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Has there been any changes to the XO design for the 2015 models when the name changed or just name change?

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I think there was some confusion about the name change, especially for new buyers. Hopefully that doesn't confuse anyone, but the JTR forum probably explains it quite nicely.

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For those considering dropping a wad of cash on immersive audio(atmos, auro, neoX), you may want to listen to this weeks Home Theater Geeks with an Audio Mastering Director from Sony. Seems like a lot of compromises are made. But that's just my quick interpretation.

https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false
I didn't get through the whole interview but some of what I heard was kind of disturbing. Catering bluray mixes to the home environment is interesting but I never do what Scott and Brian Vessa claim they often do at home when they hold the remote in their hand and adjust the volume to increase dialog volume and then turn it down when the action starts. That just says you have a bad system if you have to constantly work the remote during a movie. For me it's set it and forget it and I'm sure there are plenty of others here who do the same.

I suppose those of us with capable systems (Outliers) can just turn the volume up on these doctored releases to get back to the real cinema (or better) experience. I just hope something significant isn't lost in translation.

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I didn't get through the whole interview but some of what I heard was kind of disturbing. Catering bluray mixes to the home environment is interesting but I never do what Scott and Brian Vessa claim they often do at home when they hold the remote in their hand and adjust the volume to increase dialog volume and then turn it down when the action starts. That just says you have a bad system if you have to constantly work the remote during a movie. For me it's set it and forget it and I'm sure there are plenty of others here who do the same.

I suppose those of us with capable systems (Outliers) can just turn the volume up on these doctored releases to get back to the real cinema (or better) experience. I just hope something significant isn't lost in translation.
I didn't watch it but yikes. That's what dynamic range limiters/midnight setting or whatever is for. The only thing worse than neutering bass on Blu-Rays would be to limit the dynamics. I sure hope that isn't coming.
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Has there been any changes to the XO design for the 2015 models when the name changed or just name change?

I think so, I know that Jeff shot me a pm telling me that the XO had changed from the 228's that I owned compared to the current 228's.
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I didn't watch it but yikes. That's what dynamic range limiters/midnight setting or whatever is for. The only thing worse than neutering bass on Blu-Rays would be to limit the dynamics. I sure hope that isn't coming.
I watched part of it (then fell asleep) but I did see the bit where he spoke about this.
My impression was that they re-balance various stems (Right word?). So, for instance, if you use the direct movie theater track the voice may be very low volume in a home theater, or something very loud may be pulled down a bit to make it less overpowering of the rest of the track. The comparison between what he was speaking about and midnight mode came up and he explained it wasn't like midnight mode, where the dynamics are compressed down to a "small box" as he put it. It was more like managing all the components to where they are clearly audible on a variety of platforms from standard TV speakers to a full home theater setup. The explanation was that when you take a movie sound track and use it directly on a home theater setup, because of the difference in the room and number/power of speakers, various subtle parts of the track are lost or very quiet as they were designed to be subtle on an array of speakers. A home theater (or most) doesn't have an array of speakers producing the affect they have just one. Therefor re-balancing of the effects are required to get the same representation that you get at a big theater in your home theater. It doesn't seem this is new as he spoke about starting to do this around 1997, and apparently there may be a white paper available on AVS soon where the presenter discusses the whole process.

Another interesting thing he spoke about was that the pans need to be managed differently. At the big theater all the front speaker arrays are behind the screen, so when a pan happens it end directly at the edge of the screen. However at home because most speakers are to the sides of the screen the pan ends up happening off screen to the left or right, which to him "sounds wrong". So the pans are sometimes balanced to have the center speaker at home pull in the sound to the screen more instead of ending up full left/right.

He also touched a bit on the fact that a "home version" may now have to scale well from a phone to a full home theater, but there was still discussion on "how many mixes are needed" to accommodate the wide variety of listening environments.

The one thing I didnt like was that both Scott and the gentleman from Sony studios seemed to think that people didn't listen to movies loudly. At one point he said the dynamic range can reach from a normal 75 or 85 db up to 105/110db and "Who listens at that volume at home?" I was thinking "I do!"

FYI - Here is the discussion thread - Mastering Movie Audio for the Home

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https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false
Again, thanks for drawing attention to the Audio Mastering Thread Dbeck. I think this is an important issue but it is not directly related to the 3D audio formats. In fact, object based mastering and the associated playback formats might be a way of addressing the "issue".

Oh and I didn't spend wads of cash on my Atmos upgrade. It was actually one of the more affordable upgrades I have done from a bang for buck perspective. Of course, based upon the relative quality of our theater builds my standards are lower than yours.
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I didn't get through the whole interview but some of what I heard was kind of disturbing. Catering bluray mixes to the home environment is interesting but I never do what Scott and Brian Vessa claim they often do at home when they hold the remote in their hand and adjust the volume to increase dialog volume and then turn it down when the action starts. That just says you have a bad system if you have to constantly work the remote during a movie. For me it's set it and forget it and I'm sure there are plenty of others here who do the same.

I suppose those of us with capable systems (Outliers) can just turn the volume up on these doctored releases to get back to the real cinema (or better) experience. I just hope something significant isn't lost in translation.
Even my weak sauce three subwoofer system I never adjust volume in a movie. Set the volume at the beginning and let it ride.

I sure hope they don't keep mucking up the sound on blu Rays. Just because a lot of people have crap systems they should not be the target for the studios to mix movies.

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It is raining here today. I guess it associated with Tropical storm Bill, but anyway I am going to introduce my Daughter to Star Wars I bought all 6 digitally remastered blurays. I gotta get her prepped and ready for the new movie. I don't think I have seen it myself in 25 years. Perfect day for some Star Wars! Should sound fantastic on the JayTeeAre's.
You're way ahead me...I've never seen the movies...only like 20 minutes of the first one. Always have been waiting to watch it 'properly' with a bd of the original theatrical version on a big screen...I may be waiting a long time.

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These updated 228's, etc have me really thinking. lol... I'm debating putting a projector and screen in my basement, and I think these would do well behind the screen.

Am I correct that the 228's would work very nicely for HT? I'd be doing 100% movies, TV, etc with them. Already have the subs

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These updated 228's, etc have me really thinking. lol... I'm debating putting a projector and screen in my basement, and I think these would do well behind the screen.

Am I correct that the 228's would work very nicely for HT? I'd be doing 100% movies, TV, etc with them. Already have the subs

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They will do even better now! Will be a fantastic speaker for 100% movies. However don't count them out for music as they will sound just as good for music.
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Thanks for the info. I had thought so, but one never knows. lol

I'm just in the planning stages at the moment. So... patience I tell myself.
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Again, thanks for drawing attention to the Audio Mastering Thread Dbeck. I think this is an important issue but it is not directly related to the 3D audio formats. In fact, object based mastering and the associated playback formats might be a way of addressing the "issue".

Oh and I didn't spend wads of cash on my Atmos upgrade. It was actually one of the more affordable upgrades I have done from a bang for buck perspective. Of course, based upon the relative quality of our theater builds my standards are lower than yours.
Good point RMK. Just throwing it out there since I picked up things that I didn't know which is no huge surprise. But you're right, not just an issue for the new audio formats.
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I know I've missed a few pages, but did I understand this correctly...the new 228 is now identical to the 212ht except for the 8" woofers?

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Yes ................ 228HT = 212HT ............ 228HTR = 212HTR
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Yes ................ 228HT = 212HT ............ 228HTR = 212HTR
I'm feeling outdated already

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I see on the Just The Rfacts website the HTR adds annular diaphragm compression driver...since this and the price is the only difference, what's the intended benefit of this?

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I'm feeling outdated already

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I see on the Just The Rfacts website the HTR adds annular diaphragm compression driver...since this and the price is the only difference, what's the intended benefit of this?
228HTR has the coaxial CD same as 212HTR, 210RT/RM, 2125RT/RM................ annular diaphragm CD needs to be changed to neo coaxial compression driver on the website.

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228HTR has the coaxial CD same as 212HTR, 210RT/RM, 2125RT/RM
Right...but I was trying to find a difference/benefit of the CD...by chance, has Jeff mentioned the benefits of the 228HTR over the 228HT? All the specs listed for both are identical...from frequency range (70hz-20khz), usable output (129db), and everything else.

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I'm drive'n up those numbers nearly by myself and in case you haven't noticed, I'm getting a little old for this ... time to step it up people.

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