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I shipped mine to Jeff, if we are honest out of ignorance, and had him do the work. It did only cost me $100 to ship a pallet as I get goos shipping discounts. But I also needed a little repair on one of the woofer female mounting threads.

I know RMK and a few others who have done xo upgrades or xo and BMS cd upgrades and just had Jeff ship them after he built the xo's. I and everyone else I think would highly recommend the BMS CD. I did feel the selenium CD sounded very nice and clinical but the BMS has nicer high top end sound IMO. It's a worthy upgrade IMO. You have three T12's?



I bought dholmes triple 12's, I believe they were made late 2009 early 2010. Ill get ahold of Jeff and look into it. I appreciate the info.
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I bought dholmes triple 12's, I believe they were made late 2009 early 2010. Ill get ahold of Jeff and look into it. I appreciate the info.
This is just my opinion but I would not bother with the upgrade. The performance delta is small and there are much better ways to spend the money (like having your system professionally setup/calibrated ).

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Can anyone comment on the differences of the Triple 8 Jeff use to make vs the new current 228HT (not the R version) or the older 228HT that just got replaced and their implications?

Has anyone ever done a comparison? Has anyone ever upgraded from a Tripple 8 to the 228HT (older one as new one just came out)? What differences did it make?
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Can anyone comment on the differences of the Triple 8 Jeff use to make vs the new current 228HT (not the R version) or the older 228HT that just got replaced and their implications?

Has anyone ever done a comparison? Has anyone ever upgraded from a Tripple 8 to the 228HT (older one as new one just came out)? What differences did it make?
I am probably the worst to give info as I am still learning the new lineup myself, however there are two different models in the 228 lineup. The HT is a two way with a compression driver and the other is a 3 way with a coaxial driver, the same driver used in the 212HTR. Personally I have never heard the triple 8's or at least I don't think I have, so I cannot compare the two. Certainly using the horns gives better coverage and off axis listening. I believe the 228 uses the 60X60? RMK upgraded from the T12 to the 212HT's and now to the 215's so he could elaborate on a comparison better than me. I am sure he will be along soon @RMK

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I am probably the worst to give info as I am still learning the new lineup myself, however there are two different models in the 228 lineup. The HT is a two way with a compression driver and the other is a 3 way with a coaxial driver, the same driver used in the 212HTR. Personally I have never heard the triple 8's or at least I don't think I have, so I cannot compare the two. Certainly using the horns gives better coverage and off axis listening. I believe the 228 uses the 60X60? RMK upgraded from the T12 to the 212HT's and now to the 215's so he could elaborate on a comparison better than me. I am sure he will be along soon @RMK

Further to what Reef said there's been three different models of the 228's. I had the original 228HT's which uses a 1" BMS CD in them and were a 2-way, the current version of the 228HT's are still a 2-way but now use a 1.4" BMS CD and have a lower crossover point and a revised crossover along with the new wooden waveguide. And then there's the 228HTR, which is now a 3-way using the awesome BMS 1.4" coax compression driver. Man I really wish that speaker was around when I bought my 228's.
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Further to what Reef said there's been three different models of the 228's. I had the original 228HT's which uses a 1" BMS CD in them and were a 2-way, the current version of the 228HT's are still a 2-way but now use a 1.4" BMS CD and have a lower crossover point and a revised crossover along with the new wooden waveguide. And then there's the 228HTR, which is now a 3-way using the awesome BMS 1.4" coax compression driver. Man I really wish that speaker was around when I bought my 228's.
Any idea what woofers are being used on the 228HT (older and new models)?
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I have a question for 215RT speaker placement. Have any of you tried your 215RT's in various different speaker positions to optimize sound quality? I am wondering how critical they are to room placement. Some speakers are somewhat finicky in room placement and need to be a certain distance from side and back walls to sound good and other speakers aren't so critical and they sound pretty good wherever you put them. Do they need to be really toed in to sound there best? What distance do they need to be from side and rear walls?
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If you were asking me, I have 2x T12s in storage.
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This is just my opinion but I would not bother with the upgrade. The performance delta is small and there are much better ways to spend the money (like having your system professionally setup/calibrated ).
Intersting, I would have suspected you would endorse the CD/XO upgrade. I did feel the selenium CD setup was quite capable and sounded very good. Unfortunately one of the Selenium CD's was damaged and needed replaced anyway. I ended up with a pair of Triple 8's all said and done (after Jeff did CD/XO upgrade) for $1200. Plus they are in the cool cabinets with the giant JTR logo on the back and the heavy duty truck liner finish with speaking connectors.

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I have a question for 215RT speaker placement. Have any of you tried your 215RT's in various different speaker positions to optimize sound quality? I am wondering how critical they are to room placement. Some speakers are somewhat finicky in room placement and need to be a certain distance from side and back walls to sound good and other speakers aren't so critical and they sound pretty good wherever you put them. Do they need to be really toed in to sound there best? What distance do they need to be from side and rear walls?
I have 212s, not 215s, but I suspect similar rules would apply.
I prefer them in the corners and toed in slightly beyond the middle, so they are aimed a couple feet in front of the MLP.
Normally, I prefer speakers out in the room away from the walls, but this approach has some advantages with the more controlled directivity from the large horns.

Putting them in the corners eliminates cancellation from side and rear wall reflections for low frequencies.
Angling them in reduces side wall reflections and improves imaging and frequency response.
Aiming them slightly in front of the MLP doesn't hurt imaging or FR, while expanding the sweet spot and further reducing side reflections. If you angle them in too much, though, it does start to hurt the imaging.
The wide placement creates a wider soundstage. Speakers with less controlled directivity create ambiance by sending sound everywhere, providing a wide soundstage. With the JTRs, you don't have that, and I felt the soundstage was too small with typical positioning. The soundstage with wide positioning is phenomenal.
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I have a question for 215RT speaker placement. Have any of you tried your 215RT's in various different speaker positions to optimize sound quality? I am wondering how critical they are to room placement. Some speakers are somewhat finicky in room placement and need to be a certain distance from side and back walls to sound good and other speakers aren't so critical and they sound pretty good wherever you put them. Do they need to be really toed in to sound there best? What distance do they need to be from side and rear walls?
Due to width limitations in the room (15' front wall) and an AT screen that is 28" off of the front wall, my 215RT's are a bit crammed in. I would prefer to have more separation laterally, and a bit more room behind them but I was adapting to an existing irregular shaped room so my options were limited. The L&R toe-in is slight (maybe 15°) and they are aimed just outside of the main LP and the imaging and soundstage are excellent. Resolution wise they are as good as any speaker I have had in the room. In terms of the size of the soundstage, the sound emanates from the entire wall. Dialog is anchored to where it should be and other sounds appear very naturally from the screen and beyond. I never get the sensation I am listening to box speakers.

So even with my accommodations to the room, the 215RT do everything well and have given me the best most cohesive treble to bass sound I have heard. I never think about the sound system anymore as it never draws attention to itself by lacking or overdoing anything. By adding the Atmos/DSU ceiling speakers, I've created a sound bubble that envelops you in a natural and realistic way. Could it sound better?, perhaps and I might do some things with EQ but with 4K on the horizon, my attention will likely go in that direction. Audio wise, safe to say I'm a happy camper.
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I have 212s, not 215s, but I suspect similar rules would apply.
I prefer them in the corners and toed in slightly beyond the middle, so they are aimed a couple feet in front of the MLP.
Normally, I prefer speakers out in the room away from the walls, but this approach has some advantages with the more controlled directivity from the large horns.

Putting them in the corners eliminates cancellation from side and rear wall reflections for low frequencies.
Angling them in reduces side wall reflections and improves imaging and frequency response.
Aiming them slightly in front of the MLP doesn't hurt imaging or FR, while expanding the sweet spot and further reducing side reflections. If you angle them in too much, though, it does start to hurt the imaging.
The wide placement creates a wider soundstage. Speakers with less controlled directivity create ambiance by sending sound everywhere, providing a wide soundstage. With the JTRs, you don't have that, and I felt the soundstage was too small with typical positioning. The soundstage with wide positioning is phenomenal.
thank you very much rcohen, I am still trying to decide between the two models (212HTR and 215RT) so much appreciated.
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Due to width limitations in the room (15' front wall) and an AT screen that is 28" off of the front wall, my 215RT's are a bit crammed in. I would prefer to have more separation laterally, and a bit more room behind them but I was adapting to an existing irregular shaped room so my options were limited. The L&R toe-in is slight (maybe 15°) and they are aimed just outside of the main LP and the imaging and soundstage are excellent. Resolution wise they are as good as any speaker I have had in the room. In terms of the size of the soundstage, the sound emanates from the entire wall. Dialog is anchored to where it should be and other sounds appear very naturally from the screen and beyond. I never get the sensation I am listening to box speakers.

So even with my accommodations to the room, the 215RT do everything well and have given me the best most cohesive treble to bass sound I have heard. I never think about the sound system anymore as it never draws attention to itself by lacking or overdoing anything. By adding the Atmos/DSU ceiling speakers, I've created a sound bubble that envelops you in a natural and realistic way. Could it sound better?, perhaps and I might do some things with EQ but with 4K on the horizon, my attention will likely go in that direction. Audio wise, safe to say I'm a happy camper.
Thank you Truly RMK! Still trying to decide between 212HTR and 215RT but think I am leaning towards a 215RT/215RM (center channel) combo so this REALLY helps.
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Thank you Truly RMK! Still trying to decide between 212HTR and 215RT but think I am leaning towards a 215RT/215RM (center channel) combo so this REALLY helps.
No problem , I'm pretty sure you are going to like it a lot anyway you go.

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Thank you Truly RMK! Still trying to decide between 212HTR and 215RT but think I am leaning towards a 215RT/215RM (center channel) combo so this REALLY helps.
On a side note.. Are you running subs with any of these choices?
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On a side note.. Are you running subs with any of these choices?
Yes sir, running a JTR Orbit shifter
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Big thanks to CountryWV for the JTR Triple 12 HTs. I have them hooked up to a horrible Sony amp and rocked out to the Metallica - Through the Never Blu-ray and a few clips from the Home Theater Demo discs from AVS and oh my god... Coming from some bookshelf B&Ws, large Denons and a few other setups, these are in a completely different league. I settled in and watched a few movies after playing them way too loud (but surprisingly not fatiguing) and the detail and dialogue was unlike anything I've heard before. All of this coming from an untreated space with a quick calibration.

I cannot wait to build out a dedicated space in the adjacent room and surround myself with JTR speakers and a nice AVR. Next on the list is a sub or two from the JTR offerings. Thanks to everyone on the forum for their reviews of these speakers over the years. They have been a dream speaker of mine for quite a while and are everything I was hoping for and more.
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Big thanks to CountryWV for the JTR Triple 12 HTs. I have them hooked up to a horrible Sony amp and rocked out to the Metallica - Through the Never Blu-ray and a few clips from the Home Theater Demo discs from AVS and oh my god... Coming from some bookshelf B&Ws, large Denons and a few other setups, these are in a completely different league. I settled in and watched a few movies after playing them way too loud (but surprisingly not fatiguing) and the detail and dialogue was unlike anything I've heard before. All of this coming from an untreated space with a quick calibration.

I cannot wait to build out a dedicated space in the adjacent room and surround myself with JTR speakers and a nice AVR. Next on the list is a sub or two from the JTR offerings. Thanks to everyone on the forum for their reviews of these speakers over the years. They have been a dream speaker of mine for quite a while and are everything I was hoping for and more.
Nice! That is one thing I have told many people on how you can stick a pair of JTR's in a room and push play and have them sound fantastic. I have been been retooling my theater and I reset the microprocessor on my X7200WA and set it to out of the box. I then slid in lone survivor for a few test and watched the entire movie without making one adjustment and it sounded incredible!!

You have a nice looking room there and congrats on the new JTR's. I am sure you know this, but you want to get them up off the floor so the CD is closer to ear level. Jeff sells stands or you can whip something up. I used milk crates for a bit while I was waiting for my stands for my 212's. Welcome to the club, it only gets better, I am sure a pair of Caps or S2's will have you smiling ear to ear.
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Yes sir, running a JTR Orbit shifter
Ok here's my take on the 215's with subs. So after doing extensive trials and testing. With movies, I prefer running my 215's with subs. Even if you set the mains to large and put a X/O point. The receiver or pre pro will still send the LFE to the subs. I've done testing to this by shutting off the power on my subs and switch between large and small. Yet still having set yes to subs in the receiver. When set to large I can tell from hearing that no LFE goes to the mains. Now when I select no to subs and leave it large. Then damn, the 215's put put out the guns in the LFE. Now, in my receiver there's a plus to subs setting which when I listen to music I enable. Setting the mains to large in stereo mode with plus to subs makes both run in FR all down the spectrum. Well the subs has its limitations to FR of course. But down low is where both my subs and speakers play nicely but with authority together. I'd tried using it this way with movies. But it just seems boomy and out of whack. I guess ported and sealed takes time to calibrate to work in sync together. And unfortunately, REW does not allow you to leave the mains to large. So I can't dial it in if I wanna go that route. So, I've come to conclusion that when I wanna get heavy in movies, with a good pounding to my body. I'd set my my 215's to small crossing over to the quad S2's. I like it better like that. Because movies is more dynamic then music. But most time I have my subs sleeping and just running my speakers full range with NO to subs. Even this route with the 215's is more then enough. Especially if you get these speakers calibrated down to the Tee like Rob. I've heard he's system with the 215's running solo. Awesome setup.. So the point I'm trying to get across here is if your run your OS with the 215's at FR. It's a waste for the speakers potential cause it doesn't work that way once you enable yes to subs and a X/O point. I'd rather look into the 212's and save get another or three more OS. JMHO...
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Ok here's my take on the 215's with subs. So after doing extensive trials and testing. With movies, I prefer running my 215's with subs. Even if you set the mains to large and put a X/O point. The receiver or pre pro will still send the LFE to the subs. I've done testing to this by shutting off the power on my subs and switch between large and small. Yet still having set yes to subs in the receiver. When set to large I can tell from hearing that no LFE goes to the mains. Now when I select no to subs and leave it large. Then damn, the 215's put put out the guns in the LFE. Now, in my receiver there's a plus to subs setting which when I listen to music I enable. Setting the mains to large in stereo mode with plus to subs makes both run in FR all down the spectrum. Well the subs has its limitations to FR of course. But down low is where both my subs and speakers play nicely but with authority together. I'd tried using it this way with movies. But it just seems boomy and out of whack. I guess ported and sealed takes time to calibrate to work in sync together. And unfortunately, REW does not allow you to leave the mains to large. So I can't dial it in if I wanna go that route. So, I've come to conclusion that when I wanna get heavy in movies, with a good pounding to my body. I'd set my my 215's to small crossing over to the quad S2's. I like it better like that. Because movies is more dynamic then music. But most time I have my subs sleeping and just running my speakers full range with NO to subs. Even this route with the 215's is more then enough. Especially if you get these speakers calibrated down to the Tee like Rob. I've heard he's system with the 215's running solo. Awesome setup.. So the point I'm trying to get across here is if your run your OS with the 215's at FR. It's a waste for the speakers potential cause it doesn't work that way once you enable yes to subs and a X/O point. I'd rather look into the 212's and save get another or three more OS. JMHO...
This GREAT feedback for me rhed, thanks for sharing the results of all of your testing in all of the various scenarios. I have been somewhat leaning towards the 215RT's due to the feedback about the 215RT's sounding a little more "laidback" and better on music than the 212HT's however i emailed Jeff and he was asking me what specific models the comments were made about, I mentioned i wasn't sure because by his response the 2015 212HTR's and 215RT's with the new driver should have a much "fuller" sound and should not sound very much different between the two models.
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This GREAT feedback for me rhed, thanks for sharing the results of all of your testing in all of the various scenarios. I have been somewhat leaning towards the 215RT's due to the feedback about the 215RT's sounding a little more "laidback" and better on music than the 212HT's however i emailed Jeff and he was asking me what specific models the comments were made about, I mentioned i wasn't sure because by his response the 2015 212HTR's and 215RT's with the new driver should have a much "fuller" sound and should not sound very much different between the two models.
Exactly! I wouldn't doubt the 212HTR and the 215RT sound exactly the same if both were set to small. So this brings the question. Are you a bass junkie? If yes, then I'd go save some money to go with the 212's and th rest go to another OS. Or, if you're a bass junkie with a simple, space saving, yet VERY effective setup without subs.. 215's all the way.. Now if money is no object, 3 215's, 3 more OS to your one, 6 slanted 8's for surrounds and ATMOS.. OH, and don't forget the xternal power for you're 215's. Those suckers are hungry beast..
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I have a question for 215RT speaker placement. Have any of you tried your 215RT's in various different speaker positions to optimize sound quality? I am wondering how critical they are to room placement. Some speakers are somewhat finicky in room placement and need to be a certain distance from side and back walls to sound good and other speakers aren't so critical and they sound pretty good wherever you put them. Do they need to be really toed in to sound there best? What distance do they need to be from side and rear walls?
Oh yes, I've tried all speaker placement options available in my room.

For me having the speakers wide is the best by far for 2 channel music - and works just fine for movies too. I also prefer them out a few feet from the front wall.

I wouldn't say that my preference is just for the 215's though, when I had my 212's and also the JBL 4722 it was the same thing - I liked them wide and out from the front wall.

I have also tried all kinds of toe in. If I use a lot of toe in the sweet spot does indeed widen, but I prefer the sound when I have them toed in not as much so that they are aimed just outside the sweet spot seat.

All this is personal preference though IMO, and each person might like something different.
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