also sound a little more neutral as they use a silk doom tweeter vs the aluminum tweeter found in the Take Classic speakers.

How big is the room these speakers and receiver will be going in (ie length, width, height).
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Hey there, since you were just here revisiting do you think you could answer my question since it was directed at you?

You were implying that the speakers in the link were over 900 bucks, but they are listed at 400.

i saw the bottom link only when i pointed out the $900, than after you said something i saw the top link. as i said in my post its a nice set up but i would prefer a better sub and the take speakers over a mediocre sub and the nicer c50 speakers.

and as it was also pointed out i recommended the 507 due to its advance features for a low price. audessey and audio over hdmi.
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http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Take-Cl.../dp/B0021L9BME take 5.0 this way you can get a better sub
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The 506 would make no sense for him. If going this far, go to the HD audio codecs for very little money more.

Paying extra money for the codecs is what makes no sense.

He has a PS3 which decodes internally and send PCM - it can not bitstream so the receiver in this setup would never decode so the capability is worth $0 more than a receiver without.

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Yes, it is Elemental Designs. They are an internet direct company that has been making car speakers for quite a long time, and have been making home theater speakers and subs for several years now. Typically you will get a better speaker for your money via internet direct as these companies have low overheard, little marketing, and no middle man

First of all the Energy Take speakers are highly regarded for their size to performance and price. But they are small (satellite sized) speakers and will have limitations. The eD speakers are larger and will have more bass and will also sound a little more neutral as they use a silk doom tweeter vs the aluminum tweeter found in the Take Classic speakers.

How big is the room these speakers and receiver will be going in (ie length, width, height).

The room is ~ 14 feet wide by 15 feet length (although there is a room that is openly connected that would increase the length to 30 feet) imagine a theater room that is 15 feet than one step up with no barriers is another 15 foot long pantry. The ceiling is ~10 feet high.
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From you guys it sounds like that energy does not make good subs, or at least the ones included with the Take Classics and the C-50's, is this true, what's wrong/not good about them.
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go with the larger C-50 setup as afrogt suggested above, they will have a much fuller midrange and allow you to set your receiver's crossover lower.

$250 for the C-50 five speaker pack:
http://www.wwstereo.com/#/ecommerce/..._84__0_0_0_-1/

then add sub + receiver for the rest of your budget.

Energy makes good subs, but the point is that you can get a LOT more for your money. An 8" sub is not really adequate for HT use, those 8-inchers that come with 5.1 speaker packages like the Take Classic are meant for small rooms and low expectations. For a little more than $200 you can get a PA-120 sub which is 50+ lbs and has a 12" woofer and will wipe the floor with a budget 8-inch sub.

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What's the best sub I can get with the C-50's, PA-120 sounds good, is that kind of the safe bet for this price range
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