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Why were you even thinking on selling the 215's? Space taken?
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Nice call Dave. I don't think I've ever heard this song.... it never fails anytime I go to some non metal I have to turn the bass way down on the 215's. I'm cranking this song with flat bass on the towers and it sounds GREAT!! Talk about filling the room with sound, wow!
Ah man the troubles of listening to metal! It's like a +7dB lift for me with metal and rock. Then a Dubstep track comes on and I am shaking insulation loose from the ceiling!!!
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Ah man the troubles of listening to metal! It's like a +7dB lift for me with metal and rock. Then a Dubstep track comes on and I am shaking insulation loose from the ceiling!!!

Exactly. The bass always has to be boosted so much more to sound right for hard rock and metal. If you boost that much for say Pink Floyd it's way too much.
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I would do that but I would give up 6dB from 80hz and up with the 215's compared to the 212's and I cross with the OS at 80hz, so I think it would be less powerful. Right?
You will give up nothing. You would have to adjust your volume to match the lack of sensitivity of the 215's vs the 212's but they have enough headroom that it would make no difference.

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For anyone that has the 215RM and uses Audyssey I would be curious to what Audyssey sets the 215RM's at. Jeff says they are flat to 32hz. I saw a post from dgage of coach's 215RM in room and it dropped like a rock at 60hz. I am thinking they had the crossover engaged. Here is the post:

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I use a Marantz 8801 and Audyssey sets the 215 RM's at full range. Its a blast to listen to them without the subs...they pound, especially with music...Bass Mekanik, Infected Mushroon, Deadmau5, etc. I can hit reference levels, plus.

When I want to watch a movie and really want to go nuts, I flip on the Submersives. Without subs, I can run everything full range, but I have to watch the amps as the 215's like the power.
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I use a Marantz 8801 and Audyssey sets the 215 RM's at full range. Its a blast to listen to them without the subs...they pound, especially with music...Bass Mekanik, Infected Mushroon, Deadmau5, etc. I can hit reference levels, plus.

When I want to watch a movie and really want to go nuts, I flip on the Submersives. Without subs, I can run everything full range, but I have to watch the amps as the 215's like the power.
My onkyo sets the 215RM at 40hz and the 215RT's at full.
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I use a Marantz 8801 and Audyssey sets the 215 RM's at full range. Its a blast to listen to them without the subs...they pound, especially with music...Bass Mekanik, Infected Mushroon, Deadmau5, etc. I can hit reference levels, plus.

When I want to watch a movie and really want to go nuts, I flip on the Submersives. Without subs, I can run everything full range, but I have to watch the amps as the 215's like the power.
Thanks.

I think @7channelfreak has the 215's also hopefully he will chime in too

I actually do have room for the 215RT's but am worried about the hieght of the horn. The center is at 47 inches and my ear height on the couch is 42 or so if sitting perfectly straight. Not sure if it matters or not. I wonder why Jeff didn't design them with the drivers a few inches lower but still keep the overall hieght for volume?
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Thanks.

I think @7channelfreak has the 215's also hopefully he will chime in too

I actually do have room for the 215RT's but am worried about the hieght of the horn. The center is at 47 inches and my ear height on the couch is 42 or so if sitting perfectly straight. Not sure if it matters or not. I wonder why Jeff didn't design them with the drivers a few inches lower but still keep the overall hieght for volume?
My 215RMs across the front are measured flat to 20 (REW) but I cross them at 60. I don't just listen to music as much as I use to but I could easily see me running them full without subs. When I've listened to music, I sometimes listen in the front row and others times in the 2nd. In the front, I'm 9 foot away with a center height of 53 inches (29 inch shelf over my S2). Second row is ten inches taller and back 5 feet. One day I need to take some measurements to compare. im not sure I detect any differences but I'd like to see some measurements.

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You will give up nothing. You would have to adjust your volume to match the lack of sensitivity of the 215's vs the 212's but they have enough headroom that it would make no difference.

If you listened at reference and both speakers could hit it in your room, the only difference would be the amount of power to get there.
yes, if reference was the goal that would be true, but we go way beyond reference over here. We have run the 212's to the limit with the LG (actually the LG was at its limit almost to clip, 2000 watts per channel) so yes, I would be losing 6dB of output above 80hz with the 215RT. While I don't do that often, why would I pay more for my LCR just to lose output capability above my XO point?
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I dunno lol I just like the 215s much more than I did the 212s. I always found my 212s to bright, where as the 215s I've found to be perfect.
I love the fact I don't have to turn on all my subs if I'm not watching a movie, I could never do that with the 212...
But thats why I bought them I've never felt like I'm missing anything and as we all should know, I listen at ear bleeding levels.... Once a week when the kid is at swimming lessons lol
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My 215RMs across the front are measured flat to 20 (REW) but I cross them at 60. I don't just listen to music as much as I use to but I could easily see me running them full without subs. When I've listened to music, I sometimes listen in the front row and others times in the 2nd. In the front, I'm 9 foot away with a center height of 53 inches (29 inch shelf over my S2). Second row is ten inches taller and back 5 feet. One day I need to take some measurements to compare. im not sure I detect any differences but I'd like to see some measurements.

I use Dirac through an 88a.
Thanks for the post. If I could get that kind of extension it would be a no brainier for me. The fact that some have them get set to 40hz scares me a bit. I already have the 210RT's and if the 215RM is not much of an upgrade it would not be worth it for me. I would think for sure the 215RT would be a nice step up in extension as well as size and $$$.
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For those of you that have the 215RT's, what is your seated ear height? I am at about 42 inches so the center of the CD on the 215RT would be 5 inches higher than my ear. Does this matter at all? I guess I could put my couch on a riser but would rather not. I would sit about 15ft from the speakers.

Trying to decide between 215RT's and 215RM's as an upgrade to my 210RT's (or don't upgrade at all).
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yes, if reference was the goal that would be true, but we go way beyond reference over here. We have run the 212's to the limit with the LG (actually the LG was at its limit almost to clip, 2000 watts per channel) so yes, I would be losing 6dB of output above 80hz with the 215RT. While I don't do that often, why would I pay more for my LCR just to lose output capability above my XO point?
Oh my god Lance. As you know I used to have all 212's for LRC and I never even came close to hitting their limits. I ran them off the AVR most of the time, but when I did use a powerful amp it was outside (ha, it was fun to see the drivers move for once).

Pushing the 212's to clipping an amp at 2000 watts inside is insane. However, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. Much respect.
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For those of you that have the 215RT's, what is your seated ear height? I am at about 42 inches so the center of the CD on the 215RT would be 5 inches higher than my ear. Does this matter at all? I guess I could put my couch on a riser but would rather not. I would sit about 15ft from the speakers.

Trying to decide between 215RT's and 215RM's as an upgrade to my 210RT's (or don't upgrade at all).
I'm about the same as you (I'm 6'5" with long legs so I sit short ) and although the difference is slight, I would prefer the horn to be a bit lower for 2 channel listening. I recline for movies and it doesn't seem to matter e.g. sounds great. If I were you I stay the course with the 210RT's unless you were considering subless then the 215's would make sense.
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I dunno lol I just like the 215s much more than I did the 212s. I always found my 212s to bright, where as the 215s I've found to be perfect.
I love the fact I don't have to turn on all my subs if I'm not watching a movie, I could never do that with the 212...
But thats why I bought them I've never felt like I'm missing anything and as we all should know, I listen at ear bleeding levels.... Once a week when the kid is at swimming lessons lol
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I'm about the same as you (I'm 6'5" with long legs so I sit short ) and although the difference is slight, I would prefer the horn to be a bit lower for 2 channel listening. I recline for movies and it doesn't seem to matter e.g. sounds great. If I were you I stay the course with the 210RT's unless you were considering subless then the 215's would make sense.
Agreed.. For me I've been just getting bass from the LCR runnin full range. I'd say they dig deep enough to satisfy everyone and put a grin (that didn't sound right..lol). But at times I jus wanna get nuts and engage the S2's.. Then I say to myself, "damm, that's some deep s**t!" But Im so friggn excited to go into ATMOS though.. Very curious what 4 210RT's would bring to the table as surrounds. And 4 slanted 8's as ATMOS.
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I'm about the same as you (I'm 6'5" with long legs so I sit short ) and although the difference is slight, I would prefer the horn to be a bit lower for 2 channel listening. I recline for movies and it doesn't seem to matter e.g. sounds great. If I were you I stay the course with the 210RT's unless you were considering subless then the 215's would make sense.
I would go sub less for 2 channel and probably would occasionally try it out with movies. I would watch concert blu Rays that way for sure. Doing this would solve the persistent 'what if' question.

Could you get around the CD height issue by slightly elevating the back of the 215RT's with something to angle the cd down?

Looking forward to @rhed getting his 210RT's. Maybe he will tell me there is no difference and save me some money
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Thanks for the post. If I could get that kind of extension it would be a no brainier for me. The fact that some have them get set to 40hz scares me a bit. I already have the 210RT's and if the 215RM is not much of an upgrade it would not be worth it for me. I would think for sure the 215RT would be a nice step up in extension as well as size and $$$.
So to be clear on my comment, the lowest the onkyo can go is 40hz, so its 40hz or full. Since the RM's don't reach all the way down in my room to 20hz I believe the 40hz setting is optimal.
I may try to run them at full I just haven't yet.

I agree with RMK here, if you have 210RT's (which I have heard) and subs then then there is very little left on the table between them an the 215RT. The only reason I ended up with 215's (RT/RM combo) was Jeff's moving sell. Your likely talking about 5% difference max.
On the horn to ear height subject, in measuring them at ear height vs my listening height there is very little difference in my room.
I'm really only using my subs for re-enforcement below 20Hz.

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So to be clear on my comment, the lowest the onkyo can go is 40hz, so its 40hz or full. Since the RM's don't reach all the way down in my room to 20hz I believe the 40hz setting is optimal.
I may try to run them at full I just haven't yet.

I agree with RMK here, if you have 210RT's (which I have heard) and subs then then there is very little left on the table between them an the 215RT. The only reason I ended up with 215's (RT/RM combo) was Jeff's moving sell. Your likely talking about 5% difference max.
On the horn to ear height subject, in measuring them at ear height vs my listening height there is very little difference in my room.
I'm really only using my subs for re-enforcement below 20Hz.
Thanks. I also have an onkyo. It sets my 210RT's at 40z also. If there isn't a difference between the extension of the 210RT and 215RM in my room it would really be a lateral move and not worth the extra cost.

I am confident the 215RT would be full range in my room - just not sure if it is worth the price difference from what I already have (210RT's) - if it caused me to never upgrade again then it would be worth it

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For those of you that have the 215RT's, what is your seated ear height? I am at about 42 inches so the center of the CD on the 215RT would be 5 inches higher than my ear. Does this matter at all? I guess I could put my couch on a riser but would rather not. I would sit about 15ft from the speakers.

Trying to decide between 215RT's and 215RM's as an upgrade to my 210RT's (or don't upgrade at all).
My front row is just about identical to your ear height plus I (also) recline. My second row is right at 48" so it's perfect with the center of the CD. However, I can't say I notice anything different between the front and back row...both sound very good to me.

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Oh my god Lance. As you know I used to have all 212's for LRC and I never even came close to hitting their limits. I ran them off the AVR most of the time, but when I did use a powerful amp it was outside (ha, it was fun to see the drivers move for once).

Pushing the 212's to clipping an amp at 2000 watts inside is insane. However, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. Much respect.
taking them outside would be fun. I wish I could make the outdoor KC event. My neighbor and I are considering 5 OS's and 3 212's (2000 watts each) for an outdoor party this year. Going to have to run a couple 30amp lines outside.
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taking them outside would be fun. I wish I could make the outdoor KC event. My neighbor and I are considering 5 OS's and 3 212's (2000 watts each) for an outdoor party this year. Going to have to run a couple 30amp lines outside.
I take mine outside 5-10 times a summer. There is No where in the neighborhood that they canny be heard. It is JTR at another level because you can be 3/4 mile away and make out every word as if they were in the next room and the clarity is at a level that cannot be done inside.
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Agreed.. For me I've been just getting bass from the LCR runnin full range. I'd say they dig deep enough to satisfy everyone and put a grin (that didn't sound right..lol). But at times I jus wanna get nuts and engage the S2's.. Then I say to myself, "damm, that's some deep s**t!" But Im so friggn excited to go into ATMOS though.. Very curious what 4 210RT's would bring to the table as surrounds. And 4 slanted 8's as ATMOS.
I can't even imagine how great multichannel music will sound with 3 215RT's and 4 210RT's . Hopefully you can run them all full range. Adding the S 8 overheads will make movie watching amazing. Talk about a sound bubble. You're redefining the limits there my friend.
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At what db do you guys put earplugs in? Not trying to go deaf over here.
It is tempting play these speakers at concert levels and there are several brave (perhaps not the best word to describe them ) souls that regularly do this. It is fun to feel as much as hear certain types of music. Given adequate power and enough space, there are few practical limits and it is always interesting to see how folks handle this. With great power, comes great responsibility.
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taking them outside would be fun. I wish I could make the outdoor KC event. My neighbor and I are considering 5 OS's and 3 212's (2000 watts each) for an outdoor party this year. Going to have to run a couple 30amp lines outside.
That would be a blast! You guys should do that. However, I would suggest OS Pro's instead of OS LFU's if that's the direction you were leaning.

A KC friend has dual Othorns and Macke's and brought them to his setup and the American Royal BBQ competition at Arrowhead Stadium last fall. There were a lot of people that had impressive setups but nothing could touch the bass we were putting out. The OS pros have even more output but don't dig as deep. The OS LFU has more extension than the Othorns but not as much output. You probably already know all of this.
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My CD is ear height in my second row too, and I've tried sitting on a barstool in the front row to see if I can tell any difference between being exactly ear height vs being a little below ear height. I can't tell the difference.
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That would be a blast! You guys should do that. However, I would suggest OS Pro's instead of OS LFU's if that's the direction you were leaning.

A KC friend has dual Othorns and Macke's and brought them to his setup and the American Royal BBQ competition at Arrowhead Stadium last fall. There were a lot of people that had impressive setups but nothing could touch the bass we were putting out. The OS pros have even more output but don't dig as deep. The OS LFU has more extension than the Othorns but not as much output. You probably already know all of this.
I love the idea of the OS pro. Wish I had some, maybe Jeff would bring a couple out. Otherwise line 5 of the LFU's up against the house and see what happends
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It is tempting play these speakers at concert levels and there are several brave (perhaps not the best word to describe them ) souls that regularly do this. It is fun to feel as much as hear certain types of music. Given adequate power and enough space, there are few practical limits and it is always interesting to see how folks handle this. With great power, comes great responsibility.
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Man I feel like such a girl....my normal movie watching volume is ~-15db...sometimes I'll venture closer to -10 but rarely do I get to single digits and have never ventured into + territory.
I hear you sister ...
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