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I shipped mine to Jeff, if we are honest out of ignorance, and had him do the work. It did only cost me $100 to ship a pallet as I get goos shipping discounts. But I also needed a little repair on one of the woofer female mounting threads.

I know RMK and a few others who have done xo upgrades or xo and BMS cd upgrades and just had Jeff ship them after he built the xo's. I and everyone else I think would highly recommend the BMS CD. I did feel the selenium CD sounded very nice and clinical but the BMS has nicer high top end sound IMO. It's a worthy upgrade IMO. You have three T12's?



I bought dholmes triple 12's, I believe they were made late 2009 early 2010. Ill get ahold of Jeff and look into it. I appreciate the info.
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I bought dholmes triple 12's, I believe they were made late 2009 early 2010. Ill get ahold of Jeff and look into it. I appreciate the info.
This is just my opinion but I would not bother with the upgrade. The performance delta is small and there are much better ways to spend the money (like having your system professionally setup/calibrated ).

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Can anyone comment on the differences of the Triple 8 Jeff use to make vs the new current 228HT (not the R version) or the older 228HT that just got replaced and their implications?

Has anyone ever done a comparison? Has anyone ever upgraded from a Tripple 8 to the 228HT (older one as new one just came out)? What differences did it make?
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Can anyone comment on the differences of the Triple 8 Jeff use to make vs the new current 228HT (not the R version) or the older 228HT that just got replaced and their implications?

Has anyone ever done a comparison? Has anyone ever upgraded from a Tripple 8 to the 228HT (older one as new one just came out)? What differences did it make?
I am probably the worst to give info as I am still learning the new lineup myself, however there are two different models in the 228 lineup. The HT is a two way with a compression driver and the other is a 3 way with a coaxial driver, the same driver used in the 212HTR. Personally I have never heard the triple 8's or at least I don't think I have, so I cannot compare the two. Certainly using the horns gives better coverage and off axis listening. I believe the 228 uses the 60X60? RMK upgraded from the T12 to the 212HT's and now to the 215's so he could elaborate on a comparison better than me. I am sure he will be along soon @RMK

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I am probably the worst to give info as I am still learning the new lineup myself, however there are two different models in the 228 lineup. The HT is a two way with a compression driver and the other is a 3 way with a coaxial driver, the same driver used in the 212HTR. Personally I have never heard the triple 8's or at least I don't think I have, so I cannot compare the two. Certainly using the horns gives better coverage and off axis listening. I believe the 228 uses the 60X60? RMK upgraded from the T12 to the 212HT's and now to the 215's so he could elaborate on a comparison better than me. I am sure he will be along soon @RMK

Further to what Reef said there's been three different models of the 228's. I had the original 228HT's which uses a 1" BMS CD in them and were a 2-way, the current version of the 228HT's are still a 2-way but now use a 1.4" BMS CD and have a lower crossover point and a revised crossover along with the new wooden waveguide. And then there's the 228HTR, which is now a 3-way using the awesome BMS 1.4" coax compression driver. Man I really wish that speaker was around when I bought my 228's.
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Further to what Reef said there's been three different models of the 228's. I had the original 228HT's which uses a 1" BMS CD in them and were a 2-way, the current version of the 228HT's are still a 2-way but now use a 1.4" BMS CD and have a lower crossover point and a revised crossover along with the new wooden waveguide. And then there's the 228HTR, which is now a 3-way using the awesome BMS 1.4" coax compression driver. Man I really wish that speaker was around when I bought my 228's.
Any idea what woofers are being used on the 228HT (older and new models)?
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I have a question for 215RT speaker placement. Have any of you tried your 215RT's in various different speaker positions to optimize sound quality? I am wondering how critical they are to room placement. Some speakers are somewhat finicky in room placement and need to be a certain distance from side and back walls to sound good and other speakers aren't so critical and they sound pretty good wherever you put them. Do they need to be really toed in to sound there best? What distance do they need to be from side and rear walls?
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If you were asking me, I have 2x T12s in storage.
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This is just my opinion but I would not bother with the upgrade. The performance delta is small and there are much better ways to spend the money (like having your system professionally setup/calibrated ).
Intersting, I would have suspected you would endorse the CD/XO upgrade. I did feel the selenium CD setup was quite capable and sounded very good. Unfortunately one of the Selenium CD's was damaged and needed replaced anyway. I ended up with a pair of Triple 8's all said and done (after Jeff did CD/XO upgrade) for $1200. Plus they are in the cool cabinets with the giant JTR logo on the back and the heavy duty truck liner finish with speaking connectors.

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I have a question for 215RT speaker placement. Have any of you tried your 215RT's in various different speaker positions to optimize sound quality? I am wondering how critical they are to room placement. Some speakers are somewhat finicky in room placement and need to be a certain distance from side and back walls to sound good and other speakers aren't so critical and they sound pretty good wherever you put them. Do they need to be really toed in to sound there best? What distance do they need to be from side and rear walls?
I have a 212s, not 215s, but I suspect similar rules would apply.
I prefer them in the corners and toed in slightly beyond the middle, so they are aimed a couple feet in front of the MLP.
Normally, I prefer speakers out in the room away from the walls, but this approach has some advantages with the more controlled directivity from the large horns.

Putting them in the corners eliminates cancellation from side and rear wall reflections for low frequencies.
Angling them in reduces side wall reflections and improves imaging and frequency response.
Aiming them slightly in front of the MLP doesn't hurt imaging or FR, while expanding the sweet spot and further reducing side reflections. If you angle them in too much, though, it does start to hurt the imaging.
The wide placement creates a wider soundstage. Speakers with less controlled directivity create ambiance by sending sound everywhere, providing a wide soundstage. With the JTRs, you don't have that, and I felt the soundstage was too small with typical positioning. The soundstage with wide positioning is phenomenal.
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