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Hey guys, posted this over at Seaton but should have posted here as well.
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...c-feet-7145577

I'm looking to upgrade to more capable speakers for my new home which I'm moving into next year. It will have a 4700 cubic foot family room open to the kitchen as well. LP is likely to be 14-16 feet from the mains. WAF is a huge concern so the 12c's are out of the question. Subs will be my dual opposed diys.

Have a chance to get a set of Cat8s for LCR. Currently own Paradigm Sig S2s and signature center in a small 1700 cubic foot room and they sound quite nice albeit strain at reference levels. Crossed at 120hz.

HT/Music is 80/20,but I still want speakers that sound great when I do want to pop in some two channel. If it matters, current pre is an Integra 80.3.

Would love your thoughts on it? Going to audition some 12's today (8s are used as rears in the setup I'm going to see). But different size of room. Thx
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Hey guys, posted this over at Seaton but should have posted here as well.
http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...c-feet-7145577

I'm looking to upgrade to more capable speakers for my new home which I'm moving into next year. It will have a 4700 cubic foot family room open to the kitchen as well. LP is likely to be 14-16 feet from the mains. WAF is a huge concern so the 12c's are out of the question. Subs will be my dual opposed diys.

Have a chance to get a set of Cat8s for LCR. Currently own Paradigm Sig S2s and signature center in a small 1700 cubic foot room and they sound quite nice albeit strain at reference levels. Crossed at 120hz.

HT/Music is 80/20,but I still want speakers that sound great when I do want to pop in some two channel. If it matters, current pre is an Integra 80.3.

Would love your thoughts on it? Going to audition some 12's today (8s are used as rears in the setup I'm going to see). But different size of room. Thx
My thoughts are that the 12's are beautiful speakers with a fit and finish 2nd to none IMO. With matching stands they should have a high WAF.

Also, IMO the 8's are not large enough for effortless reference level volume at 16 ft. listening position in a 4500sf room. You'll likely be pushing their limits. But that's just my opinion
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Isn't the difference in max SPL between the 12C and 8C roughly 3 dB? That doesn't seem like a whole lot, unless I am wrong or missing something.
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In a room that size, you are definitely going to want the 12C's. Otherwise, you may purchase the 8C's and determine for yourself that you need the 12C's after all. Then you can utilize the 8C's as surrounds


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My thoughts are that the 12's are beautiful speakers with a fit and finish 2nd to none IMO. With matching stands they should have a high WAF.

Also, IMO the 8's are not large enough for effortless reference level volume at 16 ft. listening position in a 4500sf room. You'll likely be pushing their limits. But that's just my opinion
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Looks like another late night in front of these speakers -- another night of tears in my eyes, lol. Tonight I was listening to a bunch of classic stuff that I know my dad used to love and I just kept wishing he could be here to hear them with me. Unfortunately, he passed a few years back; this doesn't help with the tears, lol.

As for WAF -- I can't speak to that, I hate to tell people what they'd want to accept into their homes, but I can say the finish on these is really quite nice. They are certainly not small, but in a big enough room, I don't think they are overwhelming. I'm sure my wife would disagree, but she understands (or at least tolerates, lol) my passion for sound. I suppose I'm lucky, just don't tell her, I don't need her head swelling up, lol.
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You are correct. They do need lots of room treatment.***
Why? They're moderately wide controlled directivity speakers (~100º midrange pattern) speakers, so they require less room mutiliation than speakers with wider directivity.

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Why? They're moderately wide controlled directivity speakers (~100º midrange pattern) speakers, so they require less room mutiliation than speakers with wider directivity.
I've had them in rooms with less and more treatment, and more sounded much better. More is also the correct kind of treatment. Every piece in my room, except on the ceiling, it either pure diffusive or bass absorptive and mid/high diffusive

Based upon your use of the word "mutilation", you are not a big fan of room treatment.

As most of us know, but contrary to what some believe, this hobby is about preference and not reference.

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As most of us know, but contrary to what some believe, this hobby is about preference and not reference.
My point seems to have eluded you, but it was simply that, due to their directivity, room mutilation will lead to smaller differences with the Cats than such things would with more conventional 'hifi" speakers.

Simply because their directivity in the midband is (a) narrower and (b) more consistent.

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My point seems to have eluded you, but it was simply that, due to their directivity, room mutilation will lead to smaller differences with the Cats than such things would with more conventional 'hifi" speakers.

Simply because their directivity in the midband is (a) narrower and (b) more consistent.
Your point most certainly did not "elude" me. I underdstood perfectly and my answer remains the same.

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Here's a quick video of my theater room and my Seaton Sound system I just took. I just got a Zoom H4n sound recorder and wanted to try it out, figured this would be a good way to test it out. Sorry if there are some parts were the audio and video aren't completely in sync. The software I used to edit the video made it impossible to get the audio perfectly in sync. The adjustments just weren't that precise.

Here's the vid. Youtube is giving me problems with Safari, I can't figure out why the video came out so laggy and grainy.

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Mark just announced a year end sale for the Submersives

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Had a chance to hear forum member Pennynike1's system today. He has the Cat12's as LCR and 4 mackies as surround, plus 4 Terraformas. He just moved into the house so the basement isn't finished and the speakers still sounded great! The bass integration was already really good. Played some music I am very familiar with and the sound was very tight with tons of headroom. Movie clips were really good too.

Seaton makes some great products and Alex is putting together one hell of a theater setup. Going to be EPIC.

Pre-Pro: Emotiva XMC-1, DSP: Mini DSP 2x4 balanced
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Speakers: JTR Noesis 212HT (LCR), JTR Slant 8's (surrounds), 3 Orbit Shifter LFU's
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My 2 channel stuff is up for sale and as soon as it sells I will be joining the Seaton family.
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My 2 channel stuff is up for sale and as soon as it sells I will be joining the Seaton family.

I thought you were going to get the JBL M2's?
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I thought you were going to get the JBL M2's?
Since these speakers will ultimately go to the HT system I figured why spend all the $$ on a full range speaker, like the M2. I can use the Cat12's in full range in my family room till the basement is completed and then put the Cats to use with my subs.


I've always wanted the Cats and should have already bought them by now. Part of the fun for me (and many on here as well) is trying out different components/speakers. Should the Cats not work out the M2's will always be there.
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Since these speakers will ultimately go to the HT system I figured why spend all the $$ on a full range speaker, like the M2. I can use the Cat12's in full range in my family room till the basement is completed and then put the Cats to use with my subs.


I've always wanted the Cats and should have already bought them by now. Part of the fun for me (and many on here as well) is trying out different components/speakers. Should the Cats not work out the M2's will always be there.
Very true, I still can't believe that you're selling you basically brand new Legacy's. Taking a lose like that has to be a tough pill to swallow.
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Very true, I still can't believe that you're selling you basically brand new Legacy's. Taking a lose like that has to be a tough pill to swallow.
I know, it's a great setup with the Emotiva mono block amps but it's just not something i could see being used in a my HT setup.

My goal in HT is to feel like I'm front row at a concert and hopefully the Cat12's as LCR will do that with some help from the subs. Not sure how the Cat12's will compare to the Legacy for the weeks or months they be used in a 2 channel setup in the family room but with the ultimate goal being HT use it should work out fine.
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Glad you liked it Lance!

Glad you liked what you heard @lbrown105 and I had a good time last weekend showing off the system a bit. Having the electrician pay me a day-long visit on Wednesday to give me dedicated lines. He has been extremely busy so I was ecstatic to hear that he is finally available. That will allow me to really cut loose! I was definitely getting some voltage lag with the electrical: lights would flicker and my TV would turn off during heavy bass scenes on occasion.


I now need to enter the territory of acoustical treatments. It should be educational


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Had a chance to hear forum member Pennynike1's system today. He has the Cat12's as LCR and 4 mackies as surround, plus 4 Terraformas. He just moved into the house so the basement isn't finished and the speakers still sounded great! The bass integration was already really good. Played some music I am very familiar with and the sound was very tight with tons of headroom. Movie clips were really good too.

Seaton makes some great products and Alex is putting together one hell of a theater setup. Going to be EPIC.
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Glad you liked what you heard @lbrown105 and I had a good time last weekend showing off the system a bit. Having the electrician pay me a day-long visit on Wednesday to give me dedicated lines. He has been extremely busy so I was ecstatic to hear that he is finally available. That will allow me to really cut loose! I was definitely getting some voltage lag with the electrical: lights would flicker and my TV would turn off during heavy bass scenes on occasion.


I now need to enter the territory of acoustical treatments. It should be educational
Alex I wish I could hear your system unleashed!!!...lol


Cat 12's for LCR's and four Terraform subs would literally be insane!
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thanks joe

Thanks Joe! It has been quite the journey going from apartment to house and trying to get everything set up. My room is still raw, but as speakers and components trickle in, it becomes more difficult not to think about movies when away from home.

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Cat 12's for LCR's and four Terraform subs would literally be insane!
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I posted this in the seaton forum as well for reference

http://www.seaton-sound-forum.com/po...post1285432948

I have long term plans (years from now) for a large dedicated theater with 2 rows, the 2nd row at approx. 18-20ft (5000-6000 cu ft.)

In a perfect world I would get the cat 12c for LCR and be done with it. However... In my current living situation the 12c may be a bit imposing in my typical domestic living room/TV room.

Given the 3 to 6+db difference in max output between the 12c and 8c depending on frequency, would a baffle mounted 8c approach the sound quality and db levels of the 12c with the added low end efficiency provided by a properly designed baffle wall? My desired output capability is reference volume with preserved dynamic peaks but no louder.

Also, with top priority placed on the sound quality of a center channel for home theater, would the 8c give up anything to the 12c in ultimate sound power and midbass energy given the above configuration (baffle mounting)?

Finally, is there a stock baffle wall DSP setting for the 8c similar to the 12c option?

Thanks in advance for the advice.
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I sent an e-mail to Mark 2 weeks ago. No response. It's the holiday season, he's a one man band, etc. I get it. But I would still like to try to make a decision on speakers since it's a pre-req for acoustic treatments and can impact room design. So I thought I would post here to see if his supporters could answer some of these for me.
Mark,

My room is a little bigger than Art's @ 21 x 29 x 12. I don't listen very loud, usually -12dB.


1) Is there any difference between the 8C and 12C other than SPL?
2) What are the SPL capabilities of each?
3) Do you have Polars?
4) 8C's are too pricey for surrounds. Do you have an ETA for the new Sparks?
5) Will the new sparks work for Atmos? Will you have a speaker for Atmos?
6) Do you give package discounts? Everything will be hidden, similar to Art's theater, so I don't care about finish quality. Needs to be painted black, but that's all.. Assume I would use Seatons for all speakers, unless there are gaps in the product line.
7) I am 10 min from RDU airport (Raleigh, NC). If I went ahead with the purchase, would you be able to fly down for a day or two to install and calibrate the speakers?
8) How do you normally interact with the acoustic treatment designer? Seems like there is some overlap there between tuning the speakers and tuning "the room".
9) My wife lived in Chicago almost 20 years (Palatine) before moving here. She still has lots of friends we visit. Do you have anything we could hear if we flew up?

 

 

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I've emailed Mark 2x the past week and haven't heard back from him yet. I'm thinking he is on vacation??
He was posting in the threads last night so who knows, maybe he's away maybe he's just really busy.
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He was posting in the threads last night so who knows, maybe he's away maybe he's just really busy.
It's also advised that you try and call. He's pretty good about picking up the phone but he also does seem to go into a silence mode every so often. Unfortunately you will find scattered complaints about this. I am sure this is the price one pays when they are in demand.
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