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Problem with this is that they are ALWAYS out of stock. I have followed these for months at a time in the past year.
I have seen them on other sites that I believe were in the UK. Could look there but would take a long to receive them being shipping form a UK store, not to mention the cost, but an option.

I am intrigued by the talk of these the last few days or the routing the LFE and would love to dig into this and may at some point, but I am pretty happy with what I am achieving by crossing them with subs for movies. IMO I am getting all the benefits of 212HT's or HTR's as they are now, but with the added mid bass the 215RT's give and also the use my sealed subs. It is a massive front sound stage. I don't listen all that loud as I have said my room is tiny compared to most of you guys and it just fills up quick with sound. I know it is a rookie mistake, but I noticed my subs were lacking and was trouble shooting to see what was holding them back and finally figured out that I had them set to LFE+mains. Unchecked that and man the subs came to life quick. Cut them back a whole bunch. Problem solved. Actually sounds much better as I A&B'd for a bit and prefered that the subs just handled the LFE. Be curious to play with that some more with some DSP work.

Just watched a trailer for a movie coming in November that looks really good. I am not really a fan of Andrew Garfield and curious how he will do in this role. Again looks really good. Thought I would share.


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Will an AVR route the LFE to the mains and the center channel when adjusted for no subwoofers? If so then you could just use the AVR's tone control too boost the bass. The Emotiva XMC-1's tone control allows users to even adjust the frequency it operates at. Something like the NanoAVR will route LFE to any of the front channels and allow users to set a highpass.
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This stuff confuses me to no end. I know my system has more potential but the idiot in me prevails. Plug and play is all I've got!!
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Will an AVR route the LFE to the mains and the center channel when adjusted for no subwoofers? If so then you could just use the AVR's tone control too boost the bass. The Emotiva XMC-1's tone control allows users to even adjust the frequency it operates at.
On my Denon 4311ci, I tried doing this but from my testing it did not appear to be really getting LFE.

I tested with the opening scene of the light cycle- grid scene in TRON, using two different sets of settings:
1. LCR all set to Large, Subwoofers set to no subs. On the 215RTS, I set a +6db low shelf filter at 20Hz on the crown amps to help boost the low end
2. Subwoofers set to 1 sub, running a Captivator S1

The part where the cycle is first deployed and it hits the ground- you can hear and feel the impact with the S1 in play. With LCR set to large, no subs that impact is definitely missing. This leads me to believe the receiver isn't really re-routing LFE.


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Something like the NanoAVR will route LFE to any of the front channels and allow users to set a highpass.
So looking at MiniDSP's website nanoavr-HD has bass management capabilities but the nanoavr-DL DOES NOT. So in order to route LFE AND provide the dirac room correction, It appears I would need both a nanoAVR-HD or Motu combined with a nano-AVR DL... or alternatively, a DDRC-88A along with the DDRC-88BM plugin which allows for bass management

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On my Denon 4311ci, I tried doing this but from my testing it did not appear to be really getting LFE.

I tested with the opening scene of the light cycle- grid scene in TRON, using two different sets of settings:
1. LCR all set to Large, Subwoofers set to no subs. On the 215RTS, I set a +6db low shelf filter at 20Hz on the crown amps to help boost the low end
2. Subwoofers set to 1 sub, running a Captivator S1

The part where the cycle is first deployed and it hits the ground- you can hear and feel the impact with the S1 in play. With LCR set to large, no subs that impact is definitely missing. This leads me to believe the receiver isn't really re-routing LFE.

So looking at MiniDSP's website nanoavr-HD has bass management capabilities but the nanoavr-DL DOES NOT. So in order to route LFE AND provide the dirac room correction, It appears I would need both a nanoAVR-HD or Motu combined with a nano-AVR DL...
The test people had been doing is use a 5.1 test disc, play the lfe track and listen if it is coming out of the mains. Have you had a chance to measure your in room response? Have you tried boosting 80hz and below?
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I haven't. I bet it could be done though. I hate to even ask in the 88A thread because the experts in there how it's done will crucify you if you even hint that you would want to run your mains large... much less send the LFE channel to them!!
Carp if you already have the 88a and 88BM plugin it looks like you should be able to route the LFE: https://www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-series/ddrc-88bm


...so now go try it out quick and report back before I pull the trigger on this stuff! haha

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Speakers set to large and subwoofers off and LFE is sent to the mains on my 4520 and X7200WA. Only problem is that I think when Audyssey is on you cannot use the tone tone controls, only when Audy is off. I may be wrong though.

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Speakers set to large and subwoofers off and LFE is sent to the mains on my 4520 and X7200WA. Only problem is that I think when Audyssey is on you cannot use the tone tone controls, only when Audy is off. I may be wrong though.
I just tried this with my Onkyo SC 5509 pre pro using the onmi mic DVD disc. I set my LCR 215RT's to full range and turned off the subs and played the tracks. The LFE came out of the left and right mains but not the center. Kind of disappointing that the LFE isn't routed to the center also, although I could easily do it using my mini DSP 10x10. I may try it this weekend.
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Carp if you already have the 88a and 88BM plugin it looks like you should be able to route the LFE: https://www.minidsp.com/products/dirac-series/ddrc-88bm


...so now go try it out quick and report back before I pull the trigger on this stuff! haha

I would but I'm finding it hard to leave the porch today. Nicest July day in a long time!







That and I'm recovering from Lasik. Eyes get sore, so they are shut most of the time.
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I would but I'm finding it hard to leave the porch today. Nicest July day in a long time!







That and I'm recovering from Lasik. Eyes get sore, so they are shut most of the time.
No JTR's on the deck?

I best some S8's would work nice there
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I best some S8's would work nice there

Ha, I've got some 30 dollar (per pair...) best buy specials. I think I'd be paranoid if I had something expensive out here that they might get stolen. The TV would be a lot harder to remove.

Still... yeah... some nice speakers out here would be great. We did some speaker comparisons out here at a GTG at the sound quality is very nice.
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On my Denon 4311ci, I tried doing this but from my testing it did not appear to be really getting LFE.

I tested with the opening scene of the light cycle- grid scene in TRON, using two different sets of settings:
1. LCR all set to Large, Subwoofers set to no subs. On the 215RTS, I set a +6db low shelf filter at 20Hz on the crown amps to help boost the low end
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The part where the cycle is first deployed and it hits the ground- you can hear and feel the impact with the S1 in play. With LCR set to large, no subs that impact is definitely missing. This leads me to believe the receiver isn't really re-routing LFE.



So looking at MiniDSP's website nanoavr-HD has bass management capabilities but the nanoavr-DL DOES NOT. So in order to route LFE AND provide the dirac room correction, It appears I would need both a nanoAVR-HD or Motu combined with a nano-AVR DL... or alternatively, a DDRC-88A along with the DDRC-88BM plugin which allows for bass management

Ryan, I can guarantee you have your S1 boosted compared to the mains, that's why. If you calibrate the S1 flat with the mains that would be a better comparison but still it would be very room dependent on which would sound better and give more impact.
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Ha, I've got some 30 dollar (per pair...) best buy specials. I think I'd be paranoid if I had something expensive out here that they might get stolen. The TV would be a lot harder to remove.

Still... yeah... some nice speakers out here would be great. We did some speaker comparisons out here at a GTG at the sound quality is very nice.
I bought a pair of Yamaha outdoor speakers for $250ish 8 years ago, still work great through all the heat, cold and rain. Would take 2 seconds to steal. They are pretty hidden though.
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I would but I'm finding it hard to leave the porch today. Nicest July day in a long time!







That and I'm recovering from Lasik. Eyes get sore, so they are shut most of the time.
I would think that Orion on the 215's would provide a nice soothing eye message.
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I would think that Orion on the 215's would provide a nice soothing eye message.


Made it down to the basement. Listening to the newest Maiden album. Something has never sounded right with the production on the album to me. Sounds dead. Not as bad as Dance of Death, but still not so great. Too bad...
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I can only listen to it in the car, like a lot of my CD's. If they sound good in the car they usuallysound poor in the house.

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Ha, yeah, my car has decent factory infinity speakers but everything sounds the same. You can't tell good production from bad. I guess that's a good thing too though..
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I put JL Audio speakers in my car, I drive 135 mi/day to and from work. With the terrible DC drivers I need something to keep meverything from going batcrap crazy.

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I would but I'm finding it hard to leave the porch today. Nicest July day in a long time!







That and I'm recovering from Lasik. Eyes get sore, so they are shut most of the time.
September will be a year since I had my Lasik. So glad I had it done. Just wish I had done it sooner. I was home from the clinic by 3pm Friday and up and at work 5am Saturday with 20/20 vision
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