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I still have my old SC09 haven't switch it out for the new 97 that's still in the box. And had the MCACC off since I had these speakers. So no EQ through avr applied. I'm hoping when I put the new avr with MCACC Pro that it'll do a better job then the old MCACC. When I do run the calibration with the new avr, I will turn off all EQ or DEQ and filters done in the Inukes. Then if need too, apply some boosting or cutting through the nukes.. Also I'm gonna pull out the anti mode dual core that EQed my subs out of the chain. Cause the new avr 97 has sub EQ built in. I'd like to get in to Jriver but I don't see any support for ATMOS just by reading up on it. I could be wrong though.

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If anyone has Tidal and love drum solos. I recommend this to run through your speakers. Or speakers and subs.. Tracks 2, 17, 19, 20, and 21.. And please crank it up!

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Has anyone else been getting email notifications of posts only to click on them and they are not there? Has happened at least 3-4 times to me over the past day unless people are deleting their own posts??
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On the Tone Control? eek, I tried that a little and it did NOT play well with my setup.
It doesn't make much difference in sound at all IMO.

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If anyone has Tidal and love drum solos. I recommend this to run through your speakers. Or speakers and subs.. Tracks 2, 17, 19, 20, and 21.. And please crank it up!

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Has anyone else been getting email notifications of posts only to click on them and they are not there? Has happened at least 3-4 times to me over the past day unless people are deleting their own posts??
Actually these are secret posts that can only be viewed by those of us who have at least 3000 posts in the Thread and they are often the most interesting and entertaining posts on the Forum.

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Actually these are secret posts that can only be viewed by those of us who have at least 3000 posts in the Thread and they are often the most interesting and entertaining posts on the Forum.

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LOL!!!

I can still read them in my email preview but they are gone when I click the link.

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Actually these are secret posts that can only be viewed by those of us who have at least 3000 posts in the Thread and they are often the most interesting and entertaining posts on the Forum.

Obviously you need to try harder.
Aren't you the only member of this secret club??
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Well, there is that ...
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Actually these are secret posts that can only be viewed by those of us who have at least 3000 posts in the Thread and they are often the most interesting and entertaining posts on the Forum.

Obviously you need to try harder.
Dang it.. I'm far from 3000.. I need to post more. What the hell do I talk about? Buy more speakers?
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Dang it.. I'm far from 3000.. I need to post more. What the hell do I talk about? Buy more speakers?
I think many of you are too focused on having something interesting to say. I just say anything that pops into my head. If there are days when my heads not poppin, I just post pics of my HT or dog.

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By now I have mounted and connected the S8 's.

I find the sound to be stunning.
Impact and transparancy is amazing.
However the overhead experience seems to be a bit less obvious.
I use Dolby demo's Amaze Horizon Shattered etc.
Whats the general experience with these demo's ?

Below is a pic of the Powersoft M20D that I am using to power the S8's.
Very , very slight fan noise at all sane levels.
I like the fact that finally I have an amp with gain adjust ( besides the subwoofer amps)
Setup with ADSY and the rest of the system was a snap because of this.
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By now I have mounted and connected the S8 's.

I find the sound to be stunning.
Impact and transparancy is amazing.
However the overhead experience seems to be a bit less obvious.
I use Dolby demo's Amaze Horizon Shattered etc.
Whats the general experience with these demo's ?
You want the overhead sound to be natural and appropriate, correct? I have found those Dolby Atmos demos to be a good way to experience 3D audio and the ceiling mounted speakers. The Bailando music video also takes advantage of the height channels. But like any surround effect, it needs to be appropriate to the scene you are viewing. If it seems underwhelming, you could try boosting the levels a bit.

Prior to my ceiling installation, my only Atmos experience was in a commercial theater. I find the Atmos @ home experience much more enjoyable than the commercial theater. For that matter, the entire audio experience is better at home ... by a good margin.
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You want the overhead sound to be natural and appropriate, correct? I have found those Dolby Atmos demos to be a good way to experience 3D audio and the ceiling mounted speakers. The Bailando music video also takes advantage of the height channels. But like any surround effect, it needs to be appropriate to the scene you are viewing. If it seems underwhelming, you could try boosting the levels a bit.

Prior to my ceiling installation, my only Atmos experience was in a commercial theater. I find the Atmos @ home experience much more enjoyable than the commercial theater. For that matter, the entire audio experience is better at home ... by a good margin.
Yes and in these departments its obviously better than non-Atmos. By a wide margin.

Experience is the right word for it.
There is an uncanny presence of sound.
The S8's blend so well and never seem to run out of steam.
I am already looking for more spots to mount some.
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S8's.
is that curtains track rail on the wall & ceiling?
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More likely to be something to hide cabling

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is that curtains track rail on the wall & ceiling?
Its aluminium scaffold tube and connectors.
I use it to lead cabling to the S8's.

To me it looks better than plastic cable trays.
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Just a question from you guys. I want to get atmos going in my theater, the problem is I cannot run or hide wires. Any wires will have to be exposed which is not a bad thing as I am usually the only one in there. What I want to know is, would I be able to use my existing fronts and rears that are mounted at the top of my wall as ceiling speakers? I mean I can leave them in place and then buy two new pair of S8's and use stands and run wires on the floor and tuck them away. So if anybody thinks this will work, I could either do a 5.4.2 where I could just add a pair of S8's on stands and leave the existing fronts and rears as my ceiling speakers or I could do a 7.2.2 where I could do a pair of S8's on stands, use the existing sides as ceiling speakers and then leave the rears as they were. I hope I am explaining this right as I am very tired, I have one open. Just some thoughts I had dancing around my head today. Thanks for any input here!

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I think that's a good idea reef. They would be in a closelocation anyways.
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Just a question from you guys. I want to get atmos going in my theater, the problem is I cannot run or hide wires. Any wires will have to be exposed which is not a bad thing as I am usually the only one in there. What I want to know is, would I be able to use my existing fronts and rears that are mounted at the top of my wall as ceiling speakers? I mean I can leave them in place and then buy two new pair of S8's and use stands and run wires on the floor and tuck them away. So if anybody thinks this will work, I could either do a 5.4.2 where I could just add a pair of S8's on stands and leave the existing fronts and rears as my ceiling speakers or I could do a 7.2.2 where I could do a pair of S8's on stands, use the existing sides as ceiling speakers and then leave the rears as they were. I hope I am explaining this right as I am very tired, I have one open. Just some thoughts I had dancing around my head today. Thanks for any input here!

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Where to start ...

Your surround speakers are mounted in positions that would work if you had base channels below them (at ear height). If you added another pair of side surrounds (S8LP's) then the current speakers could be designated as Top Middle (or Top Front) and Top Back for a 5.2.4 config. You don't have enough space behind your seats for surround backs anyway so I would designate those as Top Rear or Rear Height and see how that sounds.

I'm lucky to have an attic space above my room that makes the 4 ceiling setup options very flexible.
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To me and from what I gather on Dolby's Atmos setup guidelines
the surrounds and rears should be more or less on ear height
to fully benefit from the top layer speakers.

Yes you can mount ceiling S8's.
3D audio in itself is imo quite revolutionary since its the first format to add metadata on where objects/sound should be.
So you might not get the optimum , but my guess is you' ll still
get a major improvement in sound.
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Thanks for the replies guys! I may have a couple of other options for in ceiling speakers. I have to go through my pictures before I hung the sheetrock. I might be able to pull this off!!
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Regarding Atmos speakers, has anyone installed Single 8's flush within the ceiling/attic? Not just back of the speaker against the ceiling?
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Reef, the more channel separation you can do, the better. I started off adding the atmos in ceiling while keeping my bed channels in the corners aiming down. They were not far enough apart that the effect was mostly lost. Bring the sides down to ear height helped that out tremendously.
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Regarding Atmos speakers, has anyone installed Single 8's flush within the ceiling/attic? Not just back of the speaker against the ceiling?
I've talked to Jeff about a custom S8 that would be an attic mount with a near flush finish as I have a star mural on my ceiling. I was looking to have the woofer and port pushed out 5/8 inch so that would be flush with the Sheetrock and use the weight of the cabinet to just rest on top of the Sheetrock in the ceiling. I will go this route one day but haven't pulled the trigger (yet).

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I've talked to Jeff about a custom S8 that would be an attic mount with a near flush finish as I have a star mural on my ceiling. I was looking to have the woofer and port pushed out 5/8 inch so that would be flush with the Sheetrock and use the weight of the cabinet to just rest on top of the Sheetrock in the ceiling. I will go this route one day but haven't pulled the trigger (yet).
That's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. If I go down that I'll let you know how it goes. Thank you.
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Reef, the more channel separation you can do, the better. I started off adding the atmos in ceiling while keeping my bed channels in the corners aiming down. They were not far enough apart that the effect was mostly lost. Bring the sides down to ear height helped that out tremendously.
I agree. I know your room sounded great. I also remember Andrews room at how good the surrounds sounded at ear height. I think I am going to go with a 7.4.2 set up or 9.4.2. I am going to do 4 over head, two sides and If they will work I will mount the rear SS8's to the front. Only problem is the 215RT's are so tall, they may not work above them. Going to have to look at it. I have some time off in April, so that is my target date for the renovation. I have to shoot you a PM to ask a question.
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I was able to get Dirac Live working with 16 channels of audio. This would work for someone wanting to use Dirac Live for their JTR Atmos system. The downside is that it costs more than two miniDSP DDRC-88A's, but it has the highest quality A/D and D/A conversion. I don't have the filter loaded in the screenshot below.



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