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With screens, there isn't much of a correlation between money and quality. It's really about the physical properties of the screen, rather than the price. A few years ago, I ordered a dozen samples and taped them on my wall. Here's the best three options of the dozen I tested.

You don't need to be overly concerned about color. It's an issue, but your eyes will quickly adapt to color differences, and you mainly see it in side-by-side comparisons.

2.4 gain retroreflective screens are awesome for 3D. The brightness really helps the 3D experience. They may be too bright for 2D on some projectors without iris control (depending on screen size). Also, they require a narrow projector & seating angle. I don't think that Da-lite makes the 2.4 high power material any more, but I found that it was identical to another company's 2.4 material. I could probably dig it up, if you are interested. These are also better for ambient light rejection, without getting into dark materials, which have worse gain/viewing angle (at all gain levels).

My overall favorite image was the Carada Brilliant White 1.4 gain material. Nice and bright. Great color and resolution. Reasonably priced. Good viewing angles.

Of the AT materials I tried, Seymour Center Stage XD was much brighter than every other woven screen. This is the best option, IMO, for uncompromised audio with reasonably bright video. For my purposes, every other woven screen material was dull and dark. I think this is the best all-around route, unless you need higher gain. This will be my next screen.
I went through a similar exercise with screens. After owning several cheap screens, I got a dealer demo powered Stewart StudioTek 130 (crazy MSLP ). That became my benchmark until I decided to go AT and then I tested several material samples against the Studiotek. I thought the XD material was the best compromise for an AT screen in all purpose HT use. It's not bright enough for 3D but I have found I don't watch 3D due to the clumsy glasses on top of my glasses and, the significant loss of light. I don't have a bat cave and like a bright image so I was thinking I need a light canon PJ for 3D but that doesn't resolve my 3D glasses issue so I'll just keep changing bulbs every 1000 hours and run my Sony (HW-50ES) in High Power mode until they work out all the kinks with 4K.

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With screens, there isn't much of a correlation between money and quality. It's really about the physical properties of the screen, rather than the price. A few years ago, I ordered a dozen samples and taped them on my wall. Here's the best three options of the dozen I tested.

You don't need to be overly concerned about color. It's an issue, but your eyes will quickly adapt to color differences, and you mainly see it in side-by-side comparisons.

2.4 gain retroreflective screens are awesome for 3D. The brightness really helps the 3D experience. They may be too bright for 2D on some projectors without iris control (depending on screen size). Also, they require a narrow projector & seating angle. I don't think that Da-lite makes the 2.4 high power material any more, but I found that it was identical to another company's 2.4 material. I could probably dig it up, if you are interested. These are also better for ambient light rejection, without getting into dark materials, which have worse gain/viewing angle (at all gain levels).

My overall favorite image was the Carada Brilliant White 1.4 gain material. Nice and bright. Great color and resolution. Reasonably priced. Good viewing angles.

Of the AT materials I tried, Seymour Center Stage XD was much brighter than every other woven screen. This is the best option, IMO, for uncompromised audio with reasonably bright video. For my purposes, every other woven screen material was dull and dark. I think this is the best all-around route, unless you need higher gain. This will be my next screen.
Did you test either of the Falcon materials at that time? I kept my swatch of XD and put it up against the new horizon 4k material and they were pretty close to the same brightness...and the horizon material was way better from a weave standpoint.
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I prefer them with much more toe in. IMO, the imaging and clarity are great when they point directly at the MLP. From there, you can expand the sweet spot and reduce side wall reflections by toeing in a bit more. At some point, the imaging suffers, but I found that aiming them about 2' in front of the MLP was ideal for my room. YMMV.

This technique works best with speakers with large horns, like JTRs.
I tried this extreme toe-in with the Noesis 212's and felt it ruined imaging for 2 channel mode. Having them aimed slightly outside of the main LP produced the best sound stage and imaging. I don't have adequate room behind the screen to try this with the 215RT's and so am happy with my more conventional approach.

I respect you opinions and feel the differences we hear must be based upon other factors like speaker separation and listening distance or perhaps the room and treatments.

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Yeah, I got a bit confused there and thought that the ambient light rejecting material was somehow AT . I guess physics makes that an unlikely combination .
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http://www.seymourav.com/screens.asp

Yeah, it's a shame that you have to choose between high gain and a vertical matching center. Someday projector tech and prices will make it easier.
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Brightness with pjs is different than tvs. You want better contrast over a brighter image when you're in an dark room IMO... A higher gain screen hurts contrast. For majority of viewing, which is non3D for most, this is especially important.

For the amount people are paying to some of these AT screen companies for essentially woven shade fabric is a bit absurd for what you actually get comparitvely speaking. The real costs are going towards the framing, which is overkill with some for what one needs structurally speaking to support the material...kind of like a table...as long as it has 4 legs, it'll do the job...no diff for screen frames.

I wouldn't trust some of the people behind the AT screens and their marketing hype...let alone anyone that may like to make unethical remarks on the side.

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Did you test either of the Falcon materials at that time? I kept my swatch of XD and put it up against the new horizon 4k material and they were pretty close to the same brightness...and the horizon material was way better from a weave standpoint.

Being able to see the weave was one of my biggest things to consider. My eyes are 85" from an 85" wide screen... I picked up the Falcon Horizon screen thanks to a few of your posts. I can't see the weave at all until I'm just a few feet from the screen. Brightness was not a priority, so I'm not sure how it fairs to the other companies out there.. but it is plenty bright for me! Plus, Rich was just an awesome guy to deal with, answering a few of my questions wrt an odd mounting solution. The frame is solid, the corner connections are superb, screen material is easy to work with.. and most importantly, the image is beautiful.


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Not sure really. The SI screens are ridiculous and the reason I had my PJ in a box for a year, lol. Had screen decision paralysis at those prices. I have a motorized 100" Elite Screens CineTension2 Series CineWhite screen and it's fantastic for the price. The actual screen characteristics are excellent, but things like motor noise are more than if you got say a Seymour.

But no doubt, big price difference. I paid less than a third of what I would have paid for a Seymour. But I realize that I do give up superior customer service and hardware quality for that savings. Those things cost more, but I suspect Elite screens business model is one of higher volume and lower margins than that of Seymour.
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With screens, there isn't much of a correlation between money and quality. It's really about the physical properties of the screen, rather than the price. A few years ago, I ordered a dozen samples and taped them on my wall. Here's the best three options of the dozen I tested.

You don't need to be overly concerned about color. It's an issue, but your eyes will quickly adapt to color differences, and you mainly see it in side-by-side comparisons.

2.4 gain retroreflective screens are awesome for 3D. The brightness really helps the 3D experience. They may be too bright for 2D on some projectors without iris control (depending on screen size). Also, they require a narrow projector & seating angle. I don't think that Da-lite makes the 2.4 high power material any more, but I found that it was identical to another company's 2.4 material. I could probably dig it up, if you are interested. These are also better for ambient light rejection, without getting into dark materials, which have worse gain/viewing angle (at all gain levels).

My overall favorite image was the Carada Brilliant White 1.4 gain material. Nice and bright. Great color and resolution. Reasonably priced. Good viewing angles.

Of the AT materials I tried, Seymour Center Stage XD was much brighter than every other woven screen. This is the best option, IMO, for uncompromised audio with reasonably bright video. For my purposes, every other woven screen material was dull and dark. I think this is the best all-around route, unless you need higher gain. This will be my next screen.
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I went through a similar exercise with screens. After owning several cheap screens, I got a dealer demo powered Stewart StudioTek 130 (crazy MSLP ). That became my benchmark until I decided to go AT and then I tested several material samples against the Studiotek. I thought the XD material was the best compromise for an AT screen in all purpose HT use. It's not bright enough for 3D but I have found I don't watch 3D due to the clumsy glasses on top of my glasses and, the significant loss of light. I don't have a bat cave and like a bright image so I was thinking I need a light canon PJ for 3D but that doesn't resolve my 3D glasses issue so I'll just keep changing bulbs every 1000 hours and run my Sony (HW-50ES) in High Power mode until they work out all the kinks with 4K.
Well I certainly trust the sum experience here. As well as the subjective opinions Seymour screens will always be out of my budget. I could buy one but at the sacrifice of adding six 18" woofers or nice seating I probably won't do. I felt numerous people praised the Falcon Horizon screen enough in comparison that for me it would be "more than enough." Half price of Seymour is nice. I don't car about 3D, am gonna shoot for snagging a Sony 40es (seems like good compromise point for a few years). My main concerns are AT performance and can I get enough calibrated lumens for a 150" wide screen. I mapped out room and I think I can get baffle wall (back wall framing, 4722&sub enclosures, false wall framing, then baffle wall multi layers to around 30." That gives me out to 13ft seating distance for a 12ft 6" wide screen, 10ft wide from Left to right speaker CD. All will make my world happy
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Did you test either of the Falcon materials at that time? I kept my swatch of XD and put it up against the new horizon 4k material and they were pretty close to the same brightness...and the horizon material was way better from a weave standpoint.
I doubt I would have checked any new materials, since I did this a few years ago.

Every other weave material I did try at the time was much darker than the XD.

If Falcon has a new higher gain weave, that certainly sounds like it would be worth comparing some samples.
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I tried this extreme toe-in with the Noesis 212's and felt it ruined imaging for 2 channel mode. Having them aimed slightly outside of the main LP produced the best sound stage and imaging. I don't have adequate room behind the screen to try this with the 215RT's and so am happy with my more conventional approach.

I respect you opinions and feel the differences we hear must be based upon other factors like speaker separation and listening distance or perhaps the room and treatments.
When I toed it in too far, the imaging did collapse, so that's definitely something to watch out for. Every room is definitely very different with this sort of thing, so no telling if my experience applies to anyone else.
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Well I certainly trust the sum experience here. As well as the subjective opinions Seymour screens will always be out of my budget. I could buy one but at the sacrifice of adding six 18" woofers or nice seating I probably won't do. I felt numerous people praised the Falcon Horizon screen enough in comparison that for me it would be "more than enough." Half price of Seymour is nice. I don't car about 3D, am gonna shoot for snagging a Sony 40es (seems like good compromise point for a few years). My main concerns are AT performance and can I get enough calibrated lumens for a 150" wide screen. I mapped out room and I think I can get baffle wall (back wall framing, 4722&sub enclosures, false wall framing, then baffle wall multi layers to around 30." That gives me out to 13ft seating distance for a 12ft 6" wide screen, 10ft wide from Left to right speaker CD. All will make my world happy
150" wide is probably pushing it for a low gain screen with that projector. Not sure about 144". Your best bet is to get some samples, put them and the projector at the right positions, and experiment.

With Seymour, some people buy the material and DIY, but if Falcon gives you good results for a lower price, go for it. Just try the samples. BTW, for AT screens, you should test them against a black background (like a black sheet of paper).
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With screens, there isn't much of a correlation between money and quality. It's really about the physical properties of the screen, rather than the price. A few years ago, I ordered a dozen samples and taped them on my wall. Here's the best three options of the dozen I tested.

You don't need to be overly concerned about color. It's an issue, but your eyes will quickly adapt to color differences, and you mainly see it in side-by-side comparisons.

2.4 gain retroreflective screens are awesome for 3D. The brightness really helps the 3D experience. They may be too bright for 2D on some projectors without iris control (depending on screen size). Also, they require a narrow projector & seating angle. I don't think that Da-lite makes the 2.4 high power material any more, but I found that it was identical to another company's 2.4 material. I could probably dig it up, if you are interested. These are also better for ambient light rejection, without getting into dark materials, which have worse gain/viewing angle (at all gain levels).

My overall favorite image was the Carada Brilliant White 1.4 gain material. Nice and bright. Great color and resolution. Reasonably priced. Good viewing angles.

Of the AT materials I tried, Seymour Center Stage XD was much brighter than every other woven screen. This is the best option, IMO, for uncompromised audio with reasonably bright video. For my purposes, every other woven screen material was dull and dark. I think this is the best all-around route, unless you need higher gain. This will be my next screen.
I know this is not a screen thread but, figured I would comment. I reviewed the materials used for the screens for my research and tried not to rely upon anyone's personal opinion. I sampled various materials and found what the different frame where constructed with. This let me know what was worth it and was I didn't need. The lower end seymour screens used a thinner frame than what I felt would'nt be adequate for my size screen. I could move up to the 3.5" thickness screen but it was rather expensive. I ended up with a silverticket screen. It has substantial 3.25" frame and spring tension mounting system. The AT fabric is cut off axis to help remove moir effect and as far as acoustics works very well. I am overall very happy with my purchase and it cost me about the same as a DIY screen for my silverticket. Customer support is excellent and the newer mounting brackets are super easy to use. They do lack instruction for assembly so its not all a win win. But I will say I very much like my screen, can tell no difference from my seating distance between it and my old solid non AT screen. My room has no ambient light in it so I also did not need super fancy screen material and I was not sitting super close either to see the weave. Your mileage may vary but I would suggest doing some research and finding out what you actually need for your specific room and the correct screen for the money. Unless money is no object! There are comparison pics of the screen materiel in my build thread if your interested.

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Did you test either of the Falcon materials at that time? I kept my swatch of XD and put it up against the new horizon 4k material and they were pretty close to the same brightness...and the horizon material was way better from a weave standpoint.
Way better? ... you had me right up to that point my friend. But seriously, I considered Falcon when I last upgraded (must have had 8 screens in the HT) but found that Seymour (the devil I know ) with XD material was just a bit more and so I have been using them for the last couple of screens (they wear out really fast ). Chris has given very good support on the screens I purchased from him but my gut tells me Falcon is a comparable product (perhaps even way better).

As I recall, I never had a problem even when projecting on a textured white wall from 12'+ ft viewing distance so screens are a great place to DIY and save some cash for speakers.
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When I toed it in too far, the imaging did collapse, so that's definitely something to watch out for. Every room is definitely very different with this sort of thing, so no telling if my experience applies to anyone else.
Same. Too much toe does wonders to center the image in stereo for the left and right seats, but alas, it collapses the imagery for my seat in the middle.... so you know where I keep them

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Way better? ... you had me right up to that point my friend. But seriously, I considered Falcon when I last upgraded (must have had 8 screens in the HT) but found that Seymour (the devil I know ) with XD material was just a bit more and so I have been using them for the last couple of screens (they wear out really fast ). Chris has given very good support on the screens I purchased from him but my gut tells me Falcon is a comparable product (perhaps even way better).

As I recall, I never had a problem even when projecting on a textured white wall from 12'+ ft viewing distance so screens are a great place to DIY and save some cash for speakers.
Shoot me your cell and Ill show you a difference of the two side by side. It's pretty drastic. The other nice part about the horizon material is, it stretches. This makes it an absolute cinch to install.
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Way better? ... you had me right up to that point my friend. But seriously, I considered Falcon when I last upgraded (must have had 8 screens in the HT) but found that Seymour (the devil I know ) with XD material was just a bit more and so I have been using them for the last couple of screens (they wear out really fast ). Chris has given very good support on the screens I purchased from him but my gut tells me Falcon is a comparable product (perhaps even way better).

As I recall, I never had a problem even when projecting on a textured white wall from 12'+ ft viewing distance so screens are a great place to DIY and save some cash for speakers.
I have the Elite 4K material and from the pictures it looks real similar to the Falcon screen. If that is the case I would agree that the Falcon is a lot better. I can see the weave in bright scenes (especially white) from around 9 feet away on the XD material (tried it out in mrsmithers room) but with my Elite material I can't see it until I'm right up next to the screen.

That said a lot of my friends have the XD material and I never notice the weave in normal viewing from their front row. Craig John had it and his picture quality was one of the best I've seen... so... not sure how much it really matters.

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150" wide is probably pushing it for a low gain screen with that projector. Not sure about 144". Your best bet is to get some samples, put them and the projector at the right positions, and experiment.

With Seymour, some people buy the material and DIY, but if Falcon gives you good results for a lower price, go for it. Just try the samples. BTW, for AT screens, you should test them against a black background (like a black sheet of paper).
Falcon does 150" wide or 140" wide at 2:35. I would rather go 150" but PJ light loss vs throw distance, etc is an area I know very little about. @asoofi1 has the Panny ae8000 with his size and seems to do ok. I want as big as possible but want performance too. The Panny has lens sift so thats a nice feature I should consider and it seems to be in the same performance/cost tier as the Sony 40es. My room will have no windows and 100% light controlled with walls and ceilings constructed for absolute minimal reflection as possible. I am building the room from the ground up. I could swing the Falcon Horizon if it truly offers the performance. I wouldn't need a screen as long as it lasted for years into the 4k turn in the future. I read somewhere the anamorphic lens boosts brightness? Maybe thats needed for this size? Again I'm speaking gibberish here as this is not my arena

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I know this is not a screen thread but, figured I would comment. I reviewed the materials used for the screens for my research and tried not to rely upon anyone's personal opinion. I sampled various materials and found what the different frame where constructed with. This let me know what was worth it and was I didn't need. The lower end seymour screens used a thinner frame than what I felt would'nt be adequate for my size screen. I could move up to the 3.5" thickness screen but it was rather expensive. I ended up with a silverticket screen. It has substantial 3.25" frame and spring tension mounting system. The AT fabric is cut off axis to help remove moir effect and as far as acoustics works very well. I am overall very happy with my purchase and it cost me about the same as a DIY screen for my silverticket. Customer support is excellent and the newer mounting brackets are super easy to use. They do lack instruction for assembly so its not all a win win. But I will say I very much like my screen, can tell no difference from my seating distance between it and my old solid non AT screen. My room has no ambient light in it so I also did not need super fancy screen material and I was not sitting super close either to see the weave. Your mileage may vary but I would suggest doing some research and finding out what you actually need for your specific room and the correct screen for the money. Unless money is no object! There are comparison pics of the screen materiel in my build thread if your interested.
I bought a Silver Ticket 92" screen for my LR setup at the previous house. The frame I agree is superbly built with that all aluminum frame. It's exceptional quality and was only $150 or so.

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Way better? ... you had me right up to that point my friend. But seriously, I considered Falcon when I last upgraded (must have had 8 screens in the HT) but found that Seymour (the devil I know ) with XD material was just a bit more and so I have been using them for the last couple of screens (they wear out really fast ). Chris has given very good support on the screens I purchased from him but my gut tells me Falcon is a comparable product (perhaps even way better).

As I recall, I never had a problem even when projecting on a textured white wall from 12'+ ft viewing distance so screens are a great place to DIY and save some cash for speakers.
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I have the 135" AT one it was only $480 shipped prime from amazon. You cant beat that and it looks excellent I will say. THe JTR's sound great behind it and I find no loss in sound. Speaking of speakers I just ordered a set of MTM210's to compare against the jtrs. I need a wider horn so we will see how they compare. I would like to get the RA speakers over as well. That would be a fun test.

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I have the 135" AT one it was only $480 shipped prime from amazon. You cant beat that and it looks excellent I will say. THe JTR's sound great behind it and I find no loss in sound. Speaking of speakers I just ordered a set of MTM210's to compare against the jtrs. I need a wider horn so we will see how they compare. I would like to get the RA speakers over as well. That would be a fun test.
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I have the 135" AT one it was only $480 shipped prime from amazon. You cant beat that and it looks excellent I will say. THe JTR's sound great behind it and I find no loss in sound. Speaking of speakers I just ordered a set of MTM210's to compare against the jtrs. I need a wider horn so we will see how they compare. I would like to get the RA speakers over as well. That would be a fun test.
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Based on the diagrams in the recent posts, what makes you think you need wider dispersion?

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My HCAA certified sound tech who is doing the calibration says need at least a 90 wide horn for my room. Narrow dispersion is good if your cant use much treatments as it kinda treat itself. but it will be taking away from envelopment and overall environment when good treatments are in place which I will have. I am by no means an expert at this stuff but, he is so I follow his suggestions.

That said the JTR's sound great at the moment and I will continue to enjoy them. I got some PSA MTM210's coming friday to compare them against. It should be interesting.

It is also odd seeing them in person, looking at pictures you think 8" oh thats small. And they are pretty good size next to my 18" subs.
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My HCAA certified sound tech who is doing the calibration says need at least a 90 wide horn for my room. Narrow dispersion is good if your cant use much treatments as it kinda treat itself. but it will be taking away from envelopment and overall environment when good treatments are in place which I will have. I am by no means an expert at this stuff but, he is so I follow his suggestions.

That said the JTR's sound great at the moment and I will continue to enjoy them. I got some PSA MTM210's coming friday to compare them against. It should be interesting.

It is also odd seeing them in person, looking at pictures you think 8" oh thats small. And they are pretty good size next to my 18" subs.
Got a link to show what the HCAA certification is?, nothing came up for me doing a google search except health care administrators association.

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Got a link to show what the HCAA certification is?, nothing came up for me doing a google search except health care administrators association.

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AH sorry HAA, typo.

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If I got into technicality that deep, I would never be able to just listen to music and movies without adjusting my setup to the point of a mental break down.

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150" wide is probably pushing it for a low gain screen with that projector. Not sure about 144". Your best bet is to get some samples, put them and the projector at the right positions, and experiment.

With Seymour, some people buy the material and DIY, but if Falcon gives you good results for a lower price, go for it. Just try the samples. BTW, for AT screens, you should test them against a black background (like a black sheet of paper).
Most of the AT screens have around 1.0 gain, with minor/indistinguishable-practical-usage variance. If one claims 1.2, it's still not a significant difference with a light controlled room...think 0-60mph times....either you're going for a land speed record to prove something with millisecond differences or you're enjoying the experience. Anyone that has demoed my screen thought it was one of the more expensive options being discussed. When a PJ is throwing out a very good amount of lumens, such as the panny 8000, it's one less concern. Even a basic calibration with a WOW disc calls for lower brightness.

I compared samples of XD against elite, and the difference was very minor in shade of white...the xd was a bit brighter, which again, works against contrast...and contrast is something more desirable to have with a pj setup...aka better black levels.

On a side note, the audio performance claims are almost ridiculous... it's a very desperate attempt for a manufacturer to distinguish themselves in some form to convince consumers it's some type of advantage when it's really not. For arguments sake, let's say there is measurable difference of 0.5 of a decibel...how does one compensate for that? Turn up the volume. But again, could you discern even one whole decibel? Basically, unless there's 5-10 decibels the screen material is blocking (and no self respecting AT company will even sell such material), this factor is just inconsequential. For any of the very minor measurable differences, Audyssey calibration or the like will set levels accordingly anyway.
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Falcon does 150" wide or 140" wide at 2:35. I would rather go 150" but PJ light loss vs throw distance, etc is an area I know very little about. @asoofi1 has the Panny ae8000 with his size and seems to do ok. I want as big as possible but want performance too. The Panny has lens sift so thats a nice feature I should consider and it seems to be in the same performance/cost tier as the Sony 40es. My room will have no windows and 100% light controlled with walls and ceilings constructed for absolute minimal reflection as possible. I am building the room from the ground up. I could swing the Falcon Horizon if it truly offers the performance. I wouldn't need a screen as long as it lasted for years into the 4k turn in the future. I read somewhere the anamorphic lens boosts brightness? Maybe thats needed for this size? Again I'm speaking gibberish here as this is not my arena



I bought a Silver Ticket 92" screen for my LR setup at the previous house. The frame I agree is superbly built with that all aluminum frame. It's exceptional quality and was only $150 or so.



What size is your screen?
The main factor you have left is pj placement really. This is where the panny allowed for a lot of flexibility...there's a calculator on the Panasonic website to show you max image at different lengths...the zoom range is a lot more than other pjs I looked at. Mine shoots from about 19' away to fill the entire 176" 2.35 image and can still zoom in to fill a 166" 16:9 166" image...btw, power lens memory and power focus is a huge feature and should be a deciding factor for any pj shopper. If you have enough length flexibility for pj placement and wall width, just go for the larger 2.35 screen if nothing else is stopping you.
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AH sorry HAA, typo.

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The older version of the Noesis 228HT have a rotatable horn so you'll want to make sure the horn is orientated correctly. The throat has a oval shape that should be perpendicular to the ground. If you have a hard time seeing oval at the throat than you can use you fingers to feel it. What model year do you have? There was a crossover update from 2014.


Your long, narraw room is ideal for narrower coverage. His logic of using a wider horn and more room treatment to absort the extra sound doesn't make much sense.


If you're going to turn this into a mini comparison than I can send you out current versions.
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Same. Too much toe does wonders to center the image in stereo for the left and right seats, but alas, it collapses the imagery for my seat in the middle.... so you know where I keep them



Shoot me your cell and Ill show you a difference of the two side by side. It's pretty drastic. The other nice part about the horizon material is, it stretches. This makes it an absolute cinch to install.
Not sure I want to see the difference ... you know ignorance being bliss and all ...

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Falcon does 150" wide or 140" wide at 2:35. I would rather go 150" but PJ light loss vs throw distance, etc is an area I know very little about. @asoofi1 has the Panny ae8000 with his size and seems to do ok. I want as big as possible but want performance too. The Panny has lens sift so thats a nice feature I should consider and it seems to be in the same performance/cost tier as the Sony 40es. My room will have no windows and 100% light controlled with walls and ceilings constructed for absolute minimal reflection as possible. I am building the room from the ground up. I could swing the Falcon Horizon if it truly offers the performance. I wouldn't need a screen as long as it lasted for years into the 4k turn in the future. I read somewhere the anamorphic lens boosts brightness? Maybe thats needed for this size? Again I'm speaking gibberish here as this is not my arena



I bought a Silver Ticket 92" screen for my LR setup at the previous house. The frame I agree is superbly built with that all aluminum frame. It's exceptional quality and was only $150 or so.



What size is your screen?
My screen is 138" diag. I think Carp is right about a viewing distance over 10' probably not mattering much at least to folks with my visual acuity. I sit 12' away from the 138" screen. OTOH, the claims by owners who have seen/sampled both are pretty compelling. If the brightness and audio are similar, why not go for the the surface with less texture?

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The older version of the Noesis 228HT have a rotatable horn so you'll want to make sure the horn is orientated correctly. The throat has a oval shape that should be perpendicular to the ground. If you have a hard time seeing oval at the throat than you can use you fingers to feel it. What model year do you have? There was a crossover update from 2014.
Hey Jeff, these were shipped in January 2014, so not sure it would have the crossover update or not. I am fairly certain the center does have it's horn oriented for horizontal use, so it should be re-oriented for vertical.
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Hey Jeff, these were shipped in January 2014, so not sure it would have the crossover update or not. I am fairly certain the center does have it's horn oriented for horizontal use, so it should be re-oriented for vertical.
Typically, we do our engineering and design work during our slow season, the summer, order parts and start shipping new designs in October or November. Your Noesis 228HT's are 2014 versions.
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Hello Jeff,

They are 2014 228 noesis. I will add a pic of the screen wall in a bit.

That would be interesting to compare the old vs the new along with the mtm210s.

I can take measurements as well. Do a local GTG for some folks.
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