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Old 09-04-2015, 09:20 PM
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Still have work to do in the theater with velvet, but here's a quick tease
Looking good Naylorman, I'll bet they sound great in there.

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@swest , first off you certainly have done well in your Volt build and purchasing your HTR's. I was a little confused by your post. You stated,

"The real kicker was that we A-B'ed (not quite double-blind, mind you, but almost) a test where we ran the left HTR as L, and the right B&W as R. While there might have been a slight difference in the timbre of the speakers, it was hardly noticeable, and, well, it was pretty difficult to tell which speaker was which! In other words, was I running with 2 HTRs, behind the screen? Or 1 HTR behind the screen and 1 B&W in front?"

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"I am not going to even attempt to qualify the difference in the sound of my theater BJ (before JTR) vs AJ (after JTR). The difference is extreme and dramatic. The 228HTRs are so incredibly strong. There is never the slightest sense of compression. Everything is full-throttle (and, by the way, I got my copy of Mad Max: Fury Road on Tuesday, and watched it yesterday... the performance of the HTRs was beyond my highest expectations)."

No doubt you mean the JTR's, especially getting them behind the screen, sound much better. Not only the speaker but location of the JTR's but the finesse and ease the JTR's handle dynamics. Nothing ever comes close to even thinking of distorting. As Jeff has said, this is a great feature a speaker must have. So you couldn't tell with left JTR main behind screen and right B&W floor stander out right?

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Yeah, sorry... that was a confusing post.

The B&W Matrix 803 Series II (vintage circa 1995) is a very capable loudspeaker. Witness the fact that this pair has survived in my HT for 20 years (). However, the point of the comparison I mentioned was not to compare the performance of the 803s vs the HTRs, but to compare the placement of the loudspeakers in the system. Consequently, the test passages we ran through the system for this comparison were played at a modest level, while each of us sat at the MLP with eyes closed, and the other played those passages while swapping between the Right Front HTR (behind the screen) and the Right Front 803 (in front of the screen, and wider, ~18 inches).

The result of our, rather unscientific, A-B test was that we were unable to discern a penalty, at least for the movie passages we chose, associated with the loss of the additional 18 inches of separation. Moreover (and this is the part of my earlier post that I'm sure was the source of the confusement... (I just made that one up, whaddya think?)) --> Each of us had a hard time even telling which of the two Right loudspeakers we were listening to . Again, the test material was a movie passage, which was neither demanding, nor played back at anything like Reference level.

I hope this is a little clearer than the earlier post.

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Watched a movie last night with the PSA's, ran audessey as I did with the 228's. They are similar somewhat the verdict is not out yet. I think the PSA's might have had less clarity in dialog and sounded more distorted at higher volumes. Ill keep testing them out and swap the JTR"s back in a few days. See if my ears missed them. We have our little demo scheduled for later this month, sadly my theater carpet wont be installed by then.
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If at all possible you should try them behind your couch!
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Fellas, I'm giving Andrew a demo tomorrow. I have a handful of demos picked out already.....mostly usual suspects. I bought Fury Road but haven't spun it yet. For those that have watched the Blu, is there a particularly good segment for the JTRs and Orbits?
Sound canons in Hulk is a great OS demo but not everyone likes being pummeled by bass. The opening chapter of Fury Road is good. One suggestion is to let Andrew have the remote. I used to blow folks out of the room with my demos and I know I cost Jeff at least one sale as a result of my desire to put the pedal to the metal ... the guy was grinning ear to ear but the wife had her ears covered and was not a happy camper.
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The Hulk scene is my go to demo for ULF, it'a 5HZ tone, you can't even hear it, just feel. I watched Fury Road last night. The movie was good but the bass wasn't anything that great IMO.... and I watching at reference with my 10dB house curve lol

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Sound canons in Hulk is a great OS demo but not everyone likes being pummeled by bass. The opening chapter of Fury Road is good. One suggestion is to let Andrew have the remote. I used to blow folks out of the room with my demos and I know I cost Jeff at least one sale as a result of my desire to put the pedal to the metal ... the guy was grinning ear to ear but the wife had her ears covered and was not a happy camper.

If she had her ears covered, he should have known what her reaction was going to be.Don't blame yourself, most likely his balls were in her purse along with the check book
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If she had her ears covered, he should have known what her reaction was going to be.Don't blame yourself, most likely his balls were in her purse along with the check book
It's a little more complicated than that and I think I caught both of them off guard with my little run up to +15. In the end, there was no way she wanted to arm him with the capability of producing the extreme SPL she heard/felt that day.

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Sound canons in Hulk is a great OS demo but not everyone likes being pummeled by bass. The opening chapter of Fury Road is good. One suggestion is to let Andrew have the remote. I used to blow folks out of the room with my demos and I know I cost Jeff at least one sale as a result of my desire to put the pedal to the metal ... the guy was grinning ear to ear but the wife had her ears covered and was not a happy camper.

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Testing out the PSA's took the JTRS out, suckers are not light.
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It's a little more complicated than that and I think I caught both of them off guard with my little run up to +15. In the end, there was no way she wanted to arm him with the capability of producing the extreme SPL she heard/felt that day.
I find that hilarious and completely sad at the same time. If I ask my wife to watch a movie, Ill keep the volume sane, If I tell her I'm going to watch a movie, she realizes the gloves are coming off and to leave the area. When I came home with the Trip 12's and put them in place, she said wtf, rolled her eyes, shook her head and that was the end of it. I guess Im lucky in that respect.
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I find that hilarious and completely sad at the same time. If I ask my wife to watch a movie, Ill keep the volume sane, If I tell her I'm going to watch a movie, she realizes the gloves are coming off and to leave the area. When I came home with the Trip 12's and put them in place, she said wtf, rolled her eyes, shook her head and that was the end of it. I guess Im lucky in that respect.
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Well how could he not? You've got an amazing system top to bottom Kevin.
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It's a little more complicated than that and I think I caught both of them off guard with my little run up to +15. In the end, there was no way she wanted to arm him with the capability of producing the extreme SPL she heard/felt that day.
+15!!!!!! How did you endure that??? Can't be too many that could handle that volume , except (from what I've read) Jeff.

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+15!!!!!! How did you endure that??? Can't be too many that could handle that volume , except (from what I've read) Jeff.
My first demo of JTRs was at RMK's with his 212's and Oribit Shifters and we listened at spirited levels, maybe +12 with AOF. The Bass was crazy and I lost my equalibrium, broke out in a sweat and a huge Smile because it sounded incredible. His room is well treated and at those levels it just sounds powerful, not loud. At his GTG to demo the 215s during a break it was just Jeff and myself and we were listening to An Evening With Godsmack [DVD Acoustic Concert] - Batella de los Tambores (acoustic) at about +10 and Jeff decides to play some Metallica - Master of Puppets and cranks it to something near +15 (it was just like being in the front row of a live concert
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+15!!!!!! How did you endure that??? Can't be too many that could handle that volume , except (from what I've read) Jeff.

The speakers were fine and sounded good (I think ) but my room is way overloaded at that MV. It's like driving 150+ mph ... not a place you stay very long but a really fun experience none the less.

Alas, the LG is long gone now and I'll never see +10+ territory again.
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My first demo of JTRs was at RMK's with his 212's and Oribit Shifters and we listened at spirited levels, maybe +12 with AOF. The Bass was crazy and I lost my equalibrium, broke out in a sweat and a huge Smile because it sounded incredible. His room is well treated and at those levels it just sounds powerful, not loud. At his GTG to demo the 215s during a break it was just Jeff and myself and we were listening to An Evening With Godsmack [DVD Acoustic Concert] - Batella de los Tambores (acoustic) at about +10 and Jeff decides to play some Metallica - Master of Puppets and cranks it to something near +15 (it was just like being in the front row of a live concert


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That takes me way back to my high school days, listening to paranoid 8 track cruising on the main street with the windows down blasting war pigs (C & C).
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I have the house to myself until 11 pm so my system is getting a Blu Ray Concert workout at Reference Level. Already watched Metallica Through The Never, Led Zeppelin The Song Remains The Same & David Gilmour Remember That Night. The rest of the live show:


Gary Moore & Friends A Tribute To Phil Lynott

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im havet tickets an Evenening with Godsmack next month. I was hesitant to buy the tickets as this place can be hit or miss on sound quality. Depending on location and how loud they turn it up it can sound ****ty. Im a fan so im hopeful


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I want to thank Kevin for demoing his system for me yesterday. I've been waiting for over a year to hear these speakers and am so grateful that Kevin allowed me to come to his house and listen to his system. After hearing those sub, I'm not sure his neighbors will be quite so thankful though.
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You're very welcome Andrew......nice to meet you and hope you liked them



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I want to thank Kevin for demoing his system for me yesterday. I've been waiting for over a year to hear these speakers and am so grateful that Kevin allowed me to come to his house and listen to his system. After hearing those sub, I'm not sure his neighbors will be quite so thankful though.

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It was a pleasure to meet you too and hope you team won.

Hearing them proved to be even more important than I expected. By the time I got home I was feeling confused in a way that I didn't think possible. The system was amazing (especially the subs). The imagining was the best I've ever heard and they were so easy to listen to yet, I don't think they are for me. I didn't ever expect to be so impressed with a speaker and realize it's not what I was looking for at the same time.

I have the feeling it's not about JTR but rather studio monitors in general. I don't know enough about speakers to be able to pinpoint it exactly, but I think it might be down to the treble. The JTR speakers were more laid back than what I'm used to.
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lol No Andrew......UT was destroyed by Notre Dame :P

Glad you liked them and everyone has their own tastes in sound and what they are looking for. It's good to be discerning to make sure you get what is right for you instead of buying blind. Good luck



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Hearing them proved to be even more important than I expected. By the time I got home I was feeling confused in a way that I didn't think possible. The system was amazing (especially the subs). The imagining was the best I've ever heard and they were so easy to listen to yet, I don't think they are for me. I didn't ever expect to be so impressed with a speaker and realize it's not what I was looking for at the same time.

I have the feeling it's not about JTR but rather studio monitors in general. I don't know enough about speakers to be able to pinpoint it exactly, but I think it might be down to the treble. The JTR speakers were more laid back than what I'm used to.

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Kids don't know hat they are missing without records. Long gone are the days of sitting with friends spinning records backwards and all agreeing they heard the artist saying something.lol
I have been hugely disappointed at the live concerts I have gone to lately. The first was "The Experience Hendrix Tour" in 2014 at the Robert Mondavi Center for the Performing Arts which is a mega million engineered acoustic venue and it sounded awful. I spoke to the sound guy during a set break and he admitted it sounded bad and said the space was not properly setup for amplified music. I had seen the Chieftains (mostly acoustic) there the prior year and the sound was no better. It was so bad that I got up and walked around the hall to see if I was sitting in a bad spot. It may have been slightly better at the sound board location but still very weak. A couple of weeks ago we were in Nevada visiting family and caught a Dwight Yoakam concert (sitting 3rd row center). Dwight is a great and talented performer but the sound was mostly too loud and muddled.

Of course for most people, much of the concert experience is just being there live and taking in all of the crowd energy. That's why a lot of people here still go out to the movies. They seek a "herd experience" but for me, ... not so much.

Bottom line, I am spoiled by my system and/or the fact that I was insufficiently impaired at both of these concerts (although they had some great Jack Daniels Lemonade at the the Yoakam concert ). Truth is my system's sound sound quality is the real culprit and having such a capable system, playing well recorded material which is tailored to the space and my taste, and with a remote in my hand for volume ... well it doesn't get any better than that.
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Glad you liked them and everyone has their own tastes in sound and what they are looking for. It's good to be discerning to make sure you get what is right for you instead of buying blind. Good luck
I'm sure I'll start following college football eventually. I don't think it's possible to live in Austin and not.

I designed part of my room around the expectation I'd be buying 212s. I would have ended up just buying them if I hadn't been able to demo them. It just goes to show that it doesn't matter how good a speaker is, you should listen to it yourself before buying. You've saved me a lot of time and money.

Now I'm in trouble. I have no idea where to start. Audiophile speakers are a lot more expensive, harder to drive and tend not to do well behind a screen. I think I'm also limited to being able to demo B&W here in Austin.
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I'm sure I'll start following college football eventually. I don't think it's possible to live in Austin and not.

I designed part of my room around the expectation I'd be buying 212s. I would have ended up just buying them if I hadn't been able to demo them. It just goes to show that it doesn't matter how good a speaker is, you should listen to it yourself before buying. You've saved me a lot of time and money.

Now I'm in trouble. I have no idea where to start. Audiophile speakers are a lot more expensive, harder to drive and tend not to do well behind a screen. I think I'm also limited to being able to demo B&W here in Austin.
Have you listened to the B&W's again after you heard the JTR's?
You may find there is something the JTR's had that the B&W's didn't. I was actually torn along a similar route. There seems to be something about the top of the B&W's that I liked more than the JTR's, however the rest of the benefits won it out for me (Low end, Mid-rage, dynamics, and over all efficiency.)

I another thing you *may* be hearing is that the JTR's were run with room correction vs w/o on other speakers you have listened to.
Many things go into the sound of the speaker.

As for other speakers, Salk has a very good sound a bit more like B&W. Also you could try to hit the rocky mountain audio fest in october or Axpona chicago next spring... all the speakers you could ever wish to listen to. =)
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