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Old 03-28-2016, 07:46 AM
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With my HT i would have to be the one speaker horizontal underneath my TV and the other L / R would go on top of my subs.
Don't underestimate their size. The 228 is still an a$$ kicking 75 lbs. Sure it can go sideways. Maybe a little more difficult with a much larger 212......Funny picture when I received my first 228HT for construction and testing.....

If that doesn't say something about the build quality and design efforts, well then I'm not sure what else does!

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that is huge ! I guess i could make it work being horizontal underneath my TV but wow

this is my current HT 1st HT room

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that is huge ! I guess i could make it work being horizontal underneath my TV but wow

this is my current HT 1st HT room
In fairness I believe the Silver center is 1x2x3 (hwd) larger than the bronze center. But the 228 is 6.5x5x5 larger than the silver center. So the difference isn't quite as absurd as my comparison pic. Looking at your HT pic, I would think the 228 would fit under the wall-mounted TV.
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If I'm going 100% HT is it even worth getting the better JTR ? like the 228 vs 212
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For 100% theater, my vote would be for the 228's. The 212's are amazing but not worth an extra $1000/speaker for just HT. Not sure what your budget is or what subs you have. Save the $3k (LCR?) and get a S2 or OS.
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For 100% theater, my vote would be for the 228's. The 212's are amazing but not worth an extra $1000/speaker. Not sure what your budget is or what subs you have. Save the $3k (LCR?) and get a S2 or OS.
well my budget is less the better = ]

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For 100% theater, my vote would be for the 228's. The 212's are amazing but not worth an extra $1000/speaker for just HT. Not sure what your budget is or what subs you have. Save the $3k (LCR?) and get a S2 or OS.

David, We now have the Noesis 212HT (2-way) which is only $500 more, the Noesis 212HTR (3-way) is $1000 more.
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I think we both know it is just a matter of time and then we will all be scrambling to sell out 215's - which will not be easy to do!

I plan (hope) on these being my last set of speakers for at least 10 years
LOL 10 years?? You know there is nobody on here keeping their speakers for 10 years, at least not the guys I know. I am doing pretty good so far as I have had my 212HT's since I guess 2012? and I still have the 215RT's. It has been close though, I almost let the 215RT's go a couple of times, but a really good movie with a great sound track fixes that thought. I do know for sure if Jeff comes out with something new from scratch on the 215RT level, I am in!
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David, We now have the Noesis 212HT (2-way) which is only $500 more, the Noesis 212HTR (3-way) is $1000 more.
So for HT only ur saying its worth the extra $500 and get the 212HT instead of the 228HT?
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So for HT only ur saying its worth the extra $500 and get the 212HT instead of the 228HT?

IMO it depends on what crossover you need in your room with your sub(s) position. You should use whatever crossover gives you the smoothest response, and if that happens to be below 80 hz then the 212's make more sense. Also if you are planning on just using an AVR to power the LRC speakers then I'd go with the 212's.
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LOL 10 years?? You know there is nobody on here keeping their speakers for 10 years, at least not the guys I know. I am doing pretty good so far as I have had my 212HT's since I guess 2012? and I still have the 215RT's. It has been close though, I almost let the 215RT's go a couple of times, but a really good movie with a great sound track fixes that thought. I do know for sure if Jeff comes out with something new from scratch on the 215RT level, I am in!
Well - I would have to delete my account here and never check Jeff's website!

Can it get much better than the 215RT's? Even if he comes out with a 218, how much lower can it go? Maybe if they were sealed and could hit single digits but then it would have to be really huge!
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Jeff has the 215RT on sale for $2999 and the 215RM for $2699 through April 15th.

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Well - I would have to delete my account here and never check Jeff's website!

Can it get much better than the 215RT's? Even if he comes out with a 218, how much lower can it go? Maybe if they were sealed and could hit single digits but then it would have to be really huge!
It's difficult to "put the pipe down" for the addicted, but the law of diminishing returns applies to virtually all of the JTR products. You can find different sounding speakers and perhaps subjectively better sounding but the reality is that these are very well engineered and produce a distortion free sound that can be tailored to any room or taste. Once you have a speaker capable of playing the full audible frequency range @ reference level with minimal distortion, using AVR level power, you are very close to as good as it gets. The grass is always greener but at their price point you simply won't find a speaker with a better combination of cabinet construction, passive crossover design and driver quality than the JTR speaker lineup. Treating the room and learning how to use DSP is the way to tailor the sound to your taste and it is only by tweaking that you can find out what sound best suits your taste.

I am always tempted to try Jeff's new CD's and woofers (he is a very talented driver designer) but experience has taught me that the differences will be so slight as to be objectively imperceptible. So I stay the course and continue to enjoy the first 3 215RT's to come off of the assembly line. I know that any changes I make to my speakers will be due to hobbyist curiosity rather than dissatisfaction with sound quality (or quantity). That's a good place to be in any hobby.

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So for HT only ur saying its worth the extra $500 and get the 212HT instead of the 228HT?

That's totally up to you. The benefits of the 212 is that it goes lower (can use lower crossover), is 3db more sensitive (need half the power for same output) and the larger horn.
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That's totally up to you. The benefits of the 212 is that it goes lower (can use lower crossover), is 3db more sensitive (need half the power for same output) and the larger horn.
I know you actually make the speakers and all... but when I had the 228's in my room I had to turn up the trims 5.5 db's to match the 212's, not 3 db's.
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It's difficult to "put the pipe down" for the addicted, but the law of diminishing returns applies to virtually all of the JTR products. You can find different sounding speakers and perhaps subjectively better sounding but the reality is that these are very well engineered and produce a distortion free sound that can be tailored to any room or taste. Once you have a speaker capable of playing the full audible frequency range @ reference level with minimal distortion, using AVR level power, you are very close to as good as it gets. The grass is always greener but at their price point you simply won't find a speaker with a better combination of cabinet construction, passive crossover design and driver quality than the JTR speaker lineup. Treating the room and learning how to use DSP is the way to tailor the sound to your taste and it is only by tweaking that you can find out what sound best suits your taste.

I am always tempted to try Jeff's new CD's and woofers (he is a very talented driver designer) but experience has taught me that the differences will be so slight as to be objectively imperceptible. So I stay the course and continue to enjoy the first 3 215RT's to come off of the assembly line. I know that any changes I make to my speakers will be due to hobbyist curiosity rather than dissatisfaction with sound quality (or quantity). That's a good place to be in any hobby.
I'm with you, normally I would have been first in line to upgrade but now? I doubt I'd even be able to tell the difference. For the first time in my life, I have no wamt to upgrade my Mai. Speakers lol

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I'm with you, normally I would have been first in line to upgrade but now? I doubt I'd even be able to tell the difference. For the first time in my life, I have no wamt to upgrade my Mai. Speakers lol

I'm with you guys. Looks like the first 3 pairs sold are staying put.
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Well - I would have to delete my account here and never check Jeff's website!

Can it get much better than the 215RT's? Even if he comes out with a 218, how much lower can it go? Maybe if they were sealed and could hit single digits but then it would have to be really huge!
I was only kidding, but allot of the original guys that have been on here for years have all moved up time and again. I mean Triple 8's, Triple 12's, 212HT Noesis and just when you thought the 212HT was your last speaker BAM! the 215RT arrives and we all fold like dominos LOL. I myself think that Jeff has another speaker in him that will catch us all off guard in the not to distant future. What I was alluding to in my post was that if Jeff comes out with a completely new design on the 215RT level, I would certainly be interested. I mean who knows, new waveguide, drivers maybe a super CD and new crossover design. A 218RT would probably not be a speaker I would move out of mine for, but something like a 315X2CD RT would have me very interested. As of right now I am content, but I am sub shopping. I am thinking about a pair of S1's or S2's or the new caps. I pulled my subs from the living room to the theater and I am liking it. I am going to stay with the subs with the 215RT's for now.
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IMO it depends on what crossover you need in your room with your sub(s) position. You should use whatever crossover gives you the smoothest response, and if that happens to be below 80 hz then the 212's make more sense. Also if you are planning on just using an AVR to power the LRC speakers then I'd go with the 212's.
i have 2 FV15Hp and XPA 3 so i guess i'll just go with the 228HT
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i'll just go with the 228HT

We have them in stock
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i have 2 FV15Hp and XPA 3 so i guess i'll just go with the 228HT
Why not 228htr? I know it also meant for music but isnt 80-90% of movies content is music background,no?
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Why not 228htr? I know it also meant for music but isnt 80-90% of movies content is music background,no?
budget is really the only reason... Plus if i consider the 228HTR id have to consider getting the 212HT instead.
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Well - I would have to delete my account here and never check Jeff's website!

Can it get much better than the 215RT's? Even if he comes out with a 218, how much lower can it go? Maybe if they were sealed and could hit single digits but then it would have to be really huge!
A long stroke 18" driver will have difficulty crossing high enough to even the coaxial BMS. I'm not saying it's impossible, and there certainly are some out there that can do it, but it really isn't a design improvement by any means. You guys keep dreamin of that fridgerator sized 218....

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I was only kidding, but allot of the original guys that have been on here for years have all moved up time and again. I mean Triple 8's, Triple 12's, 212HT Noesis and just when you thought the 212HT was your last speaker BAM! the 215RT arrives and we all fold like dominos LOL. I myself think that Jeff has another speaker in him that will catch us all off guard in the not to distant future. What I was alluding to in my post was that if Jeff comes out with a completely new design on the 215RT level, I would certainly be interested. I mean who knows, new waveguide, drivers maybe a super CD and new crossover design. A 218RT would probably not be a speaker I would move out of mine for, but something like a 315X2CD RT would have me very interested. As of right now I am content, but I am sub shopping. I am thinking about a pair of S1's or S2's or the new caps. I pulled my subs from the living room to the theater and I am liking it. I am going to stay with the subs with the 215RT's for now.
Dave bro, sub shopping? You just let two ridiculously solid ported primates out your door and now you want something back again? Haha....Get your wife to check your meds homey!
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Dave don't worry, I just Sold 4 of my FTW 21s and amd gonna have Jeff send me another OS pro. Lol I just Sold the horns and straight to more horns...
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Can the Slanted 8HT stand on it's own if placed on a shelf or would it face-plant?
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I don't think so looking at mine. They might sit there but the angle would suck up or down. Not really ideal.

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