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Technically yes. Every a/d d/a conversion will degrade the signal a bit.

A lot of guys will swear you cannot notice.

I'm not a fan of the inuke. All amps do not sound the same to me. Especially the cheap class d with built in dsp. I've owned many and ended up selling them all. I'm not alone in this opinion either. Ymmv.
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I stumbled on to the Newport audio show from June as I was looking around for some upcoming shows and info for RMAF as I would like to go this year. I found these speakers on the Newport page LOL. I don't know what they are, but look like the Terminator speakers. I think they are pretty cool, but probably don't sound cool.
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I see a lot of people here running Crowns and iNukes but don't see much mention of QSC amps. I've never run a pro amp before. I'm still pretty new to running seperates period. Are the QSC amps any good?


I'm running PL and PLX series. They do very well. PL380 at 2ohms is very stable and runs with plenty of headroom. Other than Crown Macrotech and Lab Gs these PL series are comparable and in same league. They have several lines, the PL is my reference point. Hope this helps.

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Does the A/D D/A conversions matter as much for subwoofer frequencies? I have a minidsp 2x4 that I would like to keep and use the inuke 6000dsp to power the passive subwoofers. With the 88a,2x4 and the 6000dsp I will have 3 conversions total

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Technically yes. Every a/d d/a conversion will degrade the signal a bit.

A lot of guys will swear you cannot notice.

I'm not a fan of the inuke. All amps do not sound the same to me. Especially the cheap class d with built in dsp. I've owned many and ended up selling them all. I'm not alone in this opinion either. Ymmv.

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Does the A/D D/A conversions matter as much for subwoofer frequencies? I have a minidsp 2x4 that I would like to keep and use the inuke 6000dsp to power the passive subwoofers. With the 88a,2x4 and the 6000dsp I will have 3 conversions total
That's a lot of conversions. I wouldn't want to run that way. Each dsp adds latency too which could become an issue.

Test it out and let us know.
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Thanks, didn't think about the latencies. I might have to eliminate the 2x4 and use the 88bm firmware since I have 4 empty ports that I could use.
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That's a lot of conversions. I wouldn't want to run that way. Each dsp adds latency too which could become an issue.

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I have cranked them pretty good and no problems whatsoever, I cannot hear them at any volume and my HT room gets pretty warm.
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I am thinking of switching my Inukes for the CC4000. Still no noise issues? That would be a deal breaker for me.

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I am thinking of switching my Inukes for the CC4000. Still no noise issues? That would be a deal breaker for me.

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I was looking at the CC4000 also. The Speaker Power SP4-2800 was another. The D-Sonic should be great for my little room. Hopefully get in the theater tomorrow and get it set up.
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I was looking at the CC4000 also. The Speaker Power SP4-2800 was another. The D-Sonic should be great for my little room. Hopefully get in the theater tomorrow and get it set up.
I found a local shop that sells the CC4000 for $635 so that is looking attractive assuming it is a quiet amp. I don't want to be buying another amp for many years. The DAC Marishino amps are tempting too but i would have to save up longer for those. I am thinking either of these choices would put out more power than my bridged inuke 3000's.
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I am thinking of switching my Inukes for the CC4000. Still no noise issues? That would be a deal breaker for me.

--Ray
No issues whatsoever, no fan noise either at any volume and significantly more powerful than the Emotiva XPR-5 I sold to get these. I do like the ACL clipping indicators so I know when the amp has hit it's limits. I have played them really loudly (for me) and still have not hit their limits, I love these amps. It's really nice knowing I have the headroom with these amps for anytime I get the system going pretty loudly.


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I found a local shop that sells the CC4000 for $635 so that is looking attractive assuming it is a quiet amp. I don't want to be buying another amp for many years. The DAC Marishino amps are tempting too but i would have to save up longer for those. I am thinking either of these choices would put out more power than my bridged inuke 3000's.
That is steal right there. I would have done that if I would have found that price as I needed 2 of them. Ebay had a ton of them used in the $700 range. The best I could find was $999 I should have called as I know that is not the price. I am just curious why Crown does not have more 3 channel choices. I looked high and low and I don't even think they make one?
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That is steal right there. I would have done that if I would have found that price as I needed 2 of them. Ebay had a ton of them used in the $700 range. The best I could find was $999 I should have called as I know that is not the price. I am just curious why Crown does not have more 3 channel choices. I looked high and low and I don't even think they make one?
The place near me is Northern Light and Sound. They ship anywhere.

Full Compass would match their price too.

Still curious about the 60v Marashino amp but don't understand how they rate their power. Says 400w continuous at 4 ohms and 22db of gain but not sure how that compares to the CC4000 or an inuke.
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The place near me is Northern Light and Sound. They ship anywhere.

Full Compass would match their price too.

Still curious about the 60v Marashino amp but don't understand how they rate their power. Says 400w continuous at 4 ohms and 22db of gain but not sure how that compares to the CC4000 or an inuke.
I was looking at the D-Sonic 7 channel 1500X2 800X1 400X4, the more I thought about it, I just don't need all that. I was just going to run my Denon in preamp mode and let this monster handle the power. The Denon X7200WA does a nice job handling the surround and actually does a nice job with most speakers and the S8's are efficient enough, they don't need all that power. When it is time to upgrade processors, I will go this route, but no hurry right now as the Denon is excellent IMO. Next time around will be the Anthem AVM60 or the next gen XMC-1, if that ever happens. I was told there is paperwork on it.
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I found a local shop that sells the CC4000 for $635 so that is looking attractive assuming it is a quiet amp. I don't want to be buying another amp for many years. The DAC Marishino amps are tempting too but i would have to save up longer for those. I am thinking either of these choices would put out more power than my bridged inuke 3000's.
Yeah that is a killer price! That's about the price I paid supposedly at "dealer cost" from the A/V distributor I deal with lol! Probably cost me more because I had to pay California state taxes! One place that was recommended to me was audiosavings.com as I knew I would save the tax money but i could never get through to them on the phone and it took them days to return an email inquiry about the Crest amps so I felt very uncomfortable with them.


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Yeah that is a killer price! That's about the price I paid supposedly at "dealer cost" from the A/V distributor I deal with lol! Probably cost me more because I had to pay California state taxes! One place that was recommended to me was audiosavings.com as I knew I would save the tax money but i could never get through to them on the phone and it took them days to return an email inquiry about the Crest amps so I felt very uncomfortable with them.
I will have to pay tax also which will bring it up to the cost of audio saving.com but with this place being local I would rather buy from them in case I have a problem.
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I will have to pay tax also which will bring it up to the cost of audio saving.com but with this place being local I would rather buy from them in case I have a problem.
Yes I totally get that which is why i ended up getting them here as we have been buying from them for many many years so as you say if there is a problem i can work with people I know and trust. These CC4000's seem to be built really well. I have them on an undedicated 20A circuit with (1) CC4000 and (2) CC4000's on another 20A undedicated circuit and have really cranked them up and have not tripped a circuit yet!


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Are you planning to use this fullrange on the 215RT's? Brian with SpeakerPower tested the 3-channel Pascal module used in the DSonic amp and found it produced close to the spec'd output with one channel tested at 1 kHz. However, with that one channel, output dropped 48% by 40 Hz, 59% by 30 Hz, and 84% by 20 Hz. Just wanted you to be aware in case you start bumping into limits.
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Yes I totally get that which is why i ended up getting them here as we have been buying from them for many many years so as you say if there is a problem i can work with people I know and trust. These CC4000's seem to be built really well. I have them on an undedicated 20A circuit with (1) CC4000 and (2) CC4000's on another 20A undedicated circuit and have really cranked them up and have not tripped a circuit yet!
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I stumbled on to the Newport audio show from June as I was looking around for some upcoming shows and info for RMAF as I would like to go this year. I found these speakers on the Newport page LOL. I don't know what they are, but look like the Terminator speakers. I think they are pretty cool, but probably don't sound cool.
I met the guy that builds these and heard them at Axpona a few years back.
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I find all of this amp chat interesting. Having had a LG FP10000Q (@ $5K+) to drive the 215RT's and now use the lowly regarded Inuke to do the same job, I am mystified by all of the amp switching that goes on here (wasn't the KC amp test proof enough?). Now if you have a 10,000+CF HT space and like to listen at reference + levels then maybe I could understand but in a normal HT space, at normal volumes it just isn't necessary to have that much power (the LG was overkill).

That said, I came very close to spending way too much for the Cherry amps after "hearing them" at RMAF. We are all susceptible to the cool factor but what I heard was the 210RT's doing their thing well setup and powered. Sorry DD but I know from personal experience that they probably would have sounded just as good with a couple of $400 Inukes.

IMHO (see my sig) those who hear sound differences in amps are reading between the lines and simply have an upgrade itch that needs scratching.
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I find all of this amp chat interesting. Having had a LG FP10000Q (@ $5K+) to drive the 215RT's and now use the lowly regarded Inuke to do the same job, I am mystified by all of the amp switching that goes on here (wasn't the KC amp test proof enough?). Now if you have a 10,000+CF HT space and like to listen at reference + levels then maybe I could understand but in a normal HT space, at normal volumes it just isn't necessary to have that much power (the LG was overkill).

That said, I came very close to spending way too much for the Cherry amps after "hearing them" at RMAF. We are all susceptible to the cool factor but what I heard was the 210RT's doing their thing well setup and powered. Sorry DD but I know from personal experience that they probably would have sounded just as good with a couple of $400 Inukes.

IMHO (see my sig) those who hear sound differences in amps are reading between the lines and simply have an upgrade itch that needs scratching.


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I just stumbled upon PowerSoundAudio's subs, and did some quick research...

From what i see, it seems their V3600i (dual 18 inch drivers) is delivering more output than the Orbit shifter... is this even possible? Their amp is only 1700W...

I am using data-base's readings for the Orbit Shifter LFU:

31hz - 125db
40hz - 128.1
50hz - 129.1
63hz - 131.4
80hz - 134.8
100hz - 136.7

PowerSoundAudio's Sub
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31hz-50hz (they rate it at 132dB)
63hz-100hz (they rate it at 136dB)

Am I reading something wrong here?

I didn't think anything can beat the OS...
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What class are these amps? I didn't see it in their literature
From the .pdf I have it says a "switchedrail class H"


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I just stumbled upon PowerSoundAudio's subs, and did some quick research...

From what i see, it seems their V3600i (dual 18 inch drivers) is delivering more output than the Orbit shifter... is this even possible? Their amp is only 1700W...

I am using data-base's readings for the Orbit Shifter LFU:

31hz - 125db
40hz - 128.1
50hz - 129.1
63hz - 131.4
80hz - 134.8
100hz - 136.7

PowerSoundAudio's Sub
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...47931289366374

31hz-50hz (they rate it at 132dB)
63hz-100hz (they rate it at 136dB)

Am I reading something wrong here?

I didn't think anything can beat the OS...
I don't think your reading it wrong, I think it was just claimed incorrectly. Let's see the data-bass numbers on the PSA. Do they have any, if so I missed them. I didn't see anything on data bass from PSA that made it to 121dB at any freq. ???
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I don't think your reading it wrong, I think it was just claimed incorrectly. Let's see the data-bass numbers on the PSA. Do they have any, if so I missed them. I didn't see anything on data bass from PSA that made it to 121dB at any freq. ???
Those data-base PSA are their oldest models.. a year or more back perhaps.. these are their newer and more powerful subs...
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I find all of this amp chat interesting. Having had a LG FP10000Q (@ $5K+) to drive the 215RT's and now use the lowly regarded Inuke to do the same job, I am mystified by all of the amp switching that goes on here (wasn't the KC amp test proof enough?). Now if you have a 10,000+CF HT space and like to listen at reference + levels then maybe I could understand but in a normal HT space, at normal volumes it just isn't necessary to have that much power (the LG was overkill).

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IMHO (see my sig) those who hear sound differences in amps are reading between the lines and simply have an upgrade itch that needs scratching.
I am sure you are correct. I did see that you had been looking at the Marashino's but didn't realize you have the inukes. Which one(s) do you use? I am looking to get fewer d/a conversions in my system which is why I have been thinking of switching out the inukes.
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I don't think your reading it wrong, I think it was just claimed incorrectly. Let's see the data-bass numbers on the PSA. Do they have any, if so I missed them. I didn't see anything on data bass from PSA that made it to 121dB at any freq. ???
Could it be a difference in distances that were measures? Maybe the v3600 was at 1m?
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