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Finally! My move to ATMOS has begun. My 4 slanted 8's that were surround duty will be moved to the ceiling for atmos duty now. And 4 210RT has been ordered for full range surrounds. All is left is a atmos pre pro or maybe a receiver. And thinkin of another Inuke 3000 dsp for the surrounds. Looks like I'm putting the 12000 back in the rack too. All in all, I'm very excited to finally move to ATMOS. And most of all very excited to to go full range all around. As it stands, the setup will be a JTR 7.4.4 setup. Now I'm definitely done with audio upgrade for awhile. I think!

Amazing man... complete and total overkill and I love it!! This will have to be one of the best systems.... ever.

I wimped out and never tried the 215's for surrounds when I had the 4722's as mains (or vice versa) because I was too afraid I would like it and I wouldn't be able to get it out of my head. I still haven't experienced a full range surround setup and I think I had better keep it that way. IMO it makes no sense that it would make much of a difference... but then again that's what most everyone says about full range mains too and I know first hand that isn't true.
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Congratulations.

The AVM60 was on my shortlist but I got the 7702Mk2.
I remember it had something to do with the fact that it will be around 6000 CAD here.
The retail is 3500$ CDN for the AV60 but I can get the 7702 now for over $1380 less and actually bought my volt 6's and my new Rotel 1095 with the money saved buy going with the marantz vs the Anthem.... plus the anthem doesn't have true dual sub outs.... That just leaves me more room when I decide on what projector to upgrade too lol

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Amazing man... complete and total overkill and I love it!! This will have to be one of the best systems.... ever.

I wimped out and never tried the 215's for surrounds when I had the 4722's as mains (or vice versa) because I was too afraid I would like it and I wouldn't be able to get it out of my head. I still haven't experienced a full range surround setup and I think I had better keep it that way. IMO it makes no sense that it would make much of a difference... but then again that's what most everyone says about full range mains too and I know first hand that isn't true.
Yea.. And I'm just goin by researching and reading with positive feedbacks. Guess I'll be the test subject on this one. And will post my opinion. If it doesn't make difference, well at least the bass will definitely bring more to the table..
who is using Towers or full range for the surrounds?
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Yea.. And I'm just goin by researching and reading with positive feedbacks. Guess I'll be the test subject on this one. And will post my opinion. If it doesn't make difference, well at least the bass will definitely bring more to the table..
who is using Towers or full range for the surrounds?
Please post some pictures when you get this setup, I would love to see it.

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So @Jeff Permanian ,

Check out the Rockford Fosgate T3S2-19 nineteen inch driver.
Ricci just tested it, and basically said it is the best single driver (not system) tested to date.
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...d=125&mset=137

More displacement than any other driver he's tested except for the 24" SI, and exceptionally low distortion. Negative? $2500 each driver.
But no other single driver has tapped out his K20 amp bridged --- this one managed to.

I'm thinking it'd be good basis for a 219RT. The driver has the ability to play up into the mid 300hz range -- which would mate well with your compression driver handling 360hz and up!



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Ricci brought that driver to Beast's house. It was incredible to say the least! I stared at it for like 15 minutes while it sat on the table.

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So @Jeff Permanian ,

Check out the Rockford Fosgate T3S2-19 nineteen inch driver.
Ricci just tested it, and basically said it is the best single driver (not system) tested to date.
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=s...d=125&mset=137

More displacement than any other driver he's tested except for the 24" SI, and exceptionally low distortion. Negative? $2500 each driver.
But no other single driver has tapped out his K20 amp bridged --- this one managed to.

I'm thinking it'd be good basis for a 219RT. The driver has the ability to play up into the mid 300hz range -- which would mate well with your compression driver handling 360hz and up!



Something new from JTR to keep rhed from thinking he's finished right? (BTW - nice system rhed, I'm definitely envious!)
The only thing holding them back is the price, although they are making at minimum, 1300$ profit on every driver, so I guess maybe they have it right LOL.

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The retail is 3500$ CDN for the AV60 but I can get the 7702 now for over $1380 less and actually bought my volt 6's and my new Rotel 1095 with the money saved buy going with the marantz vs the Anthem.... plus the anthem doesn't have true dual sub outs.... That just leaves me more room when I decide on what projector to upgrade too lol
Ah , OK.

I very much like the 7702Mk2 in my system.
Better than the 8801 I had before on normal surround ( Atmos will follow as soon as the speakers have arrived).
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Been going through some more Audyssey issues since treating my room. Pretty sure I have a crappy calibration as it was pinging multiple times on each speaker. Potentially bad mic as there wasn't much ambient and it's never done multiple ping sequences before.

With that being said, I toed in my 228s more than usually so they are pointed almost directly at head of MLP as opposed to strafing past each ear. I'm thinking this is attributing to some brightness and harshness. I'm getting ready to re-run Audyssey and am going to proactively move the 228 toe-in a little further apart.

My question is with the 60x60 dispersion of the horn, do most run with less toe-in?

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Been going through some more Audyssey issues since treating my room. Pretty sure I have a crappy calibration as it was pinging multiple times on each speaker. Potentially bad mic as there wasn't much ambient and it's never done multiple ping sequences before.

With that being said, I toed in my 228s more than usually so they are pointed almost directly at head of MLP as opposed to strafing past each ear. I'm thinking this is attributing to some brightness and harshness. I'm getting ready to re-run Audyssey and am going to proactively move the 228 toe-in a little further apart.

My question is with the 60x60 dispersion of the horn, do most run with less toe-in?

Thanks!
Nope, I have my 215RT's as wide as the room lets them and toe'd into the center seat.
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My room is 14 feet wide and I sit 13 feet away from the speakers and they are pointed right at me.

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Been going through some more Audyssey issues since treating my room. Pretty sure I have a crappy calibration as it was pinging multiple times on each speaker. Potentially bad mic as there wasn't much ambient and it's never done multiple ping sequences before.

With that being said, I toed in my 228s more than usually so they are pointed almost directly at head of MLP as opposed to strafing past each ear. I'm thinking this is attributing to some brightness and harshness. I'm getting ready to re-run Audyssey and am going to proactively move the 228 toe-in a little further apart.

My question is with the 60x60 dispersion of the horn, do most run with less toe-in?

Thanks!


Turn off all your EQ and play with the Toe-In to see what you like.


Some people like the horns crossed in front of their listening position. (helping to further avoid sound spray onto the walls) ---


When I had the 228HT - I liked them toed in directly to my in the center listening position or a little bit in front of my listening position - but I also didn't have any treatments in my room at the time. At my old place my room was very "live" and reflective.








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Some people like the horns crossed in front of their listening position. (helping to further avoid sound spray onto the walls)
There is also a secondary benefit, where crossing the horns a bit can grow the sweet spot.

It's a psychoacoustic trick where a slight volume boost from the far speaker (due to toe in) counteracts the precedence (Haas) effect from the near speaker. If you overdo it, the imaging at the MLP degrades, but in the right balance, the imaging stays intact, but with a nice big sweet spot.
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Turn off all your EQ and play with the Toe-In to see what you like.


Some people like the horns crossed in front of their listening position. (helping to further avoid sound spray onto the walls) ---


When I had the 228HT - I liked them toed in directly to my in the center listening position or a little bit in front of my listening position - but I also didn't have any treatments in my room at the time. At my old place my room was very "live" and reflective.









Okay so be honest, how much do you miss this old setup?....lol


I know I miss my old HT room a LOT!...lol
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I will be using Trespa as a mounting/backplate for the SL8 HT-LP.
Although a bit glossy it has a dimpled surface and complements the JTR finish.
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I will be using Trespa as a mounting/backplate for the SL8 HT-LP.
Although a bit glossy it has a dimpled surface and complements the JTR finish.
Are you using the keyholes to mount to the backplate?

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Are you using the keyholes to mount to the backplate?
Yes.
I have drilled the plates for nut or bolt to go into the keyholes.

The speaker will be fixed to the plate and the plate will be mounted to the ceiling ( 4 holes in corners ).
Trespa, 8mm, is very solid.
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And a large center hole in the Trespa backplate.
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And a large center hole in the Trespa backplate.
Yep...I used the keyholes as well mounted directly to the ceiling but on 2 of the 4 I had to go into the attic to mount 2x4's between the joists to screw into...wasn't fun.


Backplate looks nice.

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Okay so be honest, how much do you miss this old setup?....lol


I know I miss my old HT room a LOT!...lol
I REALLY loved this setup! No doubt!

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Yep...I used the keyholes as well mounted directly to the ceiling but on 2 of the 4 I had to go into the attic to mount 2x4's between the joists to screw into...wasn't fun.


Backplate looks nice.
I would be calling on the neighbours in your situation.
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Although the 8's are compact one can feel the heft.
Real JTR DNA.
I can hardly wait to fire them up.
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Although a bit glossy it has a dimpled surface and complements the JTR finish.
Nice solution ...

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Nice solution ...
Thanks.
I will use Regupol between plate and ceiling :http://www.akoestiekwinkel.nl/regupo...pelingsstroken
Four 2 inch squares on each corner and 4 squares more central on the plate.

It will control (some) resonance and allow the speakercable to go between plate and ceiling.

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I will use Regupol between plate and ceiling :http://www.akoestiekwinkel.nl/regupo...pelingsstroken
Four 2 inch squares on each corner and 4 squares more central on the plate.

It will control (some) resonance and allow the speakercable to go between plate and ceiling.
I did something similar. I placed some of this between the s8's and the ceiling:


http://www.auralex.com/product/studiofoam-dst-112/


I used 14" long strips of it and wedged it between the four sides and the ceiling. I used this because I have a bunch of it and it was easy to cut.

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You SOBs made me jealous so I had to call Jeff to get four slant8 LPs on order too....So I should be all JTR 7.2.4 by end of the month.

Seems excessive with the Trespa, auralex, etc. But I can see why for the aesthetics of it. I'm going to cut plywood (probably 1/2") and paint panels white to match ceiling. Long enough to span 2 joists with fostner hole in the center for wiring. 4 screws in the panel for keyhole mounting. Small 1"x2" brace strip painted color of ceiling as well; screw it into the plywood to prevent the keyholes/screws from disengaging. Easy-on and easy-off, only a couple hours of work, low-cost at maybe $40 total for all 4 speakers, and will camouflage with the ceiling to showcase only the speaker.
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Turn off all your EQ and play with the Toe-In to see what you like.


Some people like the horns crossed in front of their listening position. (helping to further avoid sound spray onto the walls) ---


When I had the 228HT - I liked them toed in directly to my in the center listening position or a little bit in front of my listening position - but I also didn't have any treatments in my room at the time. At my old place my room was very "live" and reflective.




This pic made me nostalgic for the good old days of my journey into HT. I seem to recall the floor above this ^ room was a bit compromised by a dual Orbit Shifter demo ...

Re the toe-in issue, I have tried every possible angle for the main speakers and always preferred the speakers "aimed" at or very close to the main LP. If I used the extreme toe-in suggested by some, it collapsed the sound stage and imaging of the mains for 2 channel listening. Maybe it works for MC, but with 2 channel ... not so much.

Here is an old pic of my room pre my contracting the JTR influenza. Note: the relative narrowness of the front wall space (13') as that may be a contributing factor to my lack of success with extreme toe-in.

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I tried something very similar using painted plywood. I am no carpenter, but I tried for hours trying to line up the keyholes to the plywood and I just could not get it to where I felt it would be "safe" to mount to the wall. I am sure somebody with better common sense than me would have done it in a snap, but again I just could not line it up that the speakers and screws sat flush in the keyholes. I hope you have better luck than me. I did not want to do it, but I winded up drilling into the cabs with the Axiom full metal brackets. If I go to sell them I will repair the holes, but I don't see myself selling them. My thought was, these speakers are meant to be wall mounted and I felt that the full metal brackets offered the best support.
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The Martian in DSU is spectacular for all you Atmos folks....just finished it. Ralph gave is a 5 star DSU rating and he's right.
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I tried something very similar using painted plywood. I am no carpenter, but I tried for hours trying to line up the keyholes to the plywood and I just could not get it to where I felt it would be "safe" to mount to the wall. I am sure somebody with better common sense than me would have done it in a snap, but again I just could not line it up that the speakers and screws sat flush in the keyholes. I hope you have better luck than me. I did not want to do it, but I winded up drilling into the cabs with the Axiom full metal brackets. If I go to sell them I will repair the holes, but I don't see myself selling them. My thought was, these speakers are meant to be wall mounted and I felt that the full metal brackets offered the best support.

I tried to mount the 8's to the plate today and could not attach them
securely.
Holes were aligned but nuts and bolts couldnt be tightened hard.

So I will use either Linn Brakits or Dynaudio's wall mount.

These will also allow some alignment on LP's.
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